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1.Articulation overview of Vienna Super Package 6/2/2014 10:55:51 PM

That's great, thanks for sharing it!

2.Question Concerning String patches in Orchestral Libraries 3/21/2014 4:39:09 PM

Hi nektarios, the Strings patches are mapped with basses at the bottom end and violins at the top end. In between these two extremes you get blended ensembles: basses & cellos play together in the low register, cellos & violas in the middle register, violas and violins in the higher register. All four instrument types thus play in their natural range. VSL have done the mapping and blending very nicely and transitions across the range are very smooth, making these patches very playable.

IMO the advantage is you can use a single Strings patch as a sketchpad and work out the orchestration later.

3.My wishes for Vienna Instruments 1/5/2014 6:38:28 PM
GallenWolf wrote:
is there a way to "make" an unpitched barking sample into something that has a tone?

Yes: book some singing lessons for the dog.

4.My wishes for Vienna Instruments 1/5/2014 4:53:32 PM
jasensmith wrote:
The plucked instruments seem kind of incomplete without a good nylon guitar sampled.

I believe VSL's Concert Guitar http://www.vsl.co.at/en/211/496/721/534/728/422.htm has nylon strings.

5.Soprano and Vienna Choir 12/14/2013 6:51:09 PM

Brilliant, Beat!

6.Soprano and Vienna Choir 12/13/2013 1:27:39 PM

Apparently some of the singers are the same, but they're essentially two different groups sampled a few years apart. IMO the old Soprano Choir has a fuller sound (which I prefer), but the sopranos in Vienna Choir perform more articulations.

Soprano Choir articulations www.vsl.co.at/en/211/496/720/722/764/492.htm

Vienna Choir articulations www.vsl.co.at/en/211/442/1766/1767/1769/1414.htm

7.Writing for 4 horns 11/22/2013 12:19:11 AM

Hi Phil, I don't know how this works in Sibelius, but if you're using the Vienna Instruments player you can easily switch between solo and ensemble horns on the fly using a simple matrix of two patches.

8.Assigning midi channels to a multi channel plugin in VEpro 5 11/22/2013 12:09:11 AM

ghuinink wrote:
"why is it possible to have multiple audio channel extensions when you use a multi timbral plugin in VE5 but why is it not possible to give them a dedicated MIDI channel, because only the main channel you can set to a port and channel nr."

I'm guessing that the multiple Play audio outputs you create inside VE Pro5 are there only for audio processing and mixing purposes, and that the MIDI assignments are done elsewhere. I think you should try the simple test I suggested earlier, it will only take a minute or two - load the three instruments into one instance of Play inside VE Pro5, assign the three instruments to MIDI channels 1, 2 & 3 repectively in Play's interface but leave the main channel assigned by VE set to Omni (it should then read 'All'). You then need to select the right MIDI channel for each instrument on your master keyboard. I just did this in VE Pro4 and it works.

9.Assigning midi channels to a multi channel plugin in VEpro 5 11/21/2013 5:27:58 PM

>You can not use the individual channels in Play you need to set it to Omni to get it working....

I don't have VE Pro5, but I can load multiple instruments into Play in VEPro 4 and assign them different audio outputs and different MIDI channels. Setting any of the instruments' MIDI channels to Omni means it will play all the other instruments' parts.

Maybe I've misunderstood the issue, but a simple test would be to load timpani, cymbal and gong into one instance of Play in VE Pro5, set them to MIDI channels 1, 2 and 3 respectively in the Play GUI (you know how to do that, right?) and then play them individually by selecting the appropriate MIDI transmit channel on your master keyboard.

10.Assigning midi channels to a multi channel plugin in VEpro 5 11/21/2013 3:16:42 PM

Hi Geert, as far as I know the MIDI channel assignment is done in Play's interface - having loaded multiple instruments into Play, you click on each of their names and assign them different MIDI channels on the GUI. Same approach with Kontakt, except in Kontakt each loaded instrument has its own interface.

11.Almost completely befuddled 11/20/2013 6:31:32 PM

Thanks Herb - just to be clear, the audio can be separated routed within VI PRO as you described, but the patches still all play the same MIDI part? I always took "multi-timbral" to mean *MIDI* multi-timbral.

12.Almost completely befuddled 11/20/2013 11:15:49 AM
Paul wrote:
Adding a multi-timbral instrument in VE PRO 5 is described on page 49 of the

Thanks Paul. The manual says:

>Multi-timbral plug-ins in Vienna Ensemble PRO
>If you are using multi-timbral plug-ins like Vienna Instruments PRO, Omnisphere or Kontakt...

When did Vienna Instruments PRO become multi-timbral? AFAIK the Vienna Instruments player operates in MIDI 'omni mode' and can't assign different sounds to different MIDI channels.

13.VSL SE complete bundle vs. symphonic cube (standard) vs. super package (standard) 11/18/2013 12:26:44 PM

Hi Avacade, to summarise:

Vienna Superpackage
www.vsl.co.at/en/211/442/1797/1883/1881/305.htm
The full works: 24 complete collections comprising approx. 184 instruments and sections, chromatically sampled, all velocity layers, 871.5 GB. Standard library € 5,990, Extended library € 4,490, Full library (= standard + extended) € 10,480.

Symphonic Cube
www.vsl.co.at/en/211/442/1796/1885/1884/216.htm
10 complete collections comprising approx. 130 instruments and sections, chromatically sampled, all velocity layers, 548 GB. Standard library € 2,690, Extended library € 3,290, Full library (= standard + extended) € 5,980.

(Standard library  = basic articulations, Extended library = more advanced articulations. Extended libraries are not available separately; having bought and registered a Standard library, you pay extra to unlock the Extended samples.)

Special Edition Complete Bundle
www.vsl.co.at/en/211/261/2066/2090/1776.htm
All 6 Special Edition volumes comprising approx. 109 instruments and sections, sampled at tone intervals, reduced velocity layers, fewer articulations than the complete collections, approx. 130 GB installed. € 1,695 (download) or € 1,735 (on USB stick)

(The Special Edition volumes are slimmed-down, budget versions of the complete collections. Though they are less intensively sampled and don’t have all the articulations found in the collections, they still sound very good indeed.)

These are the SE Bundle instruments not found in the Symphonic Cube:

  • Solo violin, viola, cello & double bass ‘con sordino’ versions
  • Chamber strings (6 violins, 4 violas, 3 cellos, 2 double basses) con sordino versions
  • Appassionata strings (20 violins, 14 violas, 12 cellos, 10 double basses)
  • Bassoon 2, Bass Flute, Heckelphone, Contrabass Clarinet, Oboe d’Amore, Basset horn
  • Trumpet in Bb, Cornet, Flugelhorn, Alto Trombone, Euphonium, Fanfare Trumpets (6)
  • Alto, Tenor, Baritone, Soprano and Bass saxophones
  • Bösendorfer Imperial Grand Piano, Vienna Konzerthaus Organ, Harpsichord
  • Electric guitar (Overdrive), Concert guitar
  • Vienna Choir

The Symphonic Cube has a much larger menu of miscellaneous percussion instruments than the SE Complete Bundle, including wood blocks, temple blocks, claves, cowbells, Roto toms, boobams, rock kit cymbals, gongs, bells, crotales, lithophone (small), log drum, waterphone, etc.

Since you are new to orchestral programming, I don’t think you should get sidetracked with high-end features like the MIR reverb engine; your system sounds more than adequate to get started. (N.B. To access more than 3GB of RAM, you need a 64-bit operating system.)

I would advise against going straight for the Superpackage: such an expensive, top-of-the-range product is overkill for a beginner, and you might end up not using half of it. The advantage of the Special Edition Complete Bundle is that it supplies a very good spread of the huge Vienna sample database, enabling you to get familiar with the instruments without spending a fortune. You can upgrade the instruments you use the most to their full collection status later, but in the meantime you can make *great* demos with the SE, which offers many playing styles (including the wonderful VSL ‘true legato’) and the fabulous Appassionata Strings.

All these libraries run exclusively on the Vienna Instrument. It takes a little time to figure out how the VI software works, and since you’ll be coming to terms with sequencing software at the same time, there’s a danger you could get bogged down in technicalities. My advice is to keep it simple and concentrate on what you want to do musically. If you get stuck, VSL’s educational videos are excellent, and there are also plenty of experienced Vienna users here who’ll be glad to help.

Apologies if I got any details wrong. Good luck!

14.What's the difference between sustained violins and legato violins? 11/10/2013 5:20:50 PM

Hi Mike, to hear the legato effect in all its glory you need to load a legato patch and play a single-line melody with the notes slightly overlapped. (This overlapping triggers the legato transition.) The legato inter-note transitions work for all intervals up to an octave in both directions. Let us know if you can't get it to work and we'll advise!

15.setting up crossfades between articulations 11/1/2013 10:58:41 AM

The SE brass sforzatos (sfz) are pretty powerful...

16.setting up crossfades between articulations 10/31/2013 2:57:34 PM

Cuivré (meaning 'brassy', see www.vsl.co.at/en/70/3139/3141/3142/5410.vsl).

You could try putting a 'sffz' or 'sus blare' patch in one slot, and cross-fading to 'fp' or 'sus' in the other. The sffz patches generally have the fiercest attacks in the VSL collections.

17.setting up crossfades between articulations 10/31/2013 10:26:55 AM

Hi Edward, hopefully that explanation did the trick? If not, try starting from scratch with an empty player, select the 'Advanced' view, then drag and drop a *single patch* from the Patch list into slot 1a. Then drag a different patch into slot 1b. You can now cross-fade between the two slots by using MIDI CC20 commands. To change the CC controller number to CC1 (= mod wheel), select 'Ctrl Map' (lower left of screen), select 'SlotXF', click on the box underneath 'Source', select 'Controller' and change the CC number there. HTH!

18.Dimension Strings 10/29/2013 9:08:50 AM

Due to their large section sizes, VSL's Appassionata Strings have a unique sound. To have that sound available in 'Dimensionised' form would be great.

19.Dimension Strings 10/27/2013 11:18:49 AM

Agreed, that would be very cool - it could be the ultimate violin section library.

20.How use expression controller ? which is correct way 10/24/2013 1:04:28 PM

Providing CC7 (Volume) and CC11 (Expression) are both set to control volume and nothing else, there should be no difference between them - both simply generate 128 MIDI values. If you hear a difference, it could be that one or other of them is mapped to an additional parameter within the instrument, or that the sequencer is doing something extra with the control data.

21.simple question 10/18/2013 11:45:21 AM

Hi Rangi - it consists entirely of muted (con sordino) samples www.vsl.co.at/en/211/442/344/1341/1501/1116.htm

22.Performance Legato 10/13/2013 8:22:00 AM
strytten wrote:
Did they have to collect every other interval in order to get all the legato intervals?

Yes, they recorded every interval up to an octave, up and down, for every note on the instrument. That's why it sounds so good.

23.Second Clarinet 8/23/2013 4:53:43 PM

I too would be happy to have a second clarinet. It would be good to hear VSL's sampling chops applied to a second instrument, whether in A or Bb!

24.Dimension Strings 8/3/2013 6:18:25 PM
clamnectar wrote:
it's probably a very small task compared to recording, editing, sequencing, and testing the million+ samples in the DS collection, and it would make them more of a joy to use. 

I agree. But I would think finishing the DS collection would be the number one priority for VSL at this stage.

25.Dimension Strings 8/2/2013 3:28:43 PM

If it was easy for VSL to provide a complete set of 8-way patches for DS Violins, I suspect they would have done it already. It would involve at the very least a redesign of the Patch browser, and for that reason, I feel it may well not happen, though I would welcome it if it did. In the meantime, I don't think it's a gross inconvenience for users to have to create their own presets - people who do this stuff for a living are used to that kind of programming job.

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