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Is the Performance Set Obsolete?
Last post Sat, Nov 11 2006 by dpcon, 7 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Nov 09 2006 15:11
by Michael C.
Joined on Thu, Jun 26 2003, Minneapolis, MN, USA, Posts 466
Some of you may have seen my other posts asking questions about VIs vs. the Pro Edition Performance Set. I have decided to ask another more general question to help me, and perhaps others, to make a decision about which to buy.

Given some drawbacks about using the VIs without upgrading to new computers and software, I am wondering if the Performance Set is still a good alternative or whether the sound quality of the 24-bit samples in the VIs has made the Perf Set obsolete.

Opinions?

Thanks,
Mike
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Windows 10 Pro.
Cubase Pro 9.5
Intel core i7-8700 8th Gen Coffee Lake 6-core w/HT 3.7 GHz.
5 Samsung SSD drives, (1 TB, 4-2TB).
64GB DDR4 3200 RAM.
ARC 1883LP 12GB/s SAS 4+4 RAID controller.
16USB ports.
Intel Thunderbolt 3.0 ports.
Presonus Quantum audio interface.
Hornberger HB1 breath controller.
Billions of Vienna Instrument samples!
Posted on Thu, Nov 09 2006 16:39
by dpcon
Joined on Sat, Oct 12 2002, Los Angeles, Posts 1646
Perhaps you should investigate the upgrade path from the performance set to VI as it may just end up being the same basic cost to get it first than go to VI at some point.

Fact is that VI is 10 x's easier to use not harder and indeed maximizes your investment. Anyone who now uses VI is not looking back on the older editions because it's better in every way. Yes it sounds better, is more musical, more expressive, more complete, more everything.

If for example you don't have the apassionata strings that might be a good purchase when it comes out. Or the winds as you mentioned before. A single package (even a small one like harp) will clue you into the merits of VI. Remember VI uses less ram so that's a plus as well when comparing it to Pro Ed.

All of us are faced with buying new computers etc., when trying to make use of this new technology but that is unavoidable with the musical goals many of us have.
Dave Connor
Posted on Thu, Nov 09 2006 19:58
by Martin Bayless
Joined on Sat, Oct 25 2003, New York, USA, Posts 266
hi dave - i (again) agree with what you said here. i think it bears clarity though that even as the v.i. are certainly more musical than the pro edition out of the box, direct access at the sample level in the pro edition leaves a potential for musicality that exceeds the musicianship and experience of the programmer that is locked into the vienna instruments.

it seems likely that we both decided to, upgrade in your case, and not in mine, for similar reasons of musicality. this certainly doesn't suggest that those using one version or the other are any more or less musical than a pianist using a steinway or bosendorfer. the bos has a few more notes and the v.i. a few more samples, but i've yet to hear anyone set the bar any higher than andy blaney did with that pro edition debussey.
Posted on Thu, Nov 09 2006 20:15
by dpcon
Joined on Sat, Oct 12 2002, Los Angeles, Posts 1646
Good points Martin. Very true about Andy Blaney's work as well. I should have qualified my remarks that for people like me who are not editing samples or good at making things lke perf-repititions work, VI is much easier to use. Also more musical in the sense that there are more articulations and features at your fingertips allowing for more musicality in that way. Repititions are automatic with even regular staccato patches so you automatically avoid machine gun effect to a greater degree even with the tool in PE which once again is more musical out of the box so to speak.

However your point that people can do things in a highly musical way with the PE is very true so I gladly amend my remarks to read that VI is more musical out of the box.
Dave Connor
Posted on Fri, Nov 10 2006 17:23
by fcw
Joined on Wed, May 11 2005, UK, Posts 153
dpcon wrote:
However your point that people can do things in a highly musical way with the PE is very true so I gladly amend my remarks to read that VI is more musical out of the box.


But are you implying that VI permanently removes options that were possible with previous editions, simply because it no longer exposes the individual samples?

If so, are those possibilities ones that will be missed by more experienced (or unconventional) users?
Posted on Fri, Nov 10 2006 18:21
by Michael C.
Joined on Thu, Jun 26 2003, Minneapolis, MN, USA, Posts 466
fcw wrote:
dpcon wrote:
However your point that people can do things in a highly musical way with the PE is very true so I gladly amend my remarks to read that VI is more musical out of the box.


But are you implying that VI permanently removes options that were possible with previous editions, simply because it no longer exposes the individual samples?

If so, are those possibilities ones that will be missed by more experienced (or unconventional) users?


EXCELLENT point! I am both an experienced user and a rather unconventional user as I do mostly non-commercial contemporary "classical" composition. I'd like to here what VI users have to say about that as well.

Mike
————————————————
Windows 10 Pro.
Cubase Pro 9.5
Intel core i7-8700 8th Gen Coffee Lake 6-core w/HT 3.7 GHz.
5 Samsung SSD drives, (1 TB, 4-2TB).
64GB DDR4 3200 RAM.
ARC 1883LP 12GB/s SAS 4+4 RAID controller.
16USB ports.
Intel Thunderbolt 3.0 ports.
Presonus Quantum audio interface.
Hornberger HB1 breath controller.
Billions of Vienna Instrument samples!
Posted on Sat, Nov 11 2006 01:40
by dpcon
Joined on Sat, Oct 12 2002, Los Angeles, Posts 1646
fcw wrote:
But are you implying that VI permanently removes options that were possible with previous editions, simply because it no longer exposes the individual samples?


The option of real editing of samples that you find in Gigastudio are in fact not an option in VI. However there are editing features that do allow for a certain level of advantageous editing or scuplting of the sample. Not hardcore editing in the scientific sense.

The expressive features in VI which are many outstrip GS considerably. This combined with many new articulations fullfills what many conventional instrument composers are looking for and simply not available in GS. Your needs may be different so maybe you can't do without true editing as I cannot do without the numerous new articulations in VI.

Researching the issue as you are will no doubt lead to the proper decision.
Dave Connor
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