I would love to see much better multi-threading support.

I think it should be prioritised over a M1 version, as it will benefit both intel macs and M1 machines running VSL with rosetta.

A M1 version without better multi-threading will still have issues.

I have learnt to live with the current situation and still very much enjoy my VSL virtual pianos. If you can, limit yourself to just one close mic. If you do want to use more than one close mics then set Sympathetic to -inf.

I am able to add any number of non close mics without a problem even with Sympathetic not at -inf.

If you right or control click, on the area to the right of the channels.

You will get a menu with the item to remove mixer channel.

Kevin

Nice to see my own writing translated. It helps to know what i wrote to understand it. 

Here are my settings. These are the ones I used for my most recent recordings and re-doing some of my recordings here, the first 5 in the list are recorded using the new settings. I hope this helps. Bösendorfer Imperial playlist

Play =================

Reverb -16 (though this global reverb is off on the mix page)
Volume 0
Dynamic 140%
Body 10%
Sympathetic -1.42 dB

MIDI Sensitivity 0
Half pedal 50%
Pedal noise -31.62 dB
Key Rel. Noise -23 dB

Mix  =================
Only enabled channels mentioned.

Ribbon Vol 2, no delay, Equaliser on with a HF suppression from about 1kHz of about -8dB.
Mid 2 Vol 0.6, delay enabled of 15. Equaliser is off.
Main vol 1.2, delay enabled of 24.4. Equaliser on with a HF sloping suppression from about 2kHz to about -5dB.

Reverb is off.

Edit =================
Max voices per mic 161
Max voices per key 12
RS Level -6.05.
Other values I think are default.

I have this experience as well. I was frustrated with the Bösendorfer Imperial BI for this reason and when I bought the VC280 it felt worse. I decided to spend more time playing with the settings to try and work this out. Something I noticed was that the ambient preset didn’t seem to suffer from the issue, but it also has a lot of computed reverb applied, so only appropriate for a subset of music I like to play.

with the computed reverb turned off the pinging was still not an issue. This provided a clue.

What I found that does help is when you are mixing the close mics with any other mic types, if you add some delay to the other mic types in the mixing page this pinging can be silenced. It does add some natural reverb. But what I think is happening is it stops the sound of the attack from the close mic being overlayed with the sound of the attack from the other mic types.

so you need to balance how much of the natural reverb sound you are adding with the delay against reducing the pinging effect.

Hopefully this will demonstrate what I was talking about in the previous post where the tube mic is far more demanding than any of the others. I like the tube over the condenser mic, but there is something odd about it compared to all other mics, all the others behave like the condenser.

In the video I am just playing a single note, the same in both cases, B5 with no pedal a few times.

As soon as you use the pedal with the tube mic and play chords the cpu usage climbs faster and higher than for any other mic.

Nice review, thanks David. Very informative.

Unrelated to the review, has anyone else noticed that the tube mic position is a lot more demanding CPU wise than any of the other mic positions? then it can be quite significant, noticeable playing just a single note but it can really add up when playing using the pedal. At least that is the situation for me.

Hi Ben,

Are you confident that the original issue is fixed and I can update. I am sorely tempted by the new Bösendorfer 280C (I never thought I'd need another Bösendorfer ) but I'd like to confident that updating Synchron pianos is not going to return me to constant crackles as described in my original post.

I don't see a mention of the issue that has been a problem for me and a few others addressed in the changelog here: Changelogs . Does that mean it has not been addressed?

Thanks

Kevin

I’ve got timbre shift set to -2. Sorry for wasting your time. At least I know now.

Hi,

I've somehow disabled the top B note of the Bösendorfer Imperial within the Vienna Synchron Pianos standalone player.

When I play the note on my keyboard the virtual keyboard within the player shows the note being played but no sound is produced. When i switch to my vienna imperial virtual piano the note plays.

Looking at the virtual keyboard the note is greyed out like the C immediately above it which also doesn't play. I've attached an image to show that these two notes are greyed out.

Any hints on how I can get these notes back, at least the B since I need it for a piece I'm learning?

Since I am now clicking the don’t update button each time I run the player. That means I am very likely to miss the update that fixes the original problem but does not then create the issue discussed here.

Could someone from VSL post in this thread when there is a new update. I would greatly appreciate it.

TIA

It just occurred to me. I wonder if any digital pianos make the same adjustment. Such that they send a higher midi velocity value for the same force applied to the key when the sustain pedal is pressed?

Thanks for the info on this.

i had not got around to puzzling it out. I mostly play romantic era composers and use plenty of sustain. But for a Mozart piece I have been learning, I do not use any and the recording of my progress With this piece is a lot quieter.
Now I know and understand the reason.

I did not have time to follow up on this until today. I've installed the previous version. With about half an hour of playing the problem appears to be gone.

Definitely something not right with the latest player update and going back a version resolves the problem for me.

For added context I'm using Bösendorfer Imperial full.

I have installed the Vienna Synchron Pianos update.

I am now getting far more crackles than I was before, effectively it was 0. Just on a very rare occasion, but now it is quite constant without other settings being changed. Using the CPU monitor the CPU usage seems to be quite a bit generally higher than it was previously.

I have a six core 3.2 GHz Mac Mini i7, with 32GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD drive running Catalina.

Can I go back to the previous version of Vienna Synchron Pianos?

I am running with 5 microphone positions with the BI and I know this is not a trivial configuration. But it does feel disappointing that a software update can result in a reduction of choice because of the added demands on the system for the same configuration.

I had this issue, and it was one of the reasons I returned the D274 during the 14 days.

I have to say the update has resulted in a step up in my enjoyment of the Bösendorfer Imperial. I don't properly understand the fixes, the panning issue was one I didn't pick up on but there is something cleaner about the sound after the update

I am however confused, from what I understand and my reading of the lightweight release notes the fixes are for panning issues in the mid mics and removing clicks for certain notes in the close and mid mics at high velocities. It feels like the improvement is more than that to me, are there any other changes or is that it?

I was rating BI a step down from the Vienna Imperial, but now I'd be hard pressed to say which i enjoy more.

They have quite different sounds.

Working now.

I got my usb key today.

I downloaded the various bits of software a few days ago, in preperation for installing the Vienna Imperial piano VST today.

This evening I ran the download manager, but it finished downloading while I was away from my computer for sometime.

When I got back there were two instances of the elicenser application running and i hadn't noticed. When it asked me to activate the license I said yes. But then it blocked insisting I quit the elicenser application. I noticed then I had two instances of the elicenser application running. I quit the second one.

But there was an error with the activation. Now when I try and install the Vienna Imperial piano it asks for it to be activated but when i try and activate it says license already used.

This is on macOS running 10.14.

Can anyone give guidance on how to fix.

Kevin