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1.Debussy - "Jeux de vagues" by Andy B. 3/7/2004 5:10:30 PM
Bravo Andy! Beautiful, Personally I really do not care if you did this with a Roland Sound Canvas Big Smile or with whatever you have and like. The fact that you did use VSL patches is a guaranty for this libraries qualities. It is just great to listen to it and to admire your talent.

Iwan Roth
2.VSL Uses Timestretching? 2/14/2004 7:50:40 PM
Dietz wrote:
Ok

It's your luck that I won't have enough time answer all the coming cascades of your self-referring threads over and over again. Be aware though that the line between "much" and "too much" is thin.

Back to work now -

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library


I did write some "critical" statements about evans writing in this forum quite some time ago. In the meantime I think that evan is actually consciously or unconsciously, I do not know, looking for reactions of the kind he is provoking right now. In his last post he does write about him writing some great music..... Be sensible, if someone really is sure of himself he will not write this, because there is no need for it. So evan is playing a game with us, for whatever reason I also do not know, and if we do react, we go in to his game. and this is not worth the time and the energy. I mean this war about time stretched samples is such a big nonsense, but I can understand that committed people do react the way you at VSL do. Just consider from where it comes from..... which is IMHO not exactly what he does consider himself-at least in his statements at this forum.

Iwan
3.VSL Uses Timestretching? 2/13/2004 9:27:44 PM
Big Smile

YEAH....

Do not say everything you know, because you may look like a fool...... [Wink]


Iwan
4.orchestration books 1/29/2004 10:36:04 PM
evanevans wrote:
There's also a two-volume french bible of orchestration by someone I think his name is Charles Koechler or Koechlin.
Evan Evans


Evan,

His name is Charles Koechlin (1867-1950). IMHO he is one of the most underrated composers in music history. I think it is partly because he was a complete outsider, unacademic -which was a sin in France at his lifetime- and completely out of any cultural context . He did start in life as an artillerie officer in the french army....... His most "popular" book is a symphony basesd on Kipplings book of the jungle (le Livre de la Jungle). He could be of particular interest for sample user, because he did write some music for films as early as as 1930. He was passionate of motion pictures. Some of his friends reported that he went to the movie as much as 3 times a day. He dedicated quite a few of his works to actors as Jean Harlow,Douglas Fairbanks, Greta Garbo, Charlie chaplin and others. One of these works is ¨The seven stars Symphony¨. as you see, the French did discover Hollywood quite a long time ago.

The book you mention is called ¨Traité de l´orchestration¨

Iwan
5.Question for Mac Specialists 1/28/2004 7:03:29 PM
My Mac is alive again. It was only a buffer batterie which was dead. I did bring to the Apple Center and they fixed in a few minutes. It is still strange that such a batterie only last for 18 month.

Quote:
Macs usually last for years. I have a IIci running in my garage right now (hosting a Lexicon NuVerb card), and it was made around 15 years ago


This is also my own experience with Macs. Unfortunately you have to change them for other reasons as hardware failure...... Can you think about having to change your car every 2 or 3 years because the Gas is not compatible anymore? Or because it does need another motor to run on the same speed on a new kind of highways?

Operating system seams to be a big problem in Macs nowadays. The migration to OS X, which is practically unavoidable, is very painfull in Loss of time and costs. Also IMHO this system should not called OS X but Steve Jobs 1.0 (beta.....) I mean personally I do not experience the so much praised stability. I had to change my sound card (MOTU) because they are not able to write a compatible driver and do not even admit that fact despite dozends of complaints on the Internet. And even now Logic (Apple....) does crash once in a while on a computer who has practilly nothing installed apart of professional audio software.

Also repairing disk permissions at least once a day seams kind of strange to me in the, advertised as, most modern OS.

I will probably continue to use my Mac, because I have invested so much money into it, and I hope that Macintosh will evoluate to better days, because if not, I think there will be soon no Macs anymore. But if today someone would ask me what to buy, I would say buy yourself a PC/ Window XP with Sonar or Cubase SX/ Nuendo/Sibelius or Finale. It does the same thing and cost half the money! I think I know what I am talking about, since I did try this configuration for the whole month of January.

Iwan
6.Question for Mac Specialists 1/26/2004 5:40:40 PM
Hi Tattie and Nick,

Thanks for the valuable feedback Big Smile

Tattie, I had problems with the MDD 1.25 Mh from the the first day I had it. It did run better on OS 9 as on OS X, but I never did experience the stability I am use to from the past Macintosh computers- I am a Mac user since 1987 and did only purchase a PC because of Gigastudio. Also the noise problem with the MDD, was a reason by itself to send this machine back to Mr Jobs.
Now I really do not know what to do. I am also a Logic user and Emagic now only support the Mac, (which I do consider as really insulting for the PC clients which did support their software for many years). Money makes the world go round……
[Wink] Confused

I did build me a PC with an AMD Athlon 2000 Mh- 1 GB Ram/ Windows XP for the fraction of the cost of a Mac. Since I also have a Licence for Cubase, I am considering quitting the Apple platform all together. I have very little experience with Cubase, but, at first sight, the VST integration, seams much better as in Logic. Since I few days a try things out with this machine and, at least until now, it does not seam bad at all to me. Also my two GS computers are running since 2 years without the slightest trouble (besides problems with MIDI interfaces). Of course it is kind of frustrating to put a machine which is only 18 month old, with licenses for Logic, Waves, Spark, Altiverb / 1, 5 GB RAM / 2 x 120 GB HD with my old garbage in to the garage.....

Iwan
7.Question for Mac Specialists 1/26/2004 12:46:08 PM
Last week my dual MDD 1.25 Mh Power did stop working. If i am lucky it is the power supply, if not, it will be the motherboard...Anyway, I never did like this machine. I still have my older G4 -AGP 400 Mh- which never gave me any trouble but which is of course to slow for audio. Now my question is: will I have some good performance putting an accelerator card, say 1200-1400 Mh in it Confused:

Thanks for any advice

Iwan
8.EXS basic ed and Sibelius 3 1/24/2004 7:27:44 PM
This is the URL where you can download Midi Patchbay:

http://www.macmusic.org/softs/view.php/lang/FR/id/592/?vRmtQjpAznOhMa=1

It does work only in OS X

Iwan
9.I AM AS POWERFUL AS 50 USERS!!! 1/16/2004 9:16:03 AM
Fred Story wrote:
Looking at it another way, in a room full of 777 people - one person is doing most (1/16) of the talking.

If it were me doing most of the talking, my mother would harshly remind me of my manners.

She would also remind me that it does not make me the most powerful person in the room. [[Wink]]


Your Mother is a wise woman...... Big Smile If I would be the father, I would add that you not only not be the most powerful, but also that you may look like a fool..... [[Wink]]

Iwan
10.New forum topic? 1/6/2004 2:45:35 PM
Big Smile Yes; Definitly a good idea. After all, at first we get this tools in order to make music. For myself i do also do get tired to read all this stuff about reverb settings, bits and bytes, memory, how many thousands of occurences of a plug-in can be loaded in.........

A Topic about music, this would be great.

Iwan

Edit: BUT...I have to conceed that I did learn much by reading this stuff, but still do hate to HAVE to deal with it Confused
11.stealth demos 12/23/2003 9:04:53 AM
Leon Willett wrote:
Great thread.



By the way, I must say that I mistook your tone at the begining of the thread as arrogant. Now I realise it's not the case, but I mention it because I don't want Iwan to seem like he was alone in that interpretation. Its a USA/European thing. You guys have a different way of expressing yourselves that comes across as arrogant to us sometimes.


I never did write that the tone of evan is arrogant! I just think he is sometime writing about things he does not really know very well. Since during my career I did work with people which where very close to Stravinsky, as Pierre Boulez and Paul Sacher, who commissioned the Symphony of Psalms, I have the, probably stupid and unnecessary drive, to put things straight. Evan is right about his judgement concerning me; I am very inflexible about the truth of facts and about propagating legends on the Internet. The philosopher Nietzsche had a good statement about these things, but I will restrain from citating it, it would not be very popular, I am sure you do know it or can find it.

Iwan


Just one thing more, lets make music.....

Iwan
12.stealth demos 12/22/2003 6:40:59 PM
Fred Story wrote:
Based on his voluminous postings, I'm beginning to suspect Evan has found a way to get paid for this.

How do I become a professional VSL Forum poster? On second thought...never mind. I'd rather be writing some music than talking about it.
Big Smile


Since I do not get paid to write on the VSL forum - actually since a certain time I do sometime think that this is not the VSL forum anymore.......I do not want to get nasty, it is not my business-, and also since I have better things to do, I do give up.

Iwan
13.stealth demos 12/22/2003 2:18:11 PM
What a thread......HAPPY XMAS Big Smile
14.Logic is unexpectedly quitting all the time...Help! 12/21/2003 9:37:53 PM
Do not search any more, I just did read on Logic related forum that the combination MAC OS X / MOTU drivers (MIDI and Audio) running behind Logic are not compatible. Also the newest versions. The only driver which has reportedly some users which say that it is -more or less - stable, is the 424. I do experience this myself and would like to hear one Motu 324 / MAC OS Panther / Logic Audio user writing me that it is working on his machine.

On OS 9.2.2 I do have personally no problem. It does run fine and Logic never does crash, but iTunes does.........

Big Smile
Iwan
15.stealth demos 12/21/2003 9:29:24 PM
Are alle American now republicans........???? Surpriseops:
16.stealth demos 12/21/2003 9:23:50 PM
Quote:
All 300 million of us wear Bermuda shorts and Hawaiian print shirts, we're loud and obnoxious, we tell everyone our life story before saying hello, we treat people as our servants...and of course we all share the same appalling political views.

Are all 300 million American now republicans........???? Surpriseops:
17.stealth demos 12/21/2003 1:31:51 PM
Quote:
I am familiar with those stories as well. And in regards to your words that what I said is wrong: I said almost . I am not wrong. You may have mistook me. But certainly all I was doing was giving an example for others. Do you live in Los Angeles? Have you spent a decade there? I am not sure you understand that the language of Le Sacre is what is spoken here. It is so fundamental that it is even a forgotten assimilation. In any event, we were talking about the Hollywood Sound, and it's only my interpretation on what you have said here, but I don't think you exude words that show much experience with it. Every LA musician in the union plays Le Sacre-like music natively. It's our language. (I'm trying to say this without giving any offense, because I think you are a very interesting person and I have very much enjoyed all your posts and sharing our experiences on the board together.)


Evan

No, I do not live in Los Angeles, I live in France, south of France, in the coutryside, when I am looking out the window, I do not see any skyskrapers, but cows, horses and beautifull threes. I am Swiss citizen and was born only about 120 miles away from the house the Sacre was written. I think I have to put this clear, because by reading your post, one could think the Sacre was composed in Hollywood, but it was not: it was written in Switzerland close to Montreux. I do not write this to offend you in anyway, but as an old man, I may know things, from first hand, better than you can.
Also the so called "technique" of the Sacre has to be looked at in very critical way, since I have heard personally Igor Stravinsky saying that he did not use any technique for the Sacre, but just did write down what he did hear inside. Of course he said this 50 years after having written the piece, so he may did not remember Wink As for the Analizing of the Sacre, I do not think this is the exclusivity of Los Angeles. Actually from the Hollywood film scores I did hear, which are partly inspired and partly literally stolen from Sacre, I must say that I am not convinced at all. besides the fact that some of this composers are perect craftmans, it seams to me, that from a purely artistic point of view, they did (miss-)used this work for the purpose of sound effects, but there is absolutey nothing from the spirit and the genius of the music of Strawinsky in them.

I know that there some great musician in Los Angeles, and that for some reasons it is still the mecca of movies. But believe me Evan, there are also some great musician, as good as the ones in Los Angeles, in Vienna, Berlin, Amsterdam, Paris and in many other places........You are not the only one who seam to think that everything which has some kind of importance comes from Hollywood, and I finish my post by writing again: you are definitely wrong!

Iwan
18.stealth demos 12/20/2003 11:02:22 AM
evanevans wrote:

Well maybe you are leading yourself in the right direction. For instance, when you listen to Le Sacre you can hear what seem to be unbelievably dense and sophisticated woodwind noodling. Well it turns out that each one of those parts is incredibly easy to play, almost lays on the instrument like a practice exercise for a high school orchestra. truly amazing use of the Korsakov/Boulangier technique of doing complex ideas as easy as they could be played. It has a lot to do with the architecture of how you divide lines. Unfortunately I cannot give example here because a simple thing I can whistle would take a long time to illustrate using text or even a notation program. But suffice to say if you just play each part of the Le Sacre individually, I think you'll get a 1st class education..


Evans,

This statement is definitely completely wrong. The Sacre is very difficcult to play for all members of an orchestra and very difficult to conduct for a conductor. Having a high shool orchestra playing the Sacre would be like a MacDonalds cook cooking a meal for the queen of England. Strawinsky himself was destroying practically every intrerpretation of the Sacre, saying the musician where not good enough to play it. By the way; Strawinsky did not like Hollywood Film music at all. he was offered enormous amounts of money to write scores for Hollywood films, money which he could use, because he lost all his rights from his famous works while leaving the Soviet Union, but he allways clearly did refuse.


By the way, I am a big fan of your father, and I had the privilege to hear him several time live and to meet him personally. He was not only a genius, but also a very nice and modest man.


Best wishes

Iwan Roth
among others: former professor at Indiana University and the Paris Conservatory of music

http://www.iwanroth-sax.com
19.Logic is unexpectedly quitting all the time...Help! 12/14/2003 6:07:14 PM
I am having problems with Logic 6.x.x/ OS X (2.x.x and now Panther) since month. I also use MOTU hardware. I had one more try after downloading the latest MOTU drivers, but the machine does still crash after a time between 10 and 40 minutes. I did try about everything, but I had enough lost time, so I do run Logic on OS 9.2.2. I did try Cubase SX and the same configuration does not crash...I may switch, but it is kind of strange that Logic and OS X (both Aplle products) can not work with MOTU products....???????

Both companies seam not to be concerned about the problem, despite the fact that the Internet forums are full of customers having the same problems. Support of both Emagic and MOTU seams to be completely unefficient.....I will not complain anymore, I just will buy products from other companies Super Angry

Iwan

Iwan
20.W2k Registry Tweaks + Optimizing Useable GS Memory 12/10/2003 7:41:55 PM
If you do not need it, remove Microsoft Explorer. This made a big difference for me.


Iwan
21.Result Code = -5000 Insufficient Access Privileges 12/10/2003 10:39:14 AM
Jim,

Sorry if this was already mentioned - I do not have the time to read the whole thing right now -, but did you open disk utilities (Applications -Utilities- ) and choose " Verify Disk Permissions" and ¨"Repair Disk Permissions"?

This may help- good luck

iwan
22.Do I have to learn VSL all by myself? 12/9/2003 9:11:03 PM
Solart wrote:



What sold me on this program was the demos that I heard on this web site. What would be wonderfully helpful would be a tutorial that takes the user step by step thru the process of programming such a piece (in EXS and GIGA)- take Strauss "Blue Danube Waltz" for example, and go step by step thru Herb's process in programming this jem. Would this not be a tremendous resource and an insite into how the developer of this program intends it to be used? Not to mention very helpful as a starting point for new users. I would think it would be in the best interests of the developers of VSL to have a highly educated a user base, ulitlzing the program to it's maximum capacity. When you hear these demos, you think "I want to do that!!!" - my question is... How do you do that?? Not how Strauss did it (I have the score) not how a sequencer and midi work, but what choices were made by the programmer in terms of the sample selection and tools used etc. Did he use only Cube sounds, only performance set sounds??? What choices did were made as he programmed?

Maybe this a completely niave wish, ....


Solar,


Yes, i think it is in some way. because you do not want to buy only the library but a complete course on how programming as perfect as Herb or other experts in this field. VSL is more a musical instrument as a piece of software; If you buy a violin the manual which will make it possible to play as well as Izthak Perlman is not included. Personally I think it is very kind from people like Herb to give us some hints with is MIDI file samples, which have actually, at least for me, opened the way and are explicit in showing the concept of VSL. IMO, I do not see what could actually be explained more, apart of the repetition performance tool, which can be tricky to use. But I concede that I also do not read software manuals, so I am maybe used to find out things by myself.

Maybe some of the experts could write "VSL for dummies",(this is not meant to be an insult, but only a link to Windows etc for dummies) but personally I do prefer Herb and his team to concentrate on expanding the library instead of writing a 800 page manual in order to explain that for a crescendo, you may will have to use a cre sample....Also on the forum it would be possible to get some more info about how to use the library in relation to music, which should have more importance in this place.

Iwan
23.Do I have to learn VSL all by myself? 11/23/2003 1:30:25 PM
yoyfish wrote:

I have a solid music education and have used computers and samplers all the way back to AKAI 612 (anyone remember..? No! That’s 20 years ago…….Smile

I must have missed something….a 5000$ library and no tutorial (the string tutorial is not a tutorial its an explanation of the name abbreviations.

I guess it comes down to giga studio things......avfull program I would never have got it if it wasent for VSL......................


Hi yofish,

First of all: I can feel with you

But as someone who went trough the same tunnel as you seem to go rigth now, I can not really help, but just give you some hope....If you are trying to learn all VSL and Gigastudio the same day, forget about it. But if you give yourself some time, you will resolve all the problems. VSL is pretty self explaining, especially if you did look at the sample MIDI file collection made by Herb. I do use VSL for a nearly year, and of course I do still discover new things and how to make better use of the library, but I do not think that a manual could really replace this kind of experience.

Gigastudio is for many people difficult to get going. Unfortunately the problems are often not related to the program itself, but to PC configuration problems which are not always so easy to localize. I had a hard time getting it to work, but now I do have two dedicated GS machines, which do there job without making me any troubles....Knock on wood.......

So this just to say that your system will also be working, if not today maybe tomorrow. If you have some specific question, I am sure that, here on the forum, there are lots of members which are ready to give some help.

Iwan
http://www.iwanroth-sax.com
24.Fix for the slow loading in GigaStudio available! 11/6/2003 6:49:26 PM
Mattias

I just did dowload your FIX. This is great. Loading times are MUCH faster now. THANK YOU!

Iwan
http://www.iwanroth-sax.com
25.Sul G instruments ? 11/4/2003 2:56:22 PM
evanevans wrote:

Quote:
My goodness. Sorry about the typo. Sure you know what I meant.

I thought stravinsky died at 170 years of age, no?

[Wink]

Evan Evans


No problem, I think concerning typos I can compete with you. It just was funny....

Iwan
http://www.iwanroth-sax.com
The only thing I do know for sure, is that I do not know much
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