Originally Posted by: figueira

Wagner Tubas, please!

Wagner Tubas would be nice, also childrens choir or regular choir especially with word builder (but ofc this could be too work intensiv to integrate into synchron player)

I'd be very grateful if VSL could clear this matter up : )

If they're not delayed out of the box then -

What are the correct delay times per microphone(s) set for the Synchron Strings (and other Synchron Player wet libraries). Especially for percussion instruments also of course

+1 

exactly only one works plus frequent shutdowns of the DAW (while VEPro stays active)

Could also be the reason why I can't properly (e.g. including all tracks) mixdown offline

Anyone here or the developers can help me out?

-13 - Does anyone know a good way to simulate Spiccato in Synchron Player for Synchron Strings I?

-14 - Does the Hybrid & the Convolution Reverb of Vienna Suite (Standard) support suspend processing? Wether on .vst3 or .au. (Suspend processing means as far as I know not taxing the procesing power of the DAW if there is no signal running through them)

Thanks again : )

Hello!

Thanks in advance for any help! : )
It would be also great if anyone from the VSL-Team could chime in

Right now Im building a new template from scratch and would like to optimize resources

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- 1 - Is there any way to globally (for all VIPRO instances) disable cells? .. in order to take load off the RAM/CPU/Drives

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- 2 - In order to make timing humanization to work properly is it correct that the user only has to raise the delay fader above value 1 in the perform area or is there another factor which has to be above value 1 (or be turned on)? 

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- 3 - Does the Power-Pan function in VIPRO offer the same pan function (except for example left/right inverse) as the dedicated Vienna Suite Plugin?

- 4 - Does it make sense to use the built-in EQ in VIPRO for example for low-cuts instead of the dedicated Vienna Suite plugin? Is there a way to apply the same EQ settings for all matrices inside one VIPRO instance or to en/dis-able EQ for all matrices?

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- 5 - Does the new "Mic Delay" feature work exactly like inserting a delay plugin after the VIPRO instance?

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- 6 - Concerning mixing threads, buffer etc: What could be the best settings for running a lot of VIPRO (and Synchron Players) in the same project simultaniously? Almost all samples would be loaded from 2 different external SSDs while the DAW/project runs from a fusion/hybrid drive, quad-core i7 from 2012

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- 7 - Not really fitting here, I know but: In Synchron Player I have hit a strange problem: After I copy or duplicate a articulation slot/patch and try to edit (for example change Dim Controller) the copy/duplicate the original patch also changes - Is there any way to circumvent this?

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- 8 - Is it preferable at this point to use VIPro (and SyS-Player) as an .au or .vst? Meaning from a performance point of view

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- 9 - Is there any way to incorporate After Touch into VIPro?

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-10 - Could VSL provide Synchron Stage IRs for the Vienna Suite Hybrid Reverb? (For example near, middle distance and far) At this point I dont want to use MIR (and Synchron Stage Roompack) or MIRx for several reasons

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-11 - There is a strange problem with cut off notes or strange noise instead of full notes/samples in some perf-rep and regular patches in my several instruments (for example Solo Violin I full). I think the reason could be VIPro as it occurs also in other instruments than the Violin, maybe wrong settings. Is there an known issue or a way to prevent? Of course I will provide more detailed information about this issue on my system, if it is asked for.

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-12 - Can anyone offer further tipps or suggestions (for example for resource optimisation? : ) 

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Thanks again - Greatly appreciated

Additional: I mainly use Studio One 3.5 as a DAW, also Vienna Suite (Standard), VIPro2 latest

Thank you!

I am only able to switch via Dimensions via CC (instead of PG).

Which means in VIPro I would be limited to just 12 cells, am I correct?

That bothers me because I wanted to setup all my VIPro Instances and Synchron Player the same way concercing switching (Program Change). 

for example PG20 being Legato Regular for every instrument wether VIPRO or SP

That way I would be able to move midi events from every instrument to another and be free of keyswitching

Thanks everyone

EDIT: I really cant get Synchron Player to learn that for example Dim.Ctrl.F should be controlled by Program Change

Hello,

what are your prefered ways to switch articulations right now?

Im still trying to found out if there is a option or workaround to switch through articulations via programm changes (PG) or at least CC

Right now I switch my VIPRO-Tracks with program changes inside the midi events.
In order to copy events from a VIPRO-based track to a SynchronPlayer-based I would need to able to be able to switch via PG and also match the same values.

- I am not able to have the switch learn program change - 

Im trying to avoid using keyswitches all together in the future

Thanks for your help

Okay, even though this is a discussion on "how to improve" and I did refrain to voice my opinion because of some really hostility here (and on the "other forum") but here it is:

First of all I have the hope that the all the discussion and even the anger towards other members is simply due to the fact that everyone just wants the best and get the most out of the product which seemed to be so great. (I still get excited by the marketing text and promises that were made by VSL, well somehow...)
There is a lot of passion involved.

I did pre-order SyS. I still somehow trust VSL as I love their products (even some parts of Sys Strings I ) and was always very happy with their support.
Even tough I could be bashed for also saying it: I am dissappointed by Synchron Strings I but I still have high hopes (maybe because I have to and dont want to move on by selling it and going with another company. Also I am not sure anyone would buy it except for 50% off as the reputation of the product and VSL as a whole seems by reading this forum and "the other forum" to have suffered a lot. Thats just an observation)

Back to improvement:

Yes, I used Sys a lot, i mean Really a lot, even in "real" projects, both with VIP and Synchron Player. Yes, one gets better results with spending time on working with them... still there are a lot flaws and there is a lot of effort needed from the user (which is okay, but a lot of times it feels like fixing not polishing)

It is really hard to suggest what could be improved, especially with VSL not participating in discussing the topic and not knowing what Can be improved/they are willing to do. (It would suck to spend even more money for a second edition, and no - for now i wont buy SyS Chamber) - So lets mix suggestions with wishlist:

- If the legato samples cant be improved / more added, I hope that some additional programming/scripting can help the functionality of the legato. Right now - no matter what anyone here has tried - the legato is subtle. Most of us hoped for more options especially at this price point. Maybe adding a time stretched folder could also help?

- I sometimes hear strange background noise in some samples. Maybe the samples could be reworked?

- The violins are indeed very piercing if not handled correct (which means corrected). Using the built-in mic eq or the Vienna Suite did help, but still it is strange that the whole ensemble somehow doesnt seem to be that well balanced as it seemed. 

- Yes, the sound and behaviour is not very expressive and lively, but it seems like this is on purpose and this kind of sound Has its purpose. Layering and lots of CC riding did help when I wanted more emotive string sound.

- Yes, the shorts are great - We all hear that. The Sfz is okay, but I still dont get my head around about that whole stacked approach.

- Synchron Player is a ongoing process of development, I get it. Still: Please integrate more features that VIP already had, humanization being one thing.

- I dont like that we dont get real statements from VSL which means not knowing where we are heading at or what their views are. Especially after the debacle of communication the post-poned proper release was. 

I am still trying to improve my workflow and approach with using Synchron Strings I as I still need to put in a lot of effort into working with them for even making them sound allright.

There are a lot of of positive things about this library, but a lot of bad things - Every library has its flaws, we get it.

VSL set the bar really high with their previous products, legacy and with their marketing. 

I know I am there are a lot of things that were already said, but lets hope for the best : )))

Originally Posted by: Fabio Biolcati

Originally Posted by: Arsenal

Strangely it does indeed work with Reaper, but not S1/Notion

I tried both variants, "Send to Studio One" and simply midi importing, with Studio One (3.5.6.46910 OSX) and Notion (6.4.462 OSX)

Tech Support says "manually drag that MIDI file into Studio One". Same as I do in Reaper. Guess this why it works – I'm not a S1 user…

Hope it helps. Cheers.

No, does not work in Studio One. Yes in Reaper

Too bad, but thank you anyway : )

Originally Posted by: Tensivity

Originally Posted by: Arsenal

Strangely it does indeed work with Reaper, but not S1/Notion

I tried both variants, "Send to Studio One" and simply midi importing, with Studio One (3.5.6.46910 OSX) and Notion (6.4.462 OSX)

Can anyone provide any further insight or ideas?

Thank you

I responded to the tech support reply.  Still waiting...

Will update if I hear back.

Thank you very much : )

Thought about there could be some sort of automated midi filter working internally, like "filter programm CC, everything under c1", but I could not find any information on this subject. I got the idea from knowing that filtering is possible with external midi devices.

Strangely it does indeed work with Reaper, but not S1/Notion

I tried both variants, "Send to Studio One" and simply midi importing, with Studio One (3.5.6.46910 OSX) and Notion (6.4.462 OSX)

Can anyone provide any further insight or ideas?

Thank you

Thank you Very much! :  )

Really appreciated

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Does anyone know if there is a way to also include the keyswitches during export? (e.g. for use/import of midi into a DAW)

Also when I try to use the Send to Studio One 3 (ScoreTransfer from Notion 6 to S1) the articulation switches/changes seem to be lost (Also checked the other CCs/changes)

Somehow I cant find the (simulated, great idea!) spiccatto in Notion. Could anyone be so kind and tell me where I can find it?

Thanks a lot

Originally Posted by: SJSF

Originally Posted by: Mobius

“Rage”? Really? Something’s definitely not right with your perspective if a product delay causes rage. Annoyance perhaps, but rage? Sorry, but your post reads as either extreme over-reaction or sarcasm.

CLEARLY, we all love VSL's fine work so much that we get extremely passionate about it. That must be it.

Speaking of being extremely passionate about VSL...

We just had our first child 2 weeks ago, a girl we named Vienna. Someone just asked me "you seriously didn't name your daughter after a sample library did you?" Of course I didn't.......  but this does at least say that I do mention VSL enough to elicit that question being asked.

Sorry for getting a bit off topic. I just thought I'd lighten the mood a bit. 

-Sean

Thanks, also for understanding the nature/origin of my post. Also congratulations, very much

It seems like some people (according to their reactions) misred my previous - admittetly a little bit exaggerated - post, as the intend and main concern was Not the incoming delay, but the news about Synchron Strings now beeing released in pieces. Especially what a previous poster said about a previously released product (Dimensions - last bits 2 years later) somehow fueled my post. I didnt know about that happening and hope that will not be the case (again). 

Originally Posted by: Paul

You got mail 

Thank you, very appreciated

In MirX there is the natural volume feature, which seems like a good starting point for realistic mixes.

Right now, as some others, I am not planning to buy MirX.

Would it be possible to get the correct volume levels for the VSL-products (from you guys or VSL themselves)?

(for example a list or screenshots of the instruments, e.g. Piccolo -20db)

Help and information greatly appreciated

Kind regards

Well, I have to articulate my extreme discontent and rage for the bad news!

I ordered in october and waited for the promised release in "november" in order to finish a current project Im working on. (As I am working on limited budget its not that easy just to say "then you should have bought other products before")

What upsets me the most is that not only:

1.) is the release now sheduled december, but

2.) as they never said on the product page or anywhere "will be released in pieces" (=UNFINISHED) 

Point 1 alone would be upsetting, but 2.) is the icing on the cake and is NOT acceptable!

There has never been a word on "will be released in pieces". Thats just customer taunting!!

I am Really pissed-off! sorry, but for these news a simple apology is not enough!

Maybe they will offer the pre-ordering-customers some kind of cheap discount for upcoming Synchron-Stage-releases - but that would also be a complete joke, as the customer shouldnt have spend even More money for getting a "we´re sorry"-bonus.

The next problem with these shitty news is that the new product has to excel and be of uber-quality otherwise people will be even more upset and VSL just even more embarrassed.

I just cant get my around the fact, that not only the release will be delayed, but that we are NOW told, that the product will Not be released as it was sold, but in parts/pieces. I am extremly enraged and frustated!

Originally Posted by: Beat Kaufmann

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Best

Beat

Thank you very much for your reply : ) Very fast also !

Feel free to share more info/advice/insight, or others to join in

Good evening everbody!

I am little torn between not one but multiple decisions. Hopefully some of you would be so kind to help me or give me some thought input. Id be really thankful : )

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Right now I own Vienna Suite, VI Pro, Epic Horns Full, SE Vol 1 (without Plus), some little bits of Percussions, Prepared Piano, Soprano Choir.

Also I already ordered and paid Synchron Strings I (Standard) and Solo Strings I (Standard). Which means Im still in the 30 Days return policy period (as I was told).

I am using VSL since December 2016, in conjunction with Reaper, Studio One (and maybe soon Notion), Tux Guitar, Guitar Pro 5 (sadly havent made the switch to a better program yet, planning on), UAD.

I use VSL for small pieces, but I also love to do orchestral mockups and compositions.

That means Im not that advanced with VSL ! ( but Im learning really fast; partly because my main job is live and studio audio engineering in Vienna Austria & having got a history of computer based music production, just not yet that much of classical/orchestral/film. )

I am semi-educated in orchestration, theory and composition. I use VSL mainly as a hobbyist, but of course I would love to also and in the near future work with it. I will be (albeit slowly) finishing a showreel for film, commercial and electronic production in the next few months.

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I laid aside around 400-600 Euros for further purchase(s) in order to complete a good well-rounded array of instruments and setup (and tools), and there beginns the headache/.. ahm pleasure

First I originally planned on upgrading Solo Strings I standard to full, which brings me to question 1.)

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1.) I am not that confident with my purchase of Solo Strings I (Standard). Combined with the full library it around 600 Euros that maybe could be better spend elsewhere / on an optional instrument(-group)? 

I really like the sound of the instruments, also compared Solo Violin I to Solo Violin II. The first one seemed to be much nearer to my liking, but I could live with changing to/using the Solo Violin II because of budget limitations!

What bothers me is that with the incoming Synchron Strings I I recon that the workflow of those and Solo Strings I with their much lesser amount of velocity layers could be too different? Or in other words: not ideal to be mixed workflow-wise?

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2.) The bigger topic: Reverb / Placement ..... Integration of Synchron Strings I with Silent Stage Instruments

Of course I did read about the possibility of using MIR Pro and the Synchron Stage Roompack, but this way doesnt seem to be flexible (only synchron stage) and mostly out of reach for my current budget. (MIR 24 should be 295 Euros, Synchron Stage Roompack 6 should be 210 Euros)

- Maybe someone knows if there is a Vienna Suite Convo/Hybrid Impulse or configuration that comes close to Synchron Stage? Could that be a realistic help to my concern? For the purpose of combining Sychron Strings I with for example SE Vol.1 Instruments roomsound-wise

Right now it seems that there are no plans for neither a MIRx nor a Vienna Suite Convo Impulse of Synchron Stage

- Could MIRx (eg Teldex for 79 Euros) a workable solution?

- Could using VSS (the demo version is fully functional, but without saving! - only used as a panner) be of help? In conjunction with Vienna Suite Hybrid-Reverb

Thanks for any and every additional input and ideas : )

Im not opposed to doing some work steps again every time a project is mixed, but of course Id like to focus my time on composing. Also and of course building a good template should be one of my next important steps.

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3.) Recommendations

As I already pointed out I am really torn between changing/returning and further completing a basic setup of instruments and tools. 

I am considering Fanfare Trumpets, Solo Strings I Full (or returning the standard), Solo Violin II, Synchron Percussion (just the tom or timpani section), (regular) Percussion section(s) Flugelhorn, Oboe D Amour, MIRx, MIR24, Appassionatas, Orchestral Strings, Brass, Woodwinds, Bösendorfer Imperial (as the more expensive Vienna seems to be out of reach money-wise, and also because Ive got only around 380 Gb of SSD split over 2 discs, plus an additional 1 TB hdd, 16 gb Ram)

- This month we have the Buy2-Get3-Instruments(-Section)-Deal on 

Every idea is welcome : ) 

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Also, I still got around 35 minutes of Audition Credit left

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Thank you very much, for your time, effort and input ! 

: )

Kind regards