To be fair to VSL, they are not the only company with plug ins or DAWs not ported, Pro Tools native is still an open beta, and Reason Studios isn't even in beta. Then there's Air, PSP, NI, Audio Ease, Nomad Factory etc. 

You'll notice all these companies are more than 10 years old, technical debt piles up, NI admitted that some of their plug ins have 15 year old GUI code. Reaktor their oldest product is last in line for native support. Who knows if Air or  Nomad Factory will ever port? PSP have been going one plug in every couple months for a long time now. 

 

The reason I thought that and was right about them wanting to port at least newer libraries over like Synchron before VEP has more to do with simple pride, if none of their plug ins but VEP run natively then it looks bad when you as a user are using other companies libraries in VEP but not VSL's. With Synchron ported first then they can port VEP and have a lot of plug ins to offer natively. 

Hey no disrespect meant, but it was mentioned that VEP was in beta months ago, so it's great that Synchron is AS and all, but anyone who thought about it from a business perspective knew that VEP would not be first to port, since then you would be showcasing Kontakt, Play, Spitfire libraries native AS support while highlighting inadvertently that Synchron etc. were not AS compatible yet. 

 So great news, not sure how it relates to this thread in general? since it's still months away from native support, just now with an offical announcement. :) 

I'm curious, are both of you using Cubase? I'm annoyed and waiting for the native version for sure, but because the Rosetta AU version is limited tracks wise and I'm waiting on the MAS and VST3 versions for larger templates. For most work though the Rosetta AU works here, barring a few GUI glitches! 

The problem here is conjecture. You're just as guilty of it as anyone who thinks that VSL don't have good reasons to have put Apple Silicon first in terms of support. You do not know why and neither do we.

 

One thing, IMO it's a travesty and poor business move that they did not release Apple silicon native versions of the VST, MAS, and AU VEP plug in at the least. This wouldn't require low level code etc. and would make it possible for Cubase users to actually use their DAW along with an Intel PC or Mac server, or even VEP in Rosetta using the native VST in Cubase. I can't think of a rational excuse this didn't happen. 

Thanks Dan, that's great! Supposedly VST3 is better at releasing CPU back to the host so over the years here it should be a better choice for plug ins in VEP servers. Plus it means VSL are done mucking with it and can get busy on putting the Apple Silicon beta through it's paces. My and I imagine your big fear, is they do not port the MAS version, so I wait with baited breath. 

Not seeing this anywhere. 

  So in the last page directly above the people complaining there's been no indication of a timeline, there's a link to a guy who works for VSL saying that VEP Apple Silicon native is in beta. You can't ask for more than that really. We can guess it's anywhere from one to nine months away at this point, depending on whether they find a major bug in the beta or not. Hopefully that includes VST3 support since if someone wants to host a server on Apple Silicon Kontakt instruments aren't going to play nice outside of AU. 

 To be honest, it's a matter of Steinberg changing far too much, and developers not agreeing with the changes, but 15 years later Steinberg aren't budging, it's their format, they write the rules and until CLAP is the defacto standard we're stuck with it, AU and single DAW solutions like MAS. I fear for MAS, VSL could drop it with all the work they made for themselves. MAS is great in DP, and I would definitely miss it. 

 

Mostly VEP can't be beat for big projects, I'm betting in the larger setups even the fastest computers out there benefit from taking out hosting tasks from the DAW. 

To their credit, on top of VST3, GUIs for modern times, and Apple Silicon.... VSL also recently had to switch from eLicenser to iLok. They IMO shot themselves in the foot inadvertently by not doing VST3 earlier, at least one port would be out of the way. 

  the main WTF? moment though is as you state, them not porting the plug in over ASAP. This is IMO a huge financial loss to them since people would have bought the software just to use depreciated or incompatible VSTs on a server machine while running the VEP AU, MAS or VST3 plug in, in their DAW. 

Yeah it caught me off guard. The main thing with Apple Silicon is the GUI differences from Intel Mac and Windows, so I wrongly assumed that because VEP was a modern looking application that the GUI framework was portable to Apple Silicon in a timely manor. For instance Arturia upgraded their plug ins for VST3 and resizable GUIs previous to Apple Silicon being announced, so it was obvious they would be light years ahead of NI who had old GUIs and frameworks for them from in some cases 15 years ago according to their reps. That's not the case though, they obviously have some lower level stuff to deal with, like how NI waited so long they're dealing with VST3, Apple Silicon and resizable GUIs all at once. 

 Arturia and Audio Ease are the big ones on my list left now. 

To be fair, Reaper, Digital Performer, and Live can run native VST and AU’s alongside Rosetta AU’s for things like VEP. Bitwig has it’s own wrapper for non Apple Silicon ready VST’s, undoubtably a product of it’s plug in sandboxing. I would bet Studio One can as well, Cubase might be the only DAW that can’t run native VSTs if it wants to run non native plug ins as well, since the only other VST only can.  

I'm running DP11 in native Apple Silicon mode, the issue isn't that you have to run your DAW in Rosetta it's that you have to run the VEP plug in, in AU, so no VST or MAS version for instance, and no running older projects. For Cubase this doesn't work I would suppose. 

 the worst part to me is that personally all that needs changing is the VEP plug in itself, I don't plan on running the server on Apple Silicon here, since I have 96GB on the old Mac Pro and it works just fine. I'm almost willing to bet that VSL doesn't release the AS native VEP version until their Syncron players and the rest of their products are native as well. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I just get the feeling that they wouldn't want to release the server as native without their own products being able to be used in it natively. 

They did say that it was in beta, but the same guy from VSL who said that also thought the VST VEP plug in was already native, so take that for what it is. 

To be fair personally, I have a longer list than just VEP: Reason Rack, IK T-Racks and ARC, Audio Ease Altiverb and Speakerphone, Reaktor, Battery, half of PSP, AudioFinder etc. etc. 

 VEP just happens to be the one that holds up real progress by forcing Rosetta on the DAW to use the MAS version. 

So the VEP AU plug in runs in Rosetta on Apple Silicon Macs with the DAW running native. I suppose there's some convoluted way to run something like Blue Cats Patchwork in AAX to host the AU VEP plug in, inside Pro Tools, but if you're going this route the best bet is DP11 which hosts AU natively. The issue is like Even pointed out that MAS is just better, it's a whole lot of rewriting templates to get decent results and then VSL finally release the native Apple Silicon version with MAS etc. 

The better solution if all you do is orchestral work is to run the DAW in Rosetta, use the actual MAS etc. plugin you want to use, and use your 5,1 as a slave. 

While I can mostly agree with this, but it's been 2 1/2 years since Apple Silicon was announced, along with developer Minis, and 2 years since the first M1 Macs came out. I was around for the first transition from PPC to Intel machines, and I remember only NI dragging their feet a little, they had foolishly not headed Apples warnings to switch from Codewarrior to to Xcode. 

  Part of the problem is Rosetta this time works really pretty well, a maybe 10% CPU hit on average, but it doesn't work at all for VST and MAS if the DAW is not in Rosetta. So the hit is compounded when your DAW is also in Rosetta. Anyway I thought the VEP plug in would be a rather quick port considering the opportunity for VSL to pick up new customers as people used VEP to transition, but that's not the case apparently. 

OK you might not be responding now, but I'm still confused as to why you wouldn't know that nothing about VEP is Apple Silicon ready, but are reporting that the beta is coming along? I'm sorry if I've come across as harsh, it's frustrating that the only person commenting about Apple Silicon support, doesn't know about the current state of Apple Silicon with VEP. The VST and MAS VEP plug ins are currently only possible if the DAW is in Rosetta, barring Bitwig which can wrap Rosetta VSTs like Apple does for AU. 

 It's a mess, and it will be a mess until VSL complete the transition, it's why you see people talking about other solutions in this thread, or the guy above my post just slamming VSL. It's really too bad, because I'm probably not alone in having kept a Mac Pro with 12 cores being a great server withe an Apple Silcon laptop that will be a great DAW host once everything is Apple Silicon ready. 

So you're a platform loyalist, Ugh! Why are you the only person from VSL that is replying in this thread then? It makes your announcement of Apple Silicon in beta that much more useless that you "don't care about Mac Issues". 

Why would anyone work for a cross platform company and not follow their own companies compatibility issues, that have been going on for two years now? I'm sorry but this is one of the worst most dismissive responses I've seen from a company in years. I'm not trying to be harsh, but I have no idea if you're paid or not for participating in the forums, I'm glad someone does that's not even an issue. It isn't as much of an issue to me as the fact that you openly admit you don't know or care about issues for half of your own companies customers.

  You deserve this dressing down, pay attention to your own products issues on both platforms, and don't act rude when people call you out for not knowing two year old information about your own product. You're literally adding flame to the fire here. 

Ugh! this is pretty depressing when someone from VSL doesn't even know their own products compatibility status. No, the VEP plug in is not Apple Silicon native, only the AU version will run in a native DAW. 

The solution of having VSL code the plug itself to be native first and foremost was suggested in this thread a couple years ago. It makes total sense, and would have been and ideal solution until the rest of the application could make it over, it did not happen. 

This sounds like it's in beta

Ofd course things can pop up and send it back to alpha but December sounds reasonable to predict. My issue is I suspect they just "had" to get all of their products besides VEP AS ready as well, which makes it slow to fruition. :-/ 

Now that you've come to DP and all, have you checked out Logic's multi port MIDI In update in the last year or so? I haven't stressed it since Logic is not my main DAW, but you can now by track, choose not just the channel but the port. I've been thinking this whole thread that it might be that his Environment for multi port MIDI in Logic is conflicting with Logics new Multi MIDI in port capability?

Seems like it's worth a try, and if it doesn't then DP or bust! 

Hopefully that's the truth. NI, Audio Ease and VSL are my biggest laggers, and NI is oddly stepping out in front with Kontakt and Guitar Rig both AS ready.  

It's not luck, Audio Units are the only plug in format that can run in a native DAW in Rosetta, and they likely tested this with Logic in house. Using AU's in Rosetta while Logic runs in native Apple Silicon is literally the best case scenario right now. 

Digital Performer and Cubase offer arguably better solutions than AU with VST3 and MAS, which can only run if the DAW itself is in Rosetta, which compounds the CPU hit that Rosetta brings. Plus again, if VSL had been an early adopter I'm certain they would have had a nice spike in sales, since most people do keep an old x86 Mac around to run plug ins that are not ready even for Rosetta or will never run natively. IMO it was a missed opportunity. 

  OK so my last post seems a bit harsh, but let's look at one simple obviously not scientific but glaring example of why thinking that Apple Silicon support is a low priority is a blatantly bad business move. This thread has 13,903 views, look at the other threads here and tell me this isn't an important topic? There was a comment from a VSL employee here in the forums on the thread on the iLok transfer stating that there weren't that many users using M1 Macs, wonder why this is a hot topic then right? 

Looks like a new iLok only update, and no Apple Silicon support..
What a complete mess this is, VSL could have taken the time to do this and had new customer based on compatibility and usefulness when porting to the new format, but that’s long gone now.. Ugh, I often wonder how companies stay in business with these sorts of decisions?