I wonder whether it might be helpful to make that point in the product description?

One compositional observation I could make is that such a long reverb poses some interesting challenges and opportunities for the type of music one makes to work with it. 

In the longer term I will need to figure out if it is possible to generate any surround-sound (such as binaural) mixes with MIRPro3D if the audio is being exported from Sibelius.

Thanks for clarifying this. It was only looking for the non-existing roles that was the problem - I have everything else working and visible (the 9-10 second reverb length is wild!).

Hello Dietz,

I've just invested in Room pack 3 for MIR Pro3D.

When I click on 'Roles' in the Steinhofkirche GUI neither of the Room pack 3 venues appear. I can see Teldex / Gateshead / Pernegg / Synchron (of the room packs I don't have) plus Room pack 1 (which I do), but nothing for pack 3. Pack 3 is listed on Options - Preferences in the same location as pack 1 on my external hard drive. The instruments are all visible in the church graphic.

Can you explain what has happened to these roles for pack 3?

With thanks.

Hello Andi,

I solved it. When I right-clicked on the master channel I was choosing MIRacle from the Integrated list. Below that under VSL there is another list (which includes the effects from Vienna Suite) with MIRacle also, and that brings up the missing GUI.

With thanks

Hello Andi,

If I insert MIRacle on a master channel in VE I get the small blue label saying MIRacle and 'integrated' - but when I click on it it doesn't open the UI for MIRacle as pictured in the manual. Is this right?

I'm on the free licence currently, and I don't have VEPro - either of these the cause?

Thanks.

Hello again Dietz,

It looks like in MIR roles, under Dimension Strings, Cello Player 5's preset is missing. Am I right, or did you know this already?

Also, does MIR Pro's audio output return to VE? This would mean any effect applied to the master channel in VE would be post-MIR (?). 

Thanks.

Hello Andi,

I've been greatly enjoying a free licence to explore MIR Pro3D.

If using Sibelius to export the final audio (in stereo) after processing by MIR, is it possible to get the MIRacle plugin to work within Sibelius before that export? Does MIRacle have to be on the Active Device list (it isn't at present)? Or can it be inserted via the Sibelius Mixer FX? In which case, how does Sibelius find it?

With thanks.

Hello Dietz,

Thanks for the helpful answers.

Hello Dietz,

I have MIR opening now. The only thing I haven't seen so far is the option to choose the audio format. I'm working in stereo so I guess this doesn't matter at present, and if the audio signal is travelling from MIR back to Sibelius before export then stereo is the only possible final outcome (?).

I have had several sessions trying out various features. It is very impressive, so congratulations all round. I have worked with a number of reverbs in the past 15 years or so within the sample orchestra world and MIR sounds very good. The main gain for me is the help with the issue of perceived depth to the sound.

I have a few questions:

Is there a way of raising the overall volume of the stereo signal before it leaves MIR? At present it is on the quiet side even with the volume levels in VE fairly high.

Does the Natural Volume feature in MIR over-ride the volume levels in VE?

I'm using Vienna Suite's Eq presets in VE. Are there equivalent presets in MIR? Does this amount to duplication of effect?

And finally a +1 to the suggestion made by another poster on the forum that the brightness of the MIDI activity in the instruments could be a bit brighter.

With thanks.

Hello Dietz,

Again, thanks for the quick reply.

I can launch the empty MIR outside of VE and Sibelius, and I can load a venue from Room Pack 1.

In VE preferences MIR, MIR Pro eq and MIRacle are all showing up; also MIR's own logo. I've done rescans here to make sure.

Open New Project on VE's menu does not offer MIR, just a change in the content of VE.

On the bottom left 'insert a new plugin after this channel' in VE MIR is still not showing - perhaps this is correct.

As mentioned before I can add the red Mir Pro inline to any instrument channel and clicking on this opens the small GUI of dry/wet and volume.

In Sibelius MIR doesn't show up on the active devices list, but it does appear under Master Insert Effects, along with the VIenna Suite plugins. But this would add it to the final master stereo which is the wrong place, is it not? And I have the impression MIR doesn't need to be an active device in Sibelius?

So I think the issue is missing steps for what happens inside VE. For example, if the red inline is activated for every instrument in an VE instance, how then does MIR open fully inside VE? And what if there is more than one instance of VE? 

There is a complicated heirarchy of processing (Sibelius, VIPro, VE, MIR) which is difficult to grasp.

I hope this makes plain the problem.

Hello Dietz,

Thanks for your response. I'll just mention again that I'm using VE not VEPro7. I'm also working with Sibelius. Currently MIR is not appearing in the Available devices list inside Sibelius. Should it?

I can see MIR and MIRacle have installed in the Avid VST folder and also in the VST2 and VSt3 folders. I used VIenna Assistant to download and install. MIR was a download; the Room Pack was installed from the VIenna hard drive. I have the 30-day licences on the iLok activated.

MIR is on the C drive and the Room Pack has installed itself on a G drive (an external SSD). In the Directory Manager a rescan does not show the Room Pack but it does show the instrument content in G drive.

The page you referred to states: 

'In VE Pro, click the New Project icon on the Menu Icon Bar at the top, or select the respective command from the “File” pull-down menu. A dialog window will open and ask you to select the desired channel configuration; please select a format from the list of pre-configured setups ...  The new Vienna Ensemble project will create a Master Bus with the chosen number of output channels, including a full-fledged panner.'

None of this is happening. The new project menu simply opens another instance of VE, there is no new master bus, and no default GUI of the venue.  The Insert Plugins button at the bottom left of VE does not list MIR.

So I am stuck at this point.

Can someone point me in the direction of instructions which make it clear how to set up MIR Pro 3D in Vienna Ensemble? I note there have been other threads where the same problem is raised.

It seems the manual can only be downloaded one page at a time and not as a single pdf. I've looked on youtube for videos by VSL (and anyone else) for a basic step-by-step set-up and all seem to start too far along the process or are not using Vienna Ensemble but working in another DAW.

In this VSL video     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaZw_av0TYI    it states at the outset that integration with V Ensemble will be in 'the next video'. So, where is the next video?

Currently I can right-click on a single instrument in Ensemble and get a red Inline label which then reveals the single instrument MIR Pro dry/wet and vol GUI. Does this have to be done for every single instrument?

How then does the main MIR / venue GUI appear?

(VSL told me that MIR Pro 3D will work with the free version of Vienna Ensemble.)

Clear instructions from any source would be much appreciated.

Hello Andi,

I've been reading about VEPro7 recently (I'm using the free version of VE at present). I've read that it is possible in VEPro7 to have collections / instruments in a single instance that require different soundsets in Sibelius. This seems pretty amazing, after many years of setting up separate VE instances for different soundsets. How does VE7Pro manage to do this?

Best wishes,

Thanks Andreas.

I have a question concerning how Vienna Ensemble 7 can be used, beyond how I tend to use it. I'm considering a purchase of Abbey Rd Drummer which runs in Kontakt. I've read it is possible to write a drum track in notation in Sibelius and export this as MIDI into a software such as Reaper which when linked to the Kontakt player will enable the drums to be triggered by the imported MIDI from Sibelius. My question is whether Vienna Ensemble 7 can take the place of Reaper in this scenario?

With thanks.

Hello VSL,

I'm currently in the process of setting up a new machine and converting to iLok, etc.

At present, when I launch Vienna Assistant from Settings in Windows 10 (there's no desktop icon?) I get a User Account Control message asking 'Do you want to allow this app to make changes to your device'. I'm used to seeing this when installing new software, but I am already using the VA (have successfully downloaded one instrument and now have the V Hard Drive to download from).

I'm not clear whether an instrument which is downloaded online or downloaded from the V Hard Drive is also therefore installed - is installation a separate process?

Through the VA I was able to download VIPro 'compatability' version but the other VIPro would not download.

Sorry if these questions seem obvious.

Hello VSL,

I can't find the link to be able to see crossgrade prices for changing from VI Flute 1, French Oboe, Cor Anglais and Clarinet Bb 1 to the synchronized equivalent. There are prices for the additional woddwinds bundle but not within the main woodwind bundle, where a click on the instrument names doesn't lead anywhere.

Many thanks.

I have an additional question, perhaps Andi can advise on this: can the time-stretching feature in the Synchron player for vibrato be triggered when playing back from Sibelius? I've not yet migrated to the Synchron player so I am curious to know about functionality for Sibelius users when using Synchron-ized or Synchron string libraries.

Thanks.

I'd like to know what kind of experience people have had using the Synchron player with Sibelius. How does it compare to using Vienne Ensemble / Vienna Instrument Pro? I'm not concerned at this stage with any particular Synchron library; it's more the ease with which articulations can be triggered, and control over the various parameters compared to VE/VIP. Any thoughts appreciated.

Thanks.

Thanks Dietz, that is very helpful - for my specific question and more broadly.

Hello VSL,

Having just purchased Vienna Suite I am in the process of applying it to many already existing projects.

My question: is there some form of 'global' command that will assign any of the Suite's plugins to multiple instruments within an instance of Ensemble. For example, if my Ensemble contains 12 instruments, assigning the Exciter, Equalizer, Compressor and Powerpan plugins would require 12x4 separate actions. Is there a quicker way to do this?

Many thanks.

Hello Andi,

I'm considering investing in the Vienna Suite. My question concerns the Vienna Suite instrument presets. I'm currently loading the Sibelius presets of the libraries I own into VPro. Can you explain how the Vienna Suite presets would relate to those loaded into VPro? I'm unable to visualize this process.

(I'm assuming there is compatability).

Thanks.

Hello Andi,

Thanks for that tip about 'Play notes as you edit'.

I've had a similar problem with several big scores. I just wanted to confirm that I also think the problem lies with Sibelius. I wondered whether it was also a graphics issue, since I get screen white-outs and hanging for several seconds when the problem happens.

Hello Andi,

I'm not clear how to trigger certain sounds in the Percussion group from the Special Edition if using Sibelius. Sibelius has a percussion line named Thundersheet. and a note placed on that triggers one of the sounds for it. But the manual says there are other Thundersheet samples mapped C1-B1. What commands trigger those? I can't see anything on this in the Optimize manual, though I can see instructions for some of the other percussion instruments such as metal chimes.

With thanks.

FWIW I would like to add my support to this also. The integration with Sibelius is time-consuming and unreliable in my experience. You only need to look at the opening pages of the Optimizing With Sibelius manual (which is invaluable BTW) to see how many links there are in the chain and how many chances there are for things to go wrong. The proposed 'Vienna Score' would not need anything like the features Sibelius has because the latter was originally designed for engraving - for printing out scores - playback was secondary. A VSL-dedicated software would only need to concentrate on playback and need only work with VSL libraries. It would also mean VSL users would be finally set free from bugs etc which may exist in Sibelius and the dreaded Sibelius Mixer.