Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi, 

We might add demo licenses later on in the introduction period for our super-sceptical users .  

There are some demos, tutorials, reviews and walkthroughs still in the works, which will provide more information. 

Best, 
Paul

Sounds good! I'm not sceptical at all, but it's always better to be able to play the instruments instead of listening to demos. ;)

I have so many VSL libraries and I don't know if I really need these, although they do sound gorgeous (the same for the brass!).

P.S. I read somewhere that you have to pay for the demo downloads (traffic). Maybe you could make demo licenses for a very low price, e.g. 5 Euros. I would rather prefer paying this small amount instead of paying the introduction price. Just an idea...

Do you plan to release demo versions, too? 

Hi everyone,

what happens when you combine different reverb lengths? Are they summed up?

For example, you have:

• VI instrument, Silent Stage: approx. 0.7
• MIR Pro Teldex: max. 1.7

If I use the full MIR Pro reverb length, will I get 2.4 or a result closer to 1.7?

Good catch! I want to know, too.

I can see updates for Vienna Choir, Vibraphone and Harmonium.

There were so many releases lately, but only very little I was interested in. I'm wondering if there are any silent stage libraries in the pipeline (sooner or later)? And I hope VSL won't stop recording or abandon the silent tage for good.

Thanks.

Thanks, again! And thanks that my suggestions are welcomed! :)

Concerning the IRs in the Synchron Player:
I don't really know... I compared the SYNCHRON-ized SE with instruments in MIR Pro.

Example:
https://www.vsl.co.at/de/Starter_Editions/Synchronized_Special_Edition_Bundle#!Gui

On the third screenshot you can see that the Solo Cello has a reverb length of 1.1s, but actually it's 1.38s. It's very misleading. What's the purpose? This was also why I was asking about different lengths.

Many thanks for your thorough answers!

I think that "Consider Microphone Offset" is deactived by default (in MIR Pro and VE Pro), but I'm not sure at the moment. I was just wondering, because I had the setting deactivated and couldn't remember. Maybe it could be integrated into the MIRx settings, so that it automatically get switched on?

And I have another question: Do instruments also have different reverb lengths in addition to their dry/wet ratio? While creating my own MIR settings I compare to other, wet libraries on the market, and I noticed that strings seem to have a longer reverb than brass instruments. I'm not sure if this reflects the "real" behaviour of the instrument or if the reverb length have been shortened on purpose.

In the Synchron Player the IR lengths also show that there are different lengths for the instruments, e.g. brass 0.9s, woodwinds 1.0s and strings 1.1s.

I know that you are working on a next version of MIR Pro. Maybe it would be nice to be able to change the IR lengths per instrument? At the moment it's not possible and it's crazy to have each isntrument in their own MIR Pro instance.

I always use the room tone in MIR Pro, because it glues the instruments together and gives a more rounded, realistic impression.

I'm wondering if there is a chance to get it to the Synchron Player? Maybe with a simple button to be turned on/off. Or is it already burnt into the IRs?

Hi Dietz,

I'm wondering if ...

• Consider Microphone Offset
• Air Absorption

... have to be enabled or disabled when using your MIRx settings in MIR Pro? I'm asking, because in the Teldex venue the main microphone is put further back. And I read somewhere that you prefer(ed) not to use air absorption in general.

Thanks.

This (and also your other mock-ups) sound(s) amazing! 

May I ask which settings you used in MIR Pro? This is exactly the sound (dry/wet ratio) I like and I'm trying to achieve. Often I simply don't know which settings to use. Maybe you could share your MIR Pro template or do a walkthrough? :)

Thanks Dietz!

I was talking about screenshots for the SYNCHRON-ized version. I already have your "template" with a screenshot of all instruments in the wide orientation, but it would be nice to have the sections separately. There are already screenshots in the thread, but only for the narrow orientation.

Totally forgot this thread. Thanks for all your answers!

But why are the MIRx settings going to be different? Wouldn't it be nice to have the same settings? And I hope we get the second violins on the left. :)

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The second thing I totally forgot about is that the instrument icons in MIR Pro actually show you the dry/wet ratio. I have the screenshot of the wide orientation, but it's tricky to see with all the instruments overlapping.

Is it possible to get screenshots of the wide orientation for each section (strings, woodwinds, brass etc.)? And maybe for the dimension products, because these were missing on the screenshot?

This would be really helpful. Thanks!

I was not talking about you primarily. And it shouldn't sound in any way impolite or anything like this. I asked several people and got different answers which always sounded like a consolation for a postponement which will never happen. Thanks for clarifying that there is "no devilish plan" involved. :)

But to be honest: It's only very odd that these technical issues are already several years back (I can't remeber the exact year). In the meantime the SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions have been released. I'm wondering how can this be? Aren't these the MIRx settings? Probably I don't know much about these things...

I'm very looking forward to the release.

Originally Posted by: Dietz

Originally Posted by: Pixelpoet1985

[...] I don't think there will be a Synchron MIRx release [...]

Quite contrary - I work on it as we speak. Just don't expect an release too soon, please; there's still an awful lot to be done.

Okay, sounds very (!) good, but I've heard this before several times from different people. I don't know what to believe. We've been talking about this for years. :(

I don't want a release date, but if this is actually an official statement saying that there will be a Synchron MIRx... this is awesome. I only wished this statement were made by VSL earlier, instead of neglecting all the other threads here in the forum don't saying anything about it.

But is there a coarse shedule? I mean can we expect a release this year? Because then I don't have to make all the effort on my own.

Thanks, Dietz!

Thanks for your answers! :)

So this means that e.g. the cellos with 30% dry/wet in the Synchron Player are actually only 24% for example? This is the same behaviour with MIRx in VI Pro, isn't it? The standard value of 63 ("new zero") represents an individual value in the background.

Oh my ... I though it would be much easier to mimic the Synchron settings. I thought all instruments are set to 30% dry/wet ratio, and I'm fine with it.

As I don't think there will be a Synchron MIRx release, it's really frustrating to make all these settings on my own. Can the Teldex MIRx settings be a good starting point, because it's also a scoring stage? Or are the dry/wet ratios really that different with each room (more or less)?

I'm trying to make my own MIRx version with the "templates" Dietz provided here in this thread. Thanks again for giving us these! It's a good starting point and I stumbled upon some more questions. Maybe Dietz can chime in...

I'm talking about the SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions here.

1. In the Synchron Player nearly all instruments (with only some exceptions) have the same dry/wet setting, e.g. 30% with the classic preset. I'm wondering why, because if I take the Teldex MIRx settings I can see very different settings between the instruments (e.g. violins at 42% and cellos at 28%). Is this dependent on the room itself? Or do the instruments indeed have individual settings "in the background"?
2. In the "template" the reverb length is 1.38. Do all instruments have this value? I'm asking, because in the Synchron Player the instruments have individual values when you open the IR module (e.g. the solo violin has 1.1 and the clarinet has 0.9). 
3. Do all instruments share the same microphone settings? Maybe some have the secondary one deactivated?

Many thanks in advance.

I still need the sul tastos, but more articulations are welcomed.

+1

And also a FX collection (Glissandi etc.).

Thanks, Dietz. That's it.

What about the instruments in the SYNCHRON-ized libraries? They all are volume balanced. Are these approximately the same settings? Or are these "closer to the real thing"? 

I'm asking, because I only use the Synchron Stage venue recently. 

Thanks, Dietz. But I'm still unsure. ;)

Of course, I want both features switched on. 

• Do you mean that the Natural Volume settings are "correct" in the "pop mix mode" and I always have to manually adjust the levels when switching the features on?
• Or are the settings "correct" when both features are switched on? If the settings are referenced to a real orchestra, then I think these values should take distance and air absorption into consideration, shouldn't they?

[ EDIT: Maybe the question was not clear. ;) ]

Natural Volume is one of my favourite features. But I'm wondering how it interacts with Distance Dependent Scaling.

If Distance Dependent Scaling is turned on, more distant instruments sound (a bit) quieter. Is this taken into consideration when using Natural Volume?

I'll give it another try. 

As I said: This can be tedious with the dimension series. I'm doing the following to the transposed players, with good results:

1. Use another preset (slow or fast). Or use a preset with more delay (md). Or, if you have the time, change tuning curves on your own.
2. Use an increased tuning and delay value (humanization).*

* As I don't know how you handle humanization, I list my values:

• Humanization: always 127
• Tuning: up to 40 for the normal players, up to 80 for the transposed ones
• Delay: up to 20 for the normal players, up to 60 for the tranposed ones

Hope this helps!

So, we're talking about the same thing. With second violins I mean the tranposed ones.

I can only repeat my previous suggestions. Or you have to make presets on your own.

Why do you want to do this? 

For each (dimension) player there are different humanization settings, they never start with the same tuning. 

Or are you talking about the transposed players (2nd violins)? 

This can be tedious with the dimension series, I know it. The suggestion from jasensmith is good, but it's only possible to turn them off with repetitions, not with the humanization pattern, isn't it? If it's possible, I would turn off the first, third, etc. cells. You don't need 12 variations.

I would recommend to use either another preset (slow, fast) or just different values for the humanization/tuning/delay slider. 

I watched the VI Pro video again: Maybe the threshold value could accomplish this?

So, I looked it up... 

For me it works with the MIDI FX Plugin, the pitchwheel is constantly up or down without automation.

1) In VI (Pro) assign pitch to the pitchwheel with the standard curve.

2) In Logic use the Modifier plugin and set velocity as input event (mode is set to thru, of course).

3) Re-assign to either pitchbend up or down.

4) I set scale to 100 % and the add-value all the way up to 126.

I'm using the MIDI FX plugin in Logic with velocity controlling the pitchbend. You can select pitchbend up or down. Actually, since I'm not at my computer right now, I can't remember if velocity was the trigger... :) If I remember correctly, I also changed the controller curve in VI Pro to the highest setting.