Can. you give the exact configuration of your setup including disks and how you have organise your disk(s).

(where is the system, the libs....)

Include audio parameter in Logic and in Ve-pro

Also can you give what is running on your master and on your slave

As you use many libraries you must test them to see how greedy they are

One trick in Logic to better use the different processor is to use VIs instead of VE-PRO

If you use SSD or Raid 0 of SSD you can reduce the preload buffer size.

Another is to have VSL on VE-pro and other libs  in Logic that you root to MIR via an audio track

At last can you give memory and disk meter in Activity monitor when you get hick ups 

I had very bad surprise on a Choir libs eating all the memory !

I have very bad souvenir when I was using QLSO, it was so greedy, this is why I move to VSL

Another trick is to use Dry instruments and to add reverb on busses !

As I told you before if you are in trouble with too many track you convert the most heavy track to Audio track as an audio track use less CPU

5.1 o 7.1 recording are also much more greedy

The best trick on a computer is to spread the tasks and avoid to add layer to a task

VSL has work very hard to optimise the VI libs, this is not the case of other manufacturer of libs

You can write quatuor  with instruments using "a lot of note at high tempo" and let it play by you different libs and see what is the library that is the most greedy !

You must also be careful if you have big tutti 

Writing orchestral music on a computer demands either a lot of money to have a big  setup with one master and many slaves or to be able to monitor what is happening the you run into clicks, pops ...

Hello Andi

We are waiting since 4 years for Dorico's expression maps !

Happy to know you are working on it

What about VI libs ?

Best

Cyril

Hello

Andy is THE MAN for Expression Maps but apparently he does not like Dorico.

As Andy has done all the Expression Maps for Cubase, it should not take him too much time to convert them to Dorico

Maybe VSL has not Dorico ? 

There are some expression Maps on Dorico's forum

I have tried to make a deal with VSL, the answer is : you do it for free !

It is impossible to answer to your question, you use many libraries

it depends how much memory, CPU, disks, memory used by each instrument and at the end the tempo and the kind of note used i.e. if you do a tremolo with notes it will use more cpu than if you use a tremolo sample articulation

It also depends of the music of your client, if he will use articulation switching or one track per articulation

there are some musicians using 1 master and 10 servers with template of more than a 1000 instruments

If your client has the budget and is doing big score it is better to go for a single Macpro with a lot of memory and SSD disks

also you can find second hand MacPro 2010 for a good price.

when you go to the limit of your computer you can convert some track to audio to regain more tracks

I compose with a MacBook Pro on the road using Logic instruments and a very few VSL instrument, I transfer on my Macpro to finalise the song

Do you have two Ethernet port on your 8 core 2013 Mac Pro ?

Why not adding another one ?

This is a French store :

https://www.macway.com/sonnet-solo10g-pcie-carte-10-gigabit-ethernet-rj45/p894282?oid=715944&gclid=Cj0KCQjwp4j6BRCRARIsAGq4yMERbJq_-KG2QuvFMyvjU3YWomzQy4AeC2PJiAriEtJwvZr-hKPKmkQaAm2iEALw_wcB

You should be able to find it in a store in your country 

What Mac ?

Intel is overpricing it's CPU because it has the monopoly !

Looks this one :

Being Intel’s fastest 28-core CPU for multi-socket servers, the Xeon Platinum 8284 processor costs $15,460 (recommended customer price for 1k unit order, RCP), whereas the Xeon Platinum 8280 that runs at a 300 MHz lower frequency, costs $10,009 for 1ku.

How do you want to sell a Mac Pro at $ 5000  if it has 2 x Xeon 8284 processors at $ 30 020 

Let's wait and see what is going to happened for Christmas !

+1

Hello Andi

Dorico 3,5 contains major updates of the Expression Maps.

It will be a pity not to profit of them

Thanks  in advance

Best

Cyril

Originally Posted by: GilP

Hello,

Are Sibelius soundset and possibly Dorico expression maps are expected for these 4 brass products?

Thanks!

Gil.

+1 for Dorico

My birthday is on the 28th of June, those libraries are on my present list 

> The formating of the SSD does not make a difference when doing a speed test but it will make a difference on performance for loading the small sample files for the synchron player. 

In VSL you can ajust the pre-load buffer size and you do this depeding of the speed of your I/O, smaller if the buffer size more you will put in memory but you will have more disk access.

You have to be carefull that there is no swap used in Activity Monitor

You can make a Raid 0 of SSD, it is saying you multiply by 1.5 the speed, the only problem is if you have a problem with your disk you loose all the SSD that are in your Raid 0, so you have to be very carrefull and have a back of your SSD on a large HD. I build a Raid 0 of 8 x SSD on a SATA III interface

a good thing to do is to spread your libraries accros mutiple disk 

Have fun !

voilà, 

Have you run Black Magic disk test

USB-C not "la crème de la crème"

SATA III is  theorically 600 Mb/s,  USB 3.0, is theorically 480 Mb/s 

Why theorically : it depends of the chips used for your I/O on both side

Inside the Mac Mini normally you have Sata III so your SSD will run faster if you put it in the Mac-Mini

You can test this with utility like : Black Magic disk test 

it depends how your external 1TB Samsung T7 NVMe SSD  is connected 

The improvement made is FABULOUS

Depending of note lenght Dorico is selecting an articulation automatically !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmQcQeBokQk

Is there now a chance to have VSL expression Maps compatible to Dorico ?

Lucky me I have on my Macpro with 4 x 26" screens so you can see 48 tracks in Logic with no problem and about a 100 tracks in VE PRO if I minimize them

I started to mix this 48 tracks project on a MacBook Pro, I was getting crasy !

How could you mix a 1000 tracks, you cannot have 200 screen connected to a MacPro

Have you see a Mixing Table with 1 000 tracks ?

At the moment there is a competition on the number of tracks, it's the sampe competition that there is on the length of the 3rd leg     LOL

It's allready difficult to mix well 48 tracks,

It should be hell to mix a 1000 tracks

How can you do that ?

Do you put a note per track ?

There are not a 1000 instruments in an orchestra ?

Read this : 
http://theidiomaticorchestra.net/14-orchestra-size-and-setting/

"A modern full-scale symphony orchestra consists of approximately one hundred permanent musicians, most often distributed as follows: 16–18 1st violins, 16 2nd violins, 12 violas, 12 cellos, 8 double basses, 4 flutes (one with piccolo as a specialty), 4 oboes (one with English horn as a specialty), 4 clarinets (one with bass clarinet as a specialty, another specializing in high clarinets), 4 bassoons (one with double bassoon as a specialty). In theory, all woodwind players are expected to be able to play all auxiliary instruments in addition to their main instrument. Furthermore 5–8 horns, 4 trumpets, 4 trombones (one with bass trombone as a specialty), 1 tuba, 1 kettledrum player, 3–4 percussionists (of whom at least one must also play kettledrum), 1–2 harps and a keyboard player (piano, celesta, harpsichord, etc.).

Musicians mastering instruments such as saxophone, guitar, bass oboe (heckelphone), ondes martenot, synthesizer, etc., usually do not have a permanent position, but are engaged for special projects or concerts. Similarly, extra players are engaged when a score calls for extended brass, percussion, etc.

please find attached

I had the same problem the other day

I open the AUval tool  select the AU causing the error, reset and re-open it and Logic was happy !

Hope it is helping

Hello

Are they rules to help mixing so many tracks ?

Tanks for your lights 

Best

Cyril

The value of Memory in the Activity Monitor are very important !

It could show the problem !

I need also the Memory values

Hello

What solution are you using to expression Keyswitching with Andromeda ?

Or with DORICO

Best

Cyril

P.S. Andromeda = 20/10 

If you want I continue to help you do what I have ask.

I need the figures after the overload message