Hi guys, and update! Marnix came back to me with a an updated version which fixed the problem immediately, that was great!!

@Dietz: I see, ok! I'll assume this behaviour doesn't have an explanation within MP3D then, I'll email support and see if I can get somewhere!

@Dewdman: I'd be very interested to know if you are getting all the ceiling channels to work correctly back from MP3D, in 7.1.4. I can't get it to work like it should (as per my post). The reason is not about the physical outputs, but before that, it happens at the level of what MP3D is sending back to Logic. 

Hi Dietz

Sorry to bother, I just wanted to check if you saw my reply before the next guy came into the discussion? It described a pretty odd behavior in the ceiling outputs. Is this something you recognize? Or can this have to do with how MP3D communicates back to Logic somehow?

Right, maybe I can email support. There are some weird things going on regarding ceiling channels.

All ways I've tried it, in a 7.1.4 setting, the virtual speakers / matrix display the following behaviour:
The fader volume of TFL raises volume in both TFL and TFR channels. (TFR fader does nothing)
Same with TRL/TRR.
However, they also seem to be re-ordered, so its actually not TFL/TFR/TRL/TRR, like it says in the mixer.

TFL controls output to TFL (and TRL). But TFR does not control TFR (and TRR) as might be expected. Rather, It is the TRR fader that controls those two channels.

To make it clear:
TFL: controls TFL and TRL
TFR: does nothing
TRL: does nothing
TRR: controls TFR and TRR.

This has the odd effect that in a 7.1.2 setting, I'm not able to get any sound at all from the Right side, since those faders needed are no longer present in the matrix display.

I'm very very excited about this in any case, so no need to apologize. Happy to help reporting on any issues regarding integration with Logic, as well as doing experiments, if needed.

So this mean, as I understand it, that there is nothing to assign to the LFE channel?

Also, I can't quite get the ceiling channels to play ball. There seems to be no signal present going from MP3D to Logic in the Top Surround Rear mics, even though those are present in the virtual loudspeaker list, as well as in the matrix. Unlike the other channels, I don't get anything into Logic from them..

Hello Dietz!

Just now starting to play around with MP3D in my newly installed 7.1.4 setup in my studio! Much fun! However, I'm trying to work out some initial glitches to get me started.

In LPX, I'm choosing 7.1.4 as the format. And then adding the 7.1.4 version of the MP3D plugin. However, when selecting the 7.1.4 preset in immersive format, I get a warning for wrong number of channels (as per the attached image). I'm trying to figure out how to think about this and how to get it right.
The output section of MP3D shows 12 channels, so I'm not really sure which are the 11 channels referred to. Is that because there's no LFE among the virtual loudspeakers?

PS, the channels doesn't correspond to the logic setup, but I suppose I can just change that in the Decoder Output Matrix to make sure each channel goes to the right place in Logic?

Hi Dietz

Thank you so much for your reply, and for your hard work with MIR Pro 3D!

The release of 3D coincided (by chance) with my decision to add an 7.1.4 setup to my studio. I chose this setup because of client demands basically, but I'm very very excited to get into it, and the release of MIR 3D just increased my excitement by 10x!

I'm not done with the setup quite yet, should be next week or so, but to be able to start implementing MIR 3D in my workflow from the get go is just a dream.

I'm not sure exactly what I can expect here. I guess in my dreams, I'm envisioning being able to think of myself as the microphone, and then pan the instruments around me in 3D space with MIR.
In that sense, having the height information mainly as a panner is not a problem at all for me, but it would be absolutely awesome to have this feature with a keyboard modifier. The user experience would be so much better, at least in this particular case.
I understand your point though, you don't want people to think the height information is "as real" as the 2D positioning.

Maybe it could be added as an option (tick box for allowing height adjustments with Cmnd-drag)? 

Ok, I'm quite sure I'll be feeling very dumb very soon, but can someone explain how to adjust height using the mouse? My hands are instinctively reaching for a key modifier + mouse movement, but I cant find how its done??

Hey guys!

I'm just setting up my studio with an atmos rig, so MIR 3D could not be more anticipated!
Until then though, do you guys have any tips on how you're using MIR Pro in an atmos context currently? I can imagine there are many ways to use it creatively. Would be nice to hear from anyone with experience how you've used it!

Any update in sight for this issue?

Hi Paul!

It would be pretty cool to have presets in those reverbs corresponding as closely as possible to the reverbs in SY Player! Would make a strong argument to get the Vienna Suite as well (at least for me).

To be able to get coherence between the sounds from SYP (which have the sound of the Synchron Stage + the Room and Plate verbs) and other sources you run through MIR Pro (which gets the Synchron Stage sound, but lacks the room and plate) would be really good mix wise!

What would be really cool is to have a Synchron Reverb plugin with those reverbs featured. They would sit on my AUX channel permanently. It would be nice for anyone using SYP I think, even those who are not using MIR Pro, to be able to get that glue that a common reverb gives.

Ok, I understand, thanks for explaining! 

It is a very powerful combo indeed. I have used it that way (VI Dim Strings -> MIR Pro), but since I got the SY Synched Dim Strings I use those instead, as I really love the SY Player these days.

What would be awesome from a mixing perspective (as I mentioned in another thread as well) would be to have access to the room and plate reverbs from Synchron to be able to use those on other sources to get a fully coherent sound.

At least the way I think about it is that sounds in the Synchron Player (Synched Dim Strings, BBO, etc) already have the sound of the Synchron Stage, and then the Room and Plate reverb applied afterwards.

The sounds you run through MIR Pro then also get the Synchron Stage sound, but then there is no way to add the Room and Plate reverbs from SYP, which would add that final piece of ultimate glue. What if those could be added to MIRacle, or be ported to a Synchron Reverb plugin, now that would be awesome!

Well, in a way it doesn't harm anything directly, but I suppose that could be said for most graphic updates. It is however one of the few plugins in my system that still is not retina ready, and reading the text on my 4k screen is quite a challenge. It would definitely be a worthy upgrade for such a lovely piece of software, especially since you have a very nice graphic profile since coming with VE6 and Synchron Player.

Happy users make more users, I guess could be one argument? ;)

Haha, well..... Having non-pixelated, retina-style text seems like the way to go these days. Also the issue becomes a bit more apparent in the attached screen shot, using the resolution of my 4k screen :)

I.e, you would use MIR Pro on the dry VI Dim Strings, but not on the Synchronized new ones, right? (thats the way I understood it to begin with)

Aha, well maybe I just misunderstood then! So the EQ presets in the attached screenshot actually refers not to the SYP ones, but to the VI ones? They are named "Sync'd" because you're kind of making them Sync'd that way?

Is there a graphics update coming to MIR standalone? I didn't realize how much better MIR Pro looks within VEP, when I checked lupine's screenshot above. Here's a screenshot from me for comparison.. 

Friendly bump :)

PS, I'm talking about the Plate Reverbs etc within Synchron Player, to be able to use them on other production elements in your track that are outside of Synchron Player

Hey Dietz!

I think I'm missing something here. Why would MIR Pro have an EQ setting for the sync'd Dim Strings in the Synchron Hall? I thought the sync'd Dim Strings already have the Synchron Stage sound applied to them, and thus it would not make sense to run them through the Synchron Stage one more time. Have I misunderstood something fundamental here?

Very cool! I'll definitely make some new listening sessions with that in mind!

I understand re the 2nd violins, it was just hard to spot this before you told me. Aside from fixing the issue with the mixed up presets, may I give a suggestion to add Violin 2 variations to the root in the preset folders, so that you could chose V1, V2, VA, Cello, Bass, from the same menu, rather than going into to the menu again and selecting I or II (even though V1 and V2 are just variations of the same, it would still seem more elegant in the menu and save some mouse clicks, in my opinion)

Yep, even though technically you of course have access to the accurate presets, knowing that there is consistency in selecting the instruments/presets is quite important, so that we don't have to double check every time. So a fix would be great! And, the General Purpose is pretty key for hybrid mixing so that would be awesome to get fixed in SSV Portrait!

Out of interest, what is your personal view of SSV Wide vs Portrait? When I bought it I was just about to start a project, so I made some quick tests and felt Portrait sounded more natural to my ears, but I didn't really do extensive testing. If you have some thoughts to share that'd be really interesting!

PS, the issue with the flipped presets is present in both Portrait and Wide, unlike the General Purpose issue, which is only in Portrait, it is however not behaving like that when I select any other venue, like The Sage or Teldex

Yes, I realized the issue with the Dimension Violins, as well as a bunch of other presets, is that the default setting is flipped. So that when you load the P1 solo, the Orchestra I slot is the first one, and thus the one selected. But when loading P2 Solo the order is reversed (see screenshot), thus Orchestra II setting is loaded. That explains the randomness with the different players.

Same goes for other presets, like when loading Strings-Violin it defaults to I Solo first chair, but when loading Strings-Violin sord it defaults to Solo center warm. 

Do you see this on your side?

Ok, plot thickens. Turns out that when I flip MIRx settings to Stage A Wide, then things seems to be normal! I'm getting all the options for the General Purpose mic, and the strings are in proper position.

So something is broken with my Stage A presets, but not the A Wide ones, it seems..

Re the violins: I hadn't anticipated that it was on purpose! Because the Sage ones looks very orderly. However, I'm not sure if its correct. This is how it is for me, the Dimension Violin 1
P1 Solo: Normal placement left side
P2 Solo: Backwards, right side
P3 Solo: Backwards, right side
P4 Solo: Normal placement left side
P5 Solo: Normal placement left side
P6 Solo: Normal placement left side
P7 Solo: very far placement left side, behind the mics
P8 Solo: backwards very far out to the right.

This seems a little weird no? And for the General Purpose, I dont have what is in your screen shot at all, I attached a screen shot of what it looks like for me. Perhaps I need to re-install the presets or something?