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Clicks and Pops: HELP!
Last post Thu, Oct 12 2006 by Fontenette, 13 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Oct 08 2006 02:29
by Fontenette
Joined on Wed, May 31 2006, Omni Present, Posts 59
I do not have any slaves, I am on a single G5 2.0 Ghz Dual Processor Mac. I am using Core Audio, running an Apogee Rosetta 200 with an X-Series Expansion Card (Fire Wire). The VI's are loaded onto 4 SATA hard drives connected to a Tempo-X eSATA 8 PCI card. I had no problems running everything with Pro Tools hardware (192 I/O) and DAE with Direct TDM enabled; now however, after adding an expansion chassis (digidesign expansion/HD) and the Rosetta 200, I am getting some serious clicks and pops every time I play the VI's.

I have already tried increasing the buffer size with no success. I've read other posts about the same thing (clicks and pops) but they involved G5's as slaves; I have a single machine, and I must resolve this fast.

Any ideas?
Logic Pro 7.2.3
Mac Pro 3.3 Quad-Core Processor, 12GB RAM
Mac Pro 3.0 Dual-Core, 8GB RAM
Posted on Sun, Oct 08 2006 11:54
by mushanga
Joined on Sun, Sep 17 2006, Posts 188
Hi...sorry to hear that you're having this problem. As you've probably read in the other post, it was a nightmare for me. I tried absolutely everything I could to stop the crackles and pops, and it came to the point where I decided to completely wipe out my internal HD and run a system restore. So basically I started all over again...and now it's working- no crackles or pops. That's all I can suggest to you because it worked for me.

By the way...what do you mean by 'slave'?

Hope I've been of some help,

Good luck,

Matt
Posted on Sun, Oct 08 2006 13:43
by Fontenette
Joined on Wed, May 31 2006, Omni Present, Posts 59
What's going on? I just posted a reply and it did not come up. Anyway, thanks for responding Matt.

When I say slave, I mean synchronize machines or computers using software (Logic, Pro Tools, Digital Performer, . . .) You must define a set of parameters within these software applications to accomplish this. It is usually done via MIDI, USB, Ethernet, . . .

Sorry to hear you had to go to such extremes. I do not think I'll have to do that. While desperately tweaking and fiddling, I found out a few things.

1. I can use digidesign hardware (192 I/O) without enabling DAE or Direct TDM in
Logic's Audio Preferences. It works just fine with Core Audio enabled; there
are no discernable clicks and pops. This is a workaround for PT users with
digi's expansion|HD chassis; because ESB is not supported.

2. When using Apogee's Rosetta 200 with the firewire card, and Core Audio, all I
get are clicks and pops when using the VI's. However, when I bounced the
track with the offending sounds, there were no clicks and pops in them upon
playback.

3. This is either a firewire problem, or my setup is jacked up. I'll do a little more
testing to find out.

I would love to use the Rosetta on the front end of Logic, but so far, I can't because of the clicks n pops when using the VI's. I am still open for suggestions.

Peace,
GF
Logic Pro 7.2.3
Mac Pro 3.3 Quad-Core Processor, 12GB RAM
Mac Pro 3.0 Dual-Core, 8GB RAM
Posted on Sun, Oct 08 2006 14:44
by Sapkiller
Joined on Tue, Nov 05 2002, Copenhagen - Denmark, Posts 395
I don't know if this problem applies to Logic and Mac - but in Sonar you get
clicks&pops whenever the VI is opened - as soon as you close (not mimimize - but close) the VI window, the problem disappers.

maybe you should try this before reinstalling...
Best regards
Bjarne

"Keep your head cool and your heart warm"
Posted on Sun, Oct 08 2006 17:05
by Fontenette
Joined on Wed, May 31 2006, Omni Present, Posts 59
Sapkiller,

That was tried and still the same problem. Only when VI's are playing.
Logic Pro 7.2.3
Mac Pro 3.3 Quad-Core Processor, 12GB RAM
Mac Pro 3.0 Dual-Core, 8GB RAM
Posted on Sun, Oct 08 2006 17:56
by Sapkiller
Joined on Tue, Nov 05 2002, Copenhagen - Denmark, Posts 395
ok - I'm not into Logic and Mac so I'm afraid I can't be of much assistance.
I suppose you allready have defragged the HD's?
Best regards
Bjarne

"Keep your head cool and your heart warm"
Posted on Mon, Oct 09 2006 02:04
by Fontenette
Joined on Wed, May 31 2006, Omni Present, Posts 59
I just got the HD's. They were formatted a couple of weeks ago.
Logic Pro 7.2.3
Mac Pro 3.3 Quad-Core Processor, 12GB RAM
Mac Pro 3.0 Dual-Core, 8GB RAM
Posted on Tue, Oct 10 2006 22:27
by dfhage
Joined on Thu, Nov 07 2002, London, UK, Posts 100
Dear GF,

I had similar issue with a Rosetta 800 and Firewire, I have since replaced Firewire card with a RME 9652 and use ADAT interface to Rosetta 800. My dual G5 is click free Smile

Hope this helps

Regards

Dave Hage
Posted on Wed, Oct 11 2006 05:53
by Fontenette
Joined on Wed, May 31 2006, Omni Present, Posts 59
Wow! Thanks Maya and dfhage. I was beginning to think of myself as a complete idiot for not finding a way to make it work. Now I can save face with, well, . . .myself.

I appreciate the info.
Peace,
GF
Logic Pro 7.2.3
Mac Pro 3.3 Quad-Core Processor, 12GB RAM
Mac Pro 3.0 Dual-Core, 8GB RAM
Posted on Wed, Oct 11 2006 10:37
by Maya
Joined on Tue, Nov 25 2003, Vienna/Europe, Posts 841
Oooh, I caused some confusion now because I assumed you´re talking of Apple Rosetta. Sorry! Now I realized that you´re talking of your Hardware Interface.

We do not have a possibilty to test this interface here (Apogee Rosetta) but I don´t see a reason why it should not work with Vienna Instruments (since no additional drivers need to be installed for it, right?)

As far as as I know the order of PCI cards in the right slots is quite important and might cause some trouble if wrong. I will try to get some more information on this.

Best,

M a y a
/Maya - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Oct 11 2006 10:45
by dfhage
Joined on Thu, Nov 07 2002, London, UK, Posts 100
Hi Maya,

All I was saying was that the Firewire connection seemed very prone to pops and crackles generally not just with VI on my G5. It is much much better using a RME PCI card into the Rosetta 800. Unfortunately I do not have a shiny new Mac Pro to play with - yet!

Regards

Dave Hage
Posted on Wed, Oct 11 2006 13:24
by Maya
Joined on Tue, Nov 25 2003, Vienna/Europe, Posts 841
Okay.
Thx for the information.

M a y a
/Maya - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Oct 12 2006 17:46
by Fontenette
Joined on Wed, May 31 2006, Omni Present, Posts 59
Great! Confused
Logic Pro 7.2.3
Mac Pro 3.3 Quad-Core Processor, 12GB RAM
Mac Pro 3.0 Dual-Core, 8GB RAM
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