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Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 12:01
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196
Hi there,

I'm about to switch from GS3 to GVI, as I think/hope/madly wish that it will work better as a VST in Nuendo than through Rewire. A few questions arise though, and I was hoping if anyone had some experience on this already, and could share some thoughts?

Here goes:

1. Should I uninstall GS3 prior to installing GVI, or doesn't it matter?
2. Does the GVI also have an editor like GS3? If not, can you also create your own gig files with it, or is just a "player"?
3. If GVI has no Gigastudio Editor, can I keep/use the one from GS3?
4. I've created a lot of (important) setups for a project I'm currently working on. Can they open in GVI without a problem?

I know, that's a bunch of questions.
So already a big thanks in advance!

Cheers,

Alex
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 12:23
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9062
just a comment: if you want to run nuendo and GVI on the same machine you should be aware the need of a lot of virtual midi-cables to include the performance tool into your setup, because the performance tool is not a VST plugin.

i'd also like to point you to www.learngigastudio.com - they have a series of video tutorials and a lot of manual stuff on their site for registered members.
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 12:40
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 757
I can answer one question.

GVI does not have an editor so you can't for instance stretch the sample range in GVI. So you will still need GS3 to edit the samples.

Bit of a bummer that - it may be they will reintroduce more sample edit features in future versions of GVI.
David Carter (DaveTubaKing) http://www.davetubaking.com

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Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 14:52
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196
cm wrote:
just a comment: if you want to run nuendo and GVI on the same machine you should be aware the need of a lot of virtual midi-cables to include the performance tool into your setup, because the performance tool is not a VST plugin.

Thanks you very much for this advice Christian! This problem however I was already aware of, that's why I'm switching to VI first. I just received the Orch. Strings I,II & the AP Strings, and I'm incredibly impressed by the difference in...well... everything! I became a VI-addict overnight-Smile
So I'm keeping GVI only to run my other libraries.

Cheers,

Alex
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 14:55
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196
DaveTubaKing wrote:
I can answer one question.

GVI does not have an editor so you can't for instance stretch the sample range in GVI. So you will still need GS3 to edit the samples.

Bit of a bummer that - it may be they will reintroduce more sample edit features in future versions of GVI.


Hi Dave, thanks for the clarification! I do some stretching and other minor tweaking myself from time to time, so... is it possible to keep GS3 and GVI
running on 1 PC? A pity indeed that such a simple edit such as changing the sample range is no longer included...

Kind regards,

Alex
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 18:07
by dpcon
Joined on Sat, Oct 12 2002, Los Angeles, Posts 1646
Keep in mind that GS3 needs the Memory Configuration set to one of the presets to work properly (or does it work in standard Windows setting for non intensive use?) GVI runs like any other VST so no need for any memory tweaking like that.
Dave Connor
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 19:10
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9062
can only tell this with GS 2.5 for sure, but why should it have changed with GS3 ... the editor can be installed seperately and does not require any memory tweaks.
GS3 can also run without the tweaks, you just might not be able to load as much as you are used to ...
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 20:21
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 757
Alex O wrote:
DaveTubaKing wrote:
I can answer one question.

GVI does not have an editor so you can't for instance stretch the sample range in GVI. So you will still need GS3 to edit the samples.

Bit of a bummer that - it may be they will reintroduce more sample edit features in future versions of GVI.


Hi Dave, thanks for the clarification! I do some stretching and other minor tweaking myself from time to time, so... is it possible to keep GS3 and GVI
running on 1 PC? A pity indeed that such a simple edit such as changing the sample range is no longer included...

Kind regards,

Alex


Well I expect you can of course have both on the same machine - the main reason I sidegraded to GVI was because of the PCstability problems with GS3 on a single home PC so I use GVI instead of GS3 - I'm not a power user though and the only edit I miss in GS3 is the sample stretch.

One piece of advice about GS3 you see all the time is that it runs best on it's own dedicated PC.

Perhaps others will jump in who have any experience of running both on the same machine.
David Carter (DaveTubaKing) http://www.davetubaking.com

W10 Pro (64bit), Z390 Aorus Pro wifi MB, Intel i7-8700K s.7 GHz, Corsair 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 3000MHz, Samsung 970 EVO M.2, 2 x OCZ Agility 3 480GB SSDs, Sibelius 8.4.1, Symphonic cube, VEPro6, MIRPro, Focustite Scarlett Solo, Nvidia GeForce GT 710 2GB GDDR5
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 20:24
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 757
??? - why has my online identity changed and why have I regressed to a junior member - there's something strange going on here

cue eerie space music.

The truth is out there Confused
David Carter (DaveTubaKing) http://www.davetubaking.com

W10 Pro (64bit), Z390 Aorus Pro wifi MB, Intel i7-8700K s.7 GHz, Corsair 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 3000MHz, Samsung 970 EVO M.2, 2 x OCZ Agility 3 480GB SSDs, Sibelius 8.4.1, Symphonic cube, VEPro6, MIRPro, Focustite Scarlett Solo, Nvidia GeForce GT 710 2GB GDDR5
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 20:27
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 757
Confused: Confused: This gets weirder and weirder [Indifferent]

I have two identities.

Is that a special offer because of the amount of money I've invested in VSL?

I need to spend some time comuning with my other self Confused
David Carter (DaveTubaKing) http://www.davetubaking.com

W10 Pro (64bit), Z390 Aorus Pro wifi MB, Intel i7-8700K s.7 GHz, Corsair 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 3000MHz, Samsung 970 EVO M.2, 2 x OCZ Agility 3 480GB SSDs, Sibelius 8.4.1, Symphonic cube, VEPro6, MIRPro, Focustite Scarlett Solo, Nvidia GeForce GT 710 2GB GDDR5
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 20:38
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9062
dave, you have definately 2 accounts for the forum (2 nicknames and 2 different email addresses provided) - if you want i can merge them, just tell me which one you prefer to keep ...
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 22:16
by DaveTubaKing
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, London, Posts 757
cm wrote:
dave, you have definately 2 accounts for the forum (2 nicknames and 2 different email addresses provided) - if you want i can merge them, just tell me which one you prefer to keep ...
christian


After much difficult negotiations with my other self we've decided we'd like to be merged into one as DaveTubaKing and so cure this paranoid schizophrenia.

Thanks cm we we're both getting a little worried Big Smile

It had something to do with trying to login on my new super computer.
David Carter (DaveTubaKing) http://www.davetubaking.com

W10 Pro (64bit), Z390 Aorus Pro wifi MB, Intel i7-8700K s.7 GHz, Corsair 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 3000MHz, Samsung 970 EVO M.2, 2 x OCZ Agility 3 480GB SSDs, Sibelius 8.4.1, Symphonic cube, VEPro6, MIRPro, Focustite Scarlett Solo, Nvidia GeForce GT 710 2GB GDDR5
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 23:11
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196
dpcon wrote:
Keep in mind that GS3 needs the Memory Configuration set to one of the presets to work properly (or does it work in standard Windows setting for non intensive use?) GVI runs like any other VST so no need for any memory tweaking like that.


Thanks dpcon. GS3 doés work without the tweak, but you can load very little.
Memory Config is something I won't éver touch again, since my raid5 configuration wasn't too happy with it (read: flatliner>reinstall). A friend of mine did some more delicate tweaking, whereafter I was able to load about 45 % of GS3 memory, which is already great!

Memory tweaking is not the issue here. I want to switch from GS3 to GVI because it's more more simple, no more rewire, no more real time exports, everything stable in my trusty Nuendo.. It should definitely be more stable, and there won't be any more "battle for resources" again between Nuendo & GS3, something that costs me at least 15 minutes a day just to start up! But apart from that, I can work quite well with Nuendo & GS3 most of the time. I'm not really in dire straits, rather I want to see if I can make life even easier-Smile

thanks!

Alex
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 23:22
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196
Quote:

Well I expect you can of course have both on the same machine - the main reason I sidegraded to GVI was because of the PCstability problems with GS3 on a single home PC so I use GVI instead of GS3 - I'm not a power user though and the only edit I miss in GS3 is the sample stretch.
Perhaps others will jump in who have any experience of running both on the same machine.


Thanks Dave,
Yes, the sample stretch will be one of the few things that I'd miss too. That, and creating your own instruments.
As for running both on the same machine, I'm really curious about that!
Of course, I can try it out when GVI arrives. But I figured to gather some advice first if possible, to avoid Big Trouble (and I remember I've had some serious conflicts with Giga before).

Thanks for all the help!

Alex
Posted on Tue, Feb 27 2007 23:23
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196
Alex O wrote:

Well I expect you can of course have both.


Hmm, looks like I'm doing something wrong with the "quote-thing"....
Confused
Posted on Thu, Mar 01 2007 03:42
by alanb
Joined on Sat, Feb 04 2006, Posts 68
Alex O wrote:
1. Should I uninstall GS3 prior to installing GVI, or doesn't it matter?

No need to do that. In fact, it pays to have both handy, depending upon your immediate needs.

I even have a few pieces in which both GS3 and GVI are streaming samples simultaneously!!

Alex O wrote:
2. Does the GVI also have an editor like GS3? If not, can you also create your own gig files with it, or is just a "player"?

While there is a "QuickEditor" in GVI, it is not as powerful as the one in GS3. Can you create .gig files in GVI? Hrmmm... not sure, I haven't tried...

Alex O wrote:
3. If GVI has no Gigastudio Editor, can I keep/use the one from GS3?

Of course!!

Alex O wrote:
4. I've created a lot of (important) setups for a project I'm currently working on. Can they open in GVI without a problem?

You cannot open .gsp files, but you can open .gsi files.

One critical difference between GVI and GS3 that is also relevant to this last question:

GVI will allow you to use GigaPulse information that has been "pre-programmed" into sample instruments... two examples of this are SampleTekk's piano libraries, and Larry Seyer's acoustic drum library. You cannot, however, apply GigaPulse to other sounds or libraries (although you can now download a GVI update from TASCAM that contains the 'classic' Nemesys NFX reverb).

If you want a more realistic "convolution" reverb to be applied to instruments that don't have it pre-encoded, then you must either use GS3 (which comes with "GigaPulse Pro")... or use GVI in conjunction with TASCAM's "GigaPulse VST," or some other convolution reverb, which you can apply to any track or sound in your sequencer/DAW app.

------------------------

I second the recommendation that you check out the learngigastudio.com site -- both for the forum and the "how to" GS3/GVI videos, starring Larry Seyer and Dave Govett.
-- alanb
Posted on Thu, Mar 01 2007 09:42
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196
Dear Alan,

Thank you very much for your very clear and valuable information!
It's great to learn that GS3 and Giga Editor can remain on board with GVI, and even run simultaneously.

I had read something somewhere where someone had big crashes having both on the same pc, and had to uninstall GS3. But now that I hear a more positive story from you, I'll definitely give it a shot!

Not having gigapulse in GVI is not really a problem for me, I mainly use VST impulse reverbs like Altiverb and SIR.

And also big thanks for the learngiga-link, I didn't know about it, so I'll have a look right away.

Cheers,

Alex
Posted on Sun, Mar 11 2007 21:27
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196
Hi Tanuj,

I'm just in the middle of comparing GS3 andGVI in combinanation with VI myself as we speak, so I hope I can help you a bit:

first: yes, GVI can operate in standalone modus.

second: is it better? Well, that depends. It starts much faster than my GS3 in Rewire, that's for sure. And appears more stabile, since it'shosted within my DAW as a VST now. Opening and closing GS3 in rewire often caused serious CPU-peaks that sometimes lasted several minutes. That is a thing of the past now. Also, your maximum of loading instruments now depends on your VST-host, so that can be good.

But on the other hand, in order to load as many sounds as I had in a GS3 project I was just working on, I had to open 8 GVI instances. In GS3 these sounds were all loaded spread over the 8 ports.
8 GVI's means a serious CPU increase, the meter exceeding 50%, while in GS3 the same soundbank left the CPU at a steady 15%.

So, at least for me, at this early stage, the conclusion is: for using GVI as a sidekick, in order to load just some extra sounds (like "Overdrive", or other libraries) while having the main orchestra running with VI: it's great.

But if you still have a lot of Vienna sounds that you want to run on GVI,
I'm not sure if it's better.

Just a little (good) thing that I noticed: it's perfectly possible to run GS3 and GVI together, and you can even drag&drop sounds from GS3 across to the GVI's window. Handy if you want to switch sounds from older GS3 project files, which are otherwise buried into deep forests of foldertrees-Smile

Last: I don't know how to run GVI with the performance tool, it appears quite complicated, and I don't like complicated setups. I switched to GVI to get rid of the rewire mode, and upgraded to the Cube. But I'm sure other people can chime in on how to operate this..

Good luck!

Alex
Posted on Mon, Mar 12 2007 16:35
by Alex O
Joined on Mon, Jul 18 2005, Belgium, Posts 196
hi Tanuj,

One more thing: I've rana short comparative test between the GVI and GS3.
Loaded the same sounds, first in GS3 (rewire Nuendo), then with GVI (as vst-plugin in Nuendo)

Results:

GS3: CPU: 17% / PF: 1.41
GVI: CPU: 55% / PF: 1,54

Cheers,

Alex
Posted on Mon, Mar 12 2007 22:39
by alanb
Joined on Sat, Feb 04 2006, Posts 68
From the Release Notes to GVI update v3.53:

Quote:
Using GVI and the VSL Performance Tool

1. Download the Maple MIDI Router – Free from http://www.marblesound.com

2. Open GVI as a plug-in in your host DAW

3. Set the Performance Tool input to “physical in” and output to Maple MIDI router

4. Set the DAW track's input to the Maple virtual MIDI cable and its output to GVI

[...]


I also recall seeing somewhere (here?) (a different forum?) that there was a different or revised method for using the Performance Tool in GVI.

I haven't tried it myself, yet, so I can't speak from personal experience yet...

.
-- alanb
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