Thanks, Christian, for the clarification!

So can I assume that VE Pro will also be reasonably priced like VE3?

And is there a realstic release date please

Thanks

Nigel

I see Vienna Ensemble 3 is out-is this what you mean by VE Pro? It would be way too expensive for me; I understand that it is a convolution reverb & much more, but I'm simply interested in an efficient networking host for AU Instruments. Maybe there are already other good & reasonably priced solutions for this (Mac & PC), or will there be a "VE Pro" or "VE3 Light" offering this without the other functions?

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Nigel

sorry if this is a silly question but I haven't find the answer elsewhere-

is Vienna Ensemble exclusively for the Vienna Instruments, or can I use it to host, for instance, Spectrasonics Atmosphere? Yes or no will be an adequate answer ;-)

I know there are other VST hosts available but I think they all require network audio MIDI to be handled separately, whereas VE seems a very elegant & integrated solution. 

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NIgel

I mean the Concert Guitar as well as Overdrive. I bought the original products and I'm not quite clear whether there has been any kind of reprogramming for the VI.

I rarely really use them, because although they sound great, getting around the samples in exs24 was a PITA. I could imagine the guitar instruments would benefit hugely from a decent interface.

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Nigel

many thanks Paul!

It all seemed simple when I first tried it, but obviously something was wrong- I'll try it this way, again.

best wishes

Nigel

I tried installing once already & gave up because nothing worked....now I'm hoping for a few words from the wise, would appreciate a quick pointer:

1) what are the default installation locations? Are they compulsory, and do they have to have specific names for everything to work?

2) Can I install the content on my network RAID volume (I don't have the space on my internal drive)?

Excuse my wanting to shortcut the RTFM process, but time is short and I'm sure it can't be that hard really!!! ;-)

Thanks!

Nigel

cm,

I appreciate your post, thank you. I'll pass your suggestions on to my Tech.

One thing we didn't know is that a RAID 5 array-which is what we have- drops rapidly in performance when over 80% full. We've reached that level so obviously that is the first place to start tackling the problem. In that respect, increasing capacity is clearly neccessary, and it could be a good approach to take advantage of newer, bigger drives and keep some data locally on the individual workstations as you suggest.

The crash log on the File Server reports "trying to write data to corrupt node". That doesn't give direct clues as to where the problem lies, only perhaps to its nature.

We do have Gigabit, and we will do some testing at the weekend to see if a better switcher improves the performance. The file server is actually on 10.4.8, just the workstations are not yet.

Somehow it's been a lucky week and after a very trying start (when I wrote this original post), we had no more problems and were able to work normally. I'm grateful for that. Those small hours of the morning when the deadline is creeping up and the system is not working properly can be quite a trial.

I'll report when we've done some testing-thanks for any further input

Nigel

Is anyone out there using Logic on a network together with other composers, with shared samples and audio on an external RAID system via File Server? If you are, can you please offer some advice on what does work, because at the moment our system does not!

We are a studio with 3 workspaces & 3 G5 Macs, making music for TV and media. Our samples and our music archive are on 2 separate RAID 5 configurations of about 2TB each. The samples are on one of the RAIDS, most of the music Archive on the other RAID. A G4 Dual operates as file server. Our RAID system hardware is custom, not Apple's X-serve.

This system served us well for a year or two, but now we are having extreme difficulties for the second time in several months. The system has actually had a heavier load because in the last few months we went from 2 Workspaces to 3, but it's hard to make a direct correlation between this and the current problems.

What's happening is that repeatedly the data on the RAID system becomes unavailable -samples get cut off, and in exs24 you can see the "couldn't get samples in time" error. The problem is probably more serious than just a bottleneck of data because when it occurs, files also become inaccessible via the Finder: in other words, we can navigate through the folder structure within the Finder, but the individual files themselves can't be previewed as is usually possible from the Finder; when you click on the Preview triangle (for an Audio file let's say) there is the message "fetching", and you wait....and wait. Generally a Restart of Logic, or a Fileserver Restart cures the problem but only for a very short time (sometimes minutes, sometimes hours) before it crops up again. Basically, communication between the Workspaces and the RAID system at file level is hung up or lost completely/

This problem caused our File Server computer to have Kernel Panics (last Autumn) and we thought there was a Data Registry problem on one of the RAID systems, so we re-initialized the RAID hoping that would cure it. Things went fine for a few months, but last week the File Server had a KP again and according to my computer Tech the problem is similar to the one we had before.

We have multiple deadlines every week, and I originally chose this system for its capacity and reliability as our organization has expanded. As a temporary workaround we can put essential data on the individual computers, but that is of limited use (limited capacity) and creates major problems knowing who has the most recent versions of a project. At the weekend we will try out a different File Server configuration - a G5 and a more powerful Switcher. What I don't know is whether the problems are hardware-based or actually a result of using Logic on a Network, which perhaps it was never intended for.

Any feedback/advice/suggestions would be much appreciated. We're all on Logic 7.2.3 under OS 10.4.7.

Thanks very much

Nigel

actually, I'm so busy, I've only used Keymap for quick Instrument building so far....it's about 20 times faster using drag'n'drop than the old "load files" within Logic's exs24 editor method...so sorry, Plowman, haven't gone into Keymap that much ....Y-E-T!!!!! []

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Nigel

I personally am HUGELY grateful anytime Andrea posts any information here, because it means that many users can benefit, whereas the indivdual support (which Andrea also does briliiantly!) is only of personal benefit. So I think all the Redmatica fans here- and we are quite a few- would say that any contribution from Andrea is an ENHANCEMENT of this excellent forum....right, Plowman? Musos? Rino? Everybody [] ?

Nigel

Thanks Plowman!!



Nigel

Ok...thanks for the input- it seems the solution is simple: if, in File/Project Settings, "copy exs Instruments" is ticked, the song takes much longer to save, even without any Instruments loaded in the Song!

Perhaps Logic does some kind of scan when this option is ticked, which slows down the Save.

HTH (well of course it's helped me hehe :wink

Nigel

Needless to say, I'm blown away by Keymap.

A suggestion: it would be great if the Undo function would list what will actually get "undone", similar to Logic or most word processors-thanks!

Nigel

Well, Andrea, it's been a long wait, but I think you can at last have your first beer now the work is done

I wonder what your 'next' project will be (when you've finished the beer, I mean)

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Nigel

Both the Concert and the E-Guitar are prime candidates for the VI. Some time back I think it was confirmed that they would be coming in the VI format -is there a target date for this, please?

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Nigel

Thanks Christian- it *is* hard to follow all the permutations - it would be simplest if we could see in the discount calculator just what pricing is available, according to what we have previously registered, and with the additional information that mentions special (i.e introductory) offers, etc.

I see the Discount Calculator is offline, so does that mean it's being updated for this purpose, please?

Thank you

Nigel

Well I'm not sure....if you haven't bought the VI editions of Orchestral Strings, even though you bought Performance & Pro Strings, it seems there will be no discount at all. In my case have FE complete and ProPerformance set, and I only bought the Chamber Strings as VI so far. So I don't think my older Strings registrations will be of any benefit. It would of course be nice if there could be some sort of introductory offer which helps a wider group of us old "VIP" users.

It's a complex business, this "being fair" , ain't it? []

Nigel

I just downloaded the manual -25MB- and I'm actually impressed this giant of software has arrived so quickly

Worth the wait, no question!

Nigel

Ok, thanks Andrea, much appreciated!!

best wishes

Nigel

Andrea

thanks for the reply!

Do I understand this correctly: that even if Logic continues to present an error message when loading an instrument ( such as "XW1.089.Dopplers_Slow_Wi#1dd08 not found") , the instrument will nonetheless load its samples and be playable, provided the Relink with Exs Manager was successful?

Is that what you mean by "ExsManager knows how to handle this automatically"?

Thanks again

Nigel

Thanks Christian!- I suspect the problem occured because the samples are on our server. However, it's weird that the Finder and exs Manager shows the correct name , but Logic still looks for the cryptic name.

I'm just now using RenamerForMac - a great utility!-to shorten the names and then I'll just have to construct the exs Instruments again, by hand.

Cheers

Nigel

I have the problem that even though I have successfully relinked instruments with exs Manager, Logic is expecting the samples to have other -odd- names.

Logic is looking for an Audio File

XW1.089.Dopplers_Slow_Wi#1dd08

In the Finder and in exs Manager, the sample is shown as:

XW1.089.Dopplers_Slow_WipesLong_05.aif

Has anyone else had this problem & can suggest a fix, please?

Thanks!

Nigel

Hi Christian

thank you for the informed input!

The Network is configured with afp. We tried nfs briefly, which would have solved the Logic permissions problem but brought other challenges (for instance iTunes, which we use for previewing and indexing all our music -currently around 13000 entries -would lose all its references meaning a major reimport job). So we went back to afp until we can find another solution.

Our network is- I think - fairly unrestricted- at any rate all Users (there are 3 of us) can access anything anywhere on the system. But I'd have to check with our Mac Tech to be sure.

best

Nigel

Logic won't allow fades on audio files which are on networked drives, even though in the Mac Finder (10.4.7) the Info window says "you can read & write".

This is really stupid, because if you have a RAID server for storing songs and audio (as we do in our studio) pretty much all the audio is on the RAID drives, obviously -it's a) much safer there and b) accessible for all networked Users .

The workaround is for the User to save the song as a Project on his/her own (local) drive; then fades are permitted by Logic.

Afterwards you can copy everything back onto the RAID system. But this means as a consequence that there are multiple copies of songs and audio files and it's a major job to know which one is the current or master copy. Serious chaos potential!!

Nigel

Colin, Dom,

thanks for the feedback - interesting suggestions!

How do you turn project manager off though? If you don't load it on startup-which I don't anymore as it does take a long time- surely it's not active?

I don't know how to check whether Project manager is active in a song. If you do open PM and then close the PM window, it's no longer "visible" in the song. If it isn't open, it's then not saved with the song or the screen set AFAIK.

best,

Nigel