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Konzerthaus Organ - Bach - Toccata and Fugue
Last post Sat, Dec 09 2006 by Sangit, 14 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Dec 07 2006 19:30
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4620
Guy Bacos is really busy as a bee these days.
I just recieved his outstanding interpretation of Johann Sebatsian Bachs Toccata and Fugue.

http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=4963

thanks a lot Guy
Herb
Posted on Thu, Dec 07 2006 20:01
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9101
wow - one of my all-time favorites, here on the VSL website ... with VSL
thank you so much for this piece, guy
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Thu, Dec 07 2006 21:10
by JBacal
Joined on Sat, Mar 27 2004, Posts 1206
Very powerful! I'm was glad to hear the entire piece. Usually we only hear the opening strains of the toccata which has too many pop culture associations.

I know next nothing about organ technique. How does a performer decide which stops to use? Did Bach indicate them? Are there conventions? Or is it left totally up to the imagination of the performer?

Best,
Jay
Posted on Thu, Dec 07 2006 22:38
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 758
That's like totally awsome dude - Bach/Bacos/VSL rock man. Cool
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Posted on Thu, Dec 07 2006 23:17
by mathis
Joined on Sat, Feb 07 2004, Munich, Germany, Posts 1137
Man, I really enjoyed listening to that. The playing is great, the registers are very tastefully chosen, the organ sounds really really great. I have strong plans to buy it.

But where is the fugue?
Posted on Thu, Dec 07 2006 23:39
by jamriding
Joined on Thu, Mar 31 2005, U.K., Posts 259
It's there all right: approximately 2-2½ minutes into the piece (sorry, no stopwatch in here and I can't, for some reason, download it into iTunes).
Posted on Thu, Dec 07 2006 23:45
by mathis
Joined on Sat, Feb 07 2004, Munich, Germany, Posts 1137
You're right, of course. Somehow this one sounded so fragmented to me in the halluzinatic mode I'm currently in that I put it to the Toccata.
Posted on Fri, Dec 08 2006 05:42
by Martin Bayless
Joined on Sat, Oct 25 2003, New York, USA, Posts 266
JBacal wrote:
I know next nothing about organ technique. How does a performer decide which stops to use? Did Bach indicate them? Are there conventions? Or is it left totally up to the imagination of the performer?


bach tended to indicate registrations inconsistently, usually when customary performance practice differed from what he had in mind (there are no registration markings in this piece however). the french have historically been more specific, especially moving into the 19th century, but generally performers are conceptually taught how to combine stops and are left free to choose them at their discretion.
Posted on Fri, Dec 08 2006 06:05
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1986
Before attacking this work I listened to as many versions as I could, none used the same stops, some would be completely different sort of like using brass instead of woodwinds for some sections, the only agreement I found was for the opening 2 or 3 measures. So Jay, since you asked I used my own judgement and experimented with sonorities I liked, I was also inspired by some of my favorite versions, I found it was very similar to orchestrating. As far as my own experience with the organ I do play the organ but I'm no real organist, but I had at least a sense of the ped articulation.
Posted on Fri, Dec 08 2006 06:12
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
Seat belt music. Really great.
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Posted on Fri, Dec 08 2006 13:00
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7451
Guy - as I wrote you in my private mail already, I'm floored by your performance. That's what everybody has in mind when we think "concert organ". In addition to that I'm a bit proud about the fact that the instrument itself sounds great too. Thanks for your effort!

Just a small addition for all the people who didn't have the chance yet to play the Konzerthaus Organ themselves: although the instrument samples contain all the rich and deep room information of the Vienna Konzerthaus' Great Hall, they take additional reverb very well, like the cathedral Guy used for the Toccata.
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Dec 08 2006 13:50
by mathis
Joined on Sat, Feb 07 2004, Munich, Germany, Posts 1137
Is the organ sampled with several velocity layers? In the middle there's a section with a decrescendo and I assume it was intended by air pressure pedal but it sounded irritatingly like a fade-out...
Posted on Fri, Dec 08 2006 16:31
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1986
mathis wrote:
Is the organ sampled with several velocity layers? In the middle there's a section with a decrescendo and I assume it was intended by air pressure pedal but it sounded irritatingly like a fade-out...


Mathis,

No swell effects was used if your talking about the section at 4:13 that is a fragment repeated on different manuals, and it was a fade out effect I wanted there as you noticed. Just before the fugue begins you could say the organist made specific changes in the stops setting to have that section ready to play.
Posted on Sat, Dec 09 2006 06:02
by Sangit
Joined on Tue, Mar 14 2006, Heilbronn, Germany, Posts 146
holy shit.
this thing sounds great
- Sangit
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