Thanks, Paul, will do

Ah, thanks. So I'll hope my post on VI Control yields some more information for Studio One, which is currently my primary DAW.

I think I made this too complicated. If I boil it down, my question is this:

Do assigned but unused VEP outputs use a significant amount of CPU or RAM?

+1

I already posted this in the VI Control forum here.

I'm curious if anyone can comment on the impact in VE Pro Server of audio outputs, specifically the total number of available audio outputs (per Instance settings in Preferences) versus the number of outputs actually used.

If I set my instances with a large number of outputs potentially available for an instance, say 100 or more, but only assign 50 of them to channel outputs, what is the relative impact on processing and performance compared to adjusting my available outputs to more closely match the number used. I have five instances like this.

I've had some good progress so far in working with dedicated stereo outs for each used instrument in my VE Pro Server template. These are then routed to a Studio One VE Pro instrument, matching each Studio One instrument tracks with assignments for MIDI port, channel and outputs in the VE Pro instances in my template.

I have the flexibility to change these assignments or add new instrument tracks as needed. It's a question of how much "padding," unassigned VE Pro outputs, to make room if I do choose to add some instruments to my Studio One project. If I leave plenty of padding, I multiply the number of available outputs. If I leave less, I might have to adjust the available number of outputs in VE Pro to accommodate added instruments.

An arcane question, but I'm curious.

Thanks for explaining

Can someone clarify what the VI Collections presets that show in VI Pro are, specifically, the pdf manuals explain all the detail of the L1 (level 1) and L2 (level 2) presets, I take it corresponding with the Standard and Extended libraries.

But they make no mention of the "VI Pro" presets that are shown alongside these in the VI Pro player. Just looking at it I can't tell if the "VI Pro" presets are older or newer creations than the L1 and L2 presets. I'm wondering if they were set up when original VI Pro was released to take advantage of it's capabilities at the time. Not sure if they have been enhanced for VI Pro 2.

The Level presets make perfect sense to me, so I'm inclined to use them.

Originally Posted by: PaoloT

Maybe panning them a bit apart, and using a slightly different mix (in particular, with different Close and Mid mics levels) could work. Also, you could play a bit with the EQ, to shape the sound a bit differently.

Paolo

Thanks for the suggestions, Paolo. If it turns out there is no combination of existing factory mix presets useful for avoiding phasing where divisi lines merge then what you suggest will be my only alternative to purchasing the Full version, which I want to avoid because of computer resources. However, if there was a library I might consider going with it could be Elite Strings.

Again, thanks.

I only own Elite Strings Standard Version. I know that the Full Version has Divisi Presets. These show up in the dropdown list for Standard and can be applied, but as expected they don't seem to produce decent results so far as I can tell.

If I were to use only factory presets from the Standard Version for divisi, is there a combination of distinct presets might be suggested? 

Originally Posted by: Pixelpoet1985

When can we expect the other instruments? ;P

I have the same question. I've been hoping all along to get a4 Horns in Synchron Brass.

FYI, one thing I've found trying to work around this:

If I first set MIDI port and Channel to "none" before deleting it does not crash.

Done, though there were no crashdump reports to be found with the appropriate date.

Thanks, Paul.

With version 7.1.1427 withdrawn, I did as advised and rolled back to 7.1.1406. Everything worked fine yesterday and earlier today, but all of a sudden the rollback version is crashing frequently. I am running a VSL server template by itself and doing some editing, adding some instances, and using saved channel sets from existing instances to populate them before overwriting channels with Prime presets.

Deleting a channel as part of my editing seems to be the most common trigger for a crash.

I have attached the log file from the crash that just happened.

 We recently moved two time zones east from the US state of Washington to Texas, The time zone here is CST Central Standard Time.

When I look at my user setting options the dropdown does not seem to include any option for this time zone, which for me primarily affects the time stamp for forum posts. I'd like to see them translated to my time here. Any solutions?

It might be worth your time and effort to read the following fairly comprehensive article about MIDI messages.

Overview of MIDI Messages

The use of these message has developed over time. In general, the function of Program Changes has been largely pushed into the background by Keyswitches (On/Off control tied to one of the MIDI note values) and Continuous Controllers commonly abbreviated as CC's, (each controller can be programmed to send a value from 0 to 127 to affect the virtual instrument in a fine-tuned way).

But all are just different types of MIDI messages that can still be used. These message are sent by whatever software platform you are using, in your case Finale. The user must program the platform to send these messages, and each platform has it's own unique way of handling this. I myself don't use Finale.

So for you Finale would be programmed to send the right message, and VSL is just the receiver of that message. VSL would then "interpret" the message and respond with the desired switch (an articulation) or control (say, vibrato).

The Vienna Instruments player was created at a time when Program Changes were still in general use, but even then they were being supplanted by Keyswitches and CC's. But Vienna Instruments had to support them because a lot of people were still using them.

Even now there are some people who still find them useful. But there is one big problem: Key virtual linstrument and platform companies have moved from an older protocol, VST2, to a new one, VST3, and the newer has dropped all support for Program Changes. 

Again, I strongly suggest you take some time to investigate and come to some understanding of MIDI protocols and how they work. Using virtual instruments requires this understanding in order to make significant progress.

I don't believe this possible. The only reason I add "believe" is because I am not an official source of information.

You CAN create custom presets, and you can drag any matrix or patch setup you want into it. 

Update:

What a great support system VSL has.

Apparently this button is only missing in Windows, and VSL programmers will get it restored in the next update.

How's THAT for service! Thanks, team.

So the answer I'm getting from Support seems to imply the VI Pro add channel button is no longer part of VI Pro, but that right-clicking within the instance, then selecting Insert Plugin, then selecting VI Pro will do the job.

This works fine, but involves a lot more than clicking a button. If done repeatedly it makes a difference, especially since I do not see a way to add multiple channels at once besides duplicating existing channels and changing the loaded instruments.

I guess VI Pro is fading further into the background. One of the reasons I got MIR Pro 3D with the Synchron Stage roompack was to use my VI libraries more actively. I'll just adjust to this reality.

SEE UPDATE IN MY NEXT POST

Thanks for chiming in, dbudde.

VI Pro is version 2.6.99 is installed per Vienna Assistant. Licensing does not appear to be the problem, as everything looks fine in VA.

Tried reinstalling, no change. Tried removing eLicenser, no change. Standalone loads fine with the same problem.

VI Pro shows in the list of available instruments in the VE Pro settings.

Thanks again, appreciate the ideas. Hopefully VSL support can help.

I ended up sending an email to VSL support, so hopefully they can help me figure this one out.

Haven't had any occasion to use VI Pro in VE Pro since the move to iLok. Started to add a channel now, I noticed I no longer see a way to add VI or VI Pro channels, either by right click in channel list or by icon below. The icon does not show, the right-click option does not appear.

However, Vienna Assistant shows I have the VI Pro software installed and shows the correct location.

But I don't find VI or VI Pro in my iLok License Manager.

Any help figuring this out would be appreciated. It's holding me up from deciding whether to purchase MIR Pro 3D.

Edited to add:

I just noticed that VI and VI Pro still show on my eLicenser. Could that explain it? Do I need to remove those licenses there?

Also, I I just remembered I have three existing channels of VI instruments (running VI Pro, of course) in one of my instances. The VI Pro instrument shows and plays normally when selected, and I can copy and paste from these existing channels to get new VI channels, so that is at least a temporary workaround.

Congratulations, Dietz, on the fruition of all your hard work over years.

MIR 3D looks great and several features, especially Roles, look like it will be much easier to use.

Quick question to either confirm or not my understanding of Sy libraries versus Syz libraries with MIR Pro. Is it the case that Sy libraries cannot take advantage of MIR Pro 3D because the room and positioning is baked into the samples, but Syz libraries, because they are based on the dry VI samples, ARE able to do so?

edited to add:

Thanks for your answer in the VI Control forum.

Best places to ask would be the Dorico forum or the Notation section of the VI Control forum.

Originally Posted by: Bill

Are the strings setup to to use VelXF ?

Three versions, as typical lately with VSL.

VelXF MOD (uses CC1 for all x-fading)

VelXF sus (uses CC1 for x-fading long notes, velocity for shorts)

Velocity (uses velocity only for all)

Originally Posted by: Bill

I don't suppose there any way to control the ensemble size of the string players?

I don't believe so. This is one major difference between the Special Editions and Prime. No small sections, no solo strings.