Originally Posted by: digiot

Originally Posted by: Mavros

Same here Mac OS 12.3.1 latest VEP. Version.I usually open recent projects so I did not notice. I think it has something to do with this VSL helper which seems run each time you open a .vesp file or also a VSL library in a plugin in a daw but which does not open when you click in the finder on the vesp file.

Same here! latest version on iLok! Started for me when switching to iLok! Have to rebuild all my templates since it doesn't seem like VSL wants acknowledging this. Very disappointing from a long time user here!

It started before iLok. Also it has nothing to do with the need to rebuild projects, so not sure you are talking about  the same thing here....

Unfortunately this is still not solved with version 1263.

Paul, what is the procedure going forward with the iLok version and loading pre-iLok projects?
Are these projects intended to just load without problems or do we need to save new versions while still having eLicenser present?

I believe that old projects loaded perfectly fine with the first iLok VEP7 version so I hope it is just a matter of you getting a fix done so it works again:)

EDIT: With 1245 old projects are all loading fine!

Hi.

I can't open ANY projects anymore on Mac after having installed todays "helper" update. All instances just give me a popup window saying "The project you are trying to load is invalid."

How can I roll back to an earlier version? I can't find any older iLok versions of VEP7/helper...?

Also, it's a bit confusing in the Vienna Assistant that there are now two installations under "Software" of Vienna Ensemble Pro 7+Mir Pro. V7.1.1249 and V7.1.77. Even if I install V7.1.77, it is still V7.1.1249 that is installed/running. And the installation sizes are very different between the two - what are they really installing? Helpers, VEP7...?

EDIT: Even if I try using the "Import from project" feature, I get a "Decryption failed with error 2" popup and then nothing happens.

EDIT2: Thankfully I could get working again by uninstalling the iLok version and re-install the eLicenser version. Dont know what's up with the new iLok version.

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi, Thanks for posting... No troubles here with SY Harp 1.1.47 and 1.1.52. If the update doesn't solve this, please send us a copy of the crash report: ! Best,Paul

1.1.52 was the only version I installed. Just bought it yesterday. Amazing harp btw!

Will send a crash report over:) Works perfectly in VEP so I can use it that way no problem.

Anyone else having this problem? Tried rescanning, rebooting etc. It still crashes on validation in Logic.

Logic 10.6.3 here on Mac OS Catalina 10.15.7.

Originally Posted by: EgM

I can confirm that on Mac, loading a .vesp64 file does not load the content of the server project.   On Windows 10, loading a vesp64 project loads everything.

This is on macOS 10.14.6 and Windows 10 20H2 with VEP7-1120

I have the same problem. Introduced with version 7.0.1120 or the one before that. It used to work.

Catalina here, but seems to be a system wide issue.

Thanks civ3 and Paul. It hasnt happened lately with the same project, since I swapped some instances around and such. Seems really random. Will take it up with Orchestral Tools and East West if it comes back and gets too annoying again.

Hi.

I have had this problem pretty much with both VEP6 and 7 since forever, that sometimes some projects will hang while loading. And I can always boil it down to happening when initializing/loading something containing East West PLAY or Orchestral Tools SINE player. It doesn't happen every time I load that project, but maybe 30% of the time I have to force quit VEP and reload, and then it will work the 2nd or 3rd time. 

Is this something you at VSL would look into, or is it something I have to take up with the developers of those plugins?

I am on Mac by the way.

Hi.

I have started using some Synchron Player libraries and it is near impossible to work with this since GUI is sooooo slow. I mean, just opening a patch/matrix list will sloooowly and in jerky movement open up the list of the library's patches. Same goes for choosing mix presets and so. Kontakt seems to fair better here actually. Any idea why this could be happening?

I am working on a 4K display, VEP7 running in server mode, MacOS 10.14.6.

Simon

Originally Posted by: LAJ

Maybe you all should take a break from VSL tonight ... BTW I saw on their Website that the „friends from England“ are releasing tonight! And even if this new product should be no gamechanger it is (hopefully) worth a look/listening.

Break!

Yup, so many great things coming out from many developers these days. We are spoiled.

Originally Posted by: fahl5

Originally Posted by: Simon Ravn

Let me get this straight. You don't post all of those "recordings" of yours to get critique? Why do you do it then? If you don't want responses from your posts, then they are just spam. Choose.

It is kind of striking, that you obvikously cant imagine that a productive musicians like many who post their music here just want to share what they are doing with the great VSL-Products just to pay a productive tribute to the great VSL company and inspire one another all who work with VSL. 

Fahl, I hate to break it to you, but you are posting your mock-ups/renderings-of-existing-music-composed-by-real-composers here, in the Synchron SAMPLE LIBRARY forum. This is not the "Show me your music for inspirational purposes" forum. This is VSL's sample library forum for discussing Synchron libraries, those that you are using for your renderings. So whether you like it or not, obviously your renderings are subject to critique when posted here.

Let me get this straight. You don't post all of those "recordings" of yours to get critique? Why do you do it then? If you don't want responses from your posts, then they are just spam. Choose.

Allegreo alquanto:

Piano sounds pretty good, if a bit undynamic and mechanical in places. (1:40 e.g.).

Strings are lacking stereo field, I think this is mainly a reverb issue - the reverb is very bad and 1-dimensional, so it doesn't spread out the material in the stereo field very well.

Strings also lack some EQ, especially violins sound pretty harsh in places. And they lack air. Violas generally sound weird but that one I will attribute to the sound of Sychron.

Sarabande grave:

Timpani sounds like it was recorded in a bed room, lacking any sense of space and scope. Generally all string lines sound very mechanical.

The solo violin sounds like it was recorded 300 meters away from the rest of the orchestra, lacking any air and frankly sounds horrible - hardly qualifying for sounding like a solo string. Needs to be placed and EQ'ed totally different, but that probably won't save the sound and bad legato that seems inherint to it (note, I don't own the solo strings so I can't really comment on how they COULD sound), but who knows.

Piano sounds pretty good again.

The little percussion there is also sounds (like timpani) too close and without any sense of space.

Violins at 3:30 onwards... wow.... sounds very mechanical, MIDI-like with no expression or feel whatsoever. This can be said about most of the legato strings actually.

Again violas sound metallic, mono-like and strange. Sounds like something out of a 1980's GM-synth. To some degree the same goes for cellos mostly.

Finale allegro:

Percussion again needs to be placed further away, snare drums sound like they are right next to you. Cellos and basses in the beginning sound decent enough, but violas coming in and violins playing without any expression or musicality in them again ruins it. They are also just abrubtly cut off in many places before proceeding to the next phrase.

Again the solo violin sounds almost like a joke. Is it a violin morphed with a soprano singer and a theremin or what?

Basically the same criticism as with the two first pieces apply: Lots of shortcomings in mix + MIDI execution.

Piano is the positive highlight again. Strings are a low. I certainly think they can be bettered with the right craftmanship and knowledge about how to get the best out of samples applied to them, but I also think they show their inherent shortcomings.

Originally Posted by: fahl5

Originally Posted by: Simon Ravn

fatis12, It is just a classic case of "wanna be artist turned analyzer", like magazine music reviewers who were not good enough thus turned into critics.

Just think about Fatis perhaps Ravn has exactly found out your problem.

Hi Ravn,

Any News from 2018 you can provide that might show us, that this is not your problem to? (seems as if you havent updated your website in the last time that much)

Just to remind: a musician is someone who makes music as you can see in my case for instance

Sorry, my priority is not updating my website.

fatis12, give fahl a break. It is just a classic case of "wanna be artist turned analyzer", like magazine music reviewers who were not good enough to become composers, thus turned into critics. So don't blame him for his lack of skills when he churns out these endless "recordings". At least it keeps him busy and off the streets where he could be much more harmful.

Really nice, Guy! Haven't used those strings for a loooong time but they still hold up pretty well, and that semi-dark, very expressive tone fits this piece perfectly. Love the piano too btw - is this VSL's Imperial or....?

Originally Posted by: LAJ

b) ... to reprimand someone for his English language skills. It is not the first time that this happens. We are all encouraged to speak English here - no matter where we come from. And I remember that one guy from China did not dare to write here for years because he thougt his Englisch was too bad.

All of this is completely unnecessary.

You are right, and I won't and have never criticized anyone for his/her English skills before. I am also a novice and that department as English is not my first language and I haven't actually lived in UK/US or anything like that where I would be able to vastly improve my skills there. The difference is that fahl tries so hard writing academic and complicated stuff and that does not work well when you don't master basic English skills. And had he been humble and frank about this (or anything) I would never had taken that road. The language barrier is just an extra contributing factor to the confusion and frustration present in everything fahl touches here.

Originally Posted by: fahl5

Fatis, what excactly is your problem. I asked you polite and unmistakeable clear what you have meant with using a term no one else used before for synchronized Libraries, and instead straight forward ansawering you are trying to prove exactly what in several threads all over this forum?. To finally find out, that what you are trying to convince me is what I already posted weeks ago? What means all your discussion was perhaps just completly sensless based on what ever assumption what I in your opinionthink or do not think. Why didnt you just answered my question?

I do understand Paul to get tired from that kind of behavior.

You do know that Paul is tired of YOU, right? Of course you do, it's just yet another way you twist things and play victim.

You are so busy telling everybody how POLITE you are, while at the same time, you write one tiresome reply after another, arrogantly telling everybody how wrong they are, always ignoring anything they actually bring to the table - then you change the subject and tell people that they should be nice and POLITE like you and discuss the subject matter. ANYTHING that doesn't go exactly like your head you dismiss and ignore to make everything be about what YOU think it should be about. And then you lie about your intentions, playing the victim, saying how misunderstood you are and how wrong we all are. True psychopathic character behaviour, really.

And actually it seems most of the time YOU don't even know what you really want out of all your questions and writing. You certainly don't want other - more knowledgable people than yourself - to write valauble replies to your questions. Like when Dietz answered regarding MIR and mics, you also arrogantly just evaded/dismissed his answers, until you found out that he actually is much brigther than you, one of the brains behind VSL, and actually creates something of importance to many people in the world.

You should really get your head out of your ass. And now we are at it, try to stick to pre-school English, because your lack of skills in that department also often adds to the confusion and paints a picture of someone who thinks all his fancy degrees are the only thing he clinges to when trying to write in academic terms that just don't work when you don't master simple English grammar and syntax to begin with.

Originally Posted by: fahl5

Originally Posted by: ZWaves

Today, Spitfire Audio anounced their 'new' direction (which has been crafted for the last two years now...)

Spitfire Studio Strings!

Their poster reads as follows:

"An incredibly versatile pro-end dry stage sample library - giving you total control."

I just found that First Recording  a user made with the new SSS  (and VSL Winds to me the most convincing part in this piece). I do not want to imagine how sharp the "synth" complains must have been if he posted something like that here ;-)

You're reaching, Fail. There has been a ton of negative response (also people calling it synthy) regarding the new Spitfire strings library, including from me. People are not biased against VSL at VI Control's forum. VI is an independent forum, that's the difference. Here the userbase is largely biased towards VSL. And this is VSL's own forum, so why wouldn't they be? If Spitfire had a forum, I am sure it would be mainly SF fans that posted there.