Tutorial: Routing to and from MIR Pro / MIR Pro 24 using the VE Pro Mixer

Page 40.  Vienna_MIR_Pro_UserManual_v1.2_en.pdf.    

It is unclear what I am looking at.  From top to bottom, I see is a SENDS (+) with a Vienna MIR( in red )  and an "inline" with an orange level/lever below.

In my VEPro 7, the SENDS only have options of BUS and OUTPUT.  (And it is called SEND, not SENDS(+))

OKay then, lets try the box below the SEND.  I don't know what to call that box.  Not clear.  Do you have a name for that box?   Anyways, I am able to select MIR and inline which is good.  What is missing is the orange lever/level.  ????

Is it too hard to ask for a flow-chart/diagram on how the VEPro Mixer works?  Reading the manual isn't clear at all.  I had to re-read the comment on "inline" about a dozen times, and I think I may know what is going on.  But I'm not a 100% sure.

Now lets go to page 41`.   Again, image has under SENDS(+) a Vienna MIR, a (inline), and an orange level/lever.

Which makes absolutely no sense to the product I have.

Continue to page 42.  Post-MIR Audio Inserrts.  "Built upon the example given on the previous page, processing

may also be applied after MIR Pro."  Ok, I give up.  Utter pointless to continue.  At this point I have no idea what is going on.  Unable to duplicate p42.  Maybe this is a Mac thing.

What would be great is a flow-chart/diagram of VEPro 7 mixer.  Then I would not have to try to dicipher what is going on.  Images are great, when they are up to date.  A flow-chart would be even better.

In Vienna_MIR_Pro_UserManual_v1.2_en.pdf  on page 7.

#10 Venue View Control.   Where is #10 in the picture?

p47 on VEPro manual.  It reads.

To re-arrange a docked window (as shown below), simply click and drag its title bar over the main window.  Indicators will be displayed when you’re placing the window over a valid location on the main window.  The Instrument window offers the option to unsnap individual instruments.

Sounds like a great idea.  It would be better if there was a button to automatically rearrange the windows to what the picture shows on p.47.  On Windows 10 the rearrange, resizing windows with a mouse in VEPro7 is just awful.  If you are not on the exact pixel it won't work.

But the worst part of all of this.  After you resize the windows to have all four windows displayed (Mixer, Instruments, MIR, and Automation).  You are stuck with those exact windows on the screen no matter what program you are on.  Switching programs does not remove the windows.    This option is only good for those who only have one program loaded in VEPro 7.   Who does that?  Answer: no one.

I would love to have the option to display all four windows on the screen.  My 32" monitor has so much unused space.  This option would speed up my workflow immenesly.  

VE7  7.0.922

Windows 10

Add a new instance using the plus symbol. (+)

Open a project.  (Cntrl+O)

Select a project to open.

Title of project is Untitled even after loading a project.  And the color is all messed up.

How does Logic handle deletion of a track?

I was told, you can delete a track in Logic using just the DELETE key.  But, it pops up a confirmation box.

Tracks in Cubase and Logic are like channels in VEPro7.

What do other people think?

How does Cubase handle deletion of tracks?  

Selecting a track and pressing delete will NOT delete the track.  

You need to press SHIFT + DELETE to remove a track.

No idea how Logic works.

VE7 should follow same type of method.  Simple one key DELETE should not remove a channel.  If  the user wants to remove the channel they will have to use 2 keys to get it done through the keyboard.  (SPECIAL KEY + DELETE).

Make a checkbox in Preferences to turn off deleting channels on delete button press.

To delete a channel, use the gui at the bottom of the channel list.

Delete button should still work for other things.

You have to wonder why no one else comes across this.  Is it just me?  Or   It takes time and effort to post a 'how to duplicate' a problem.  Let alone a video.  I go back and forth between VSL and the expression map editor in Cubase like ping-pong.  It happens to me many times, enough to push me to make a video.

8 years huh? To be fair, I should have posted this a year ago or more.  So it really should only be 7.

I had a question to another plugin.  ilya efimove responded 

Thank you for being our customer and sorry for the delay in reply. It's
really great that you studied the manual so thoroughly, because you have
found mistypes nobody ever noticed since all these years the Duduk has
been released.

Okay, I made a Video so you can see what I did.

https://vimeo.com/367462506/3972aa6940

The delete button should not delete a channel. Especially when the focus was on the plugin within VE7.

Going back and forth between Cubase and VE7 happens all the time.  I could be in Cubase editing the piano roll, editing the Expression Maps, editing the CC7 and CC11.  Often times I need to delete notes.  But if I make a simple mistake of having the focus on VE7, the simple delete key will destroy a channel. 

Now that I think about it, I don't want a pop-up.  I don't want the channel to be deleted by just pressing one key.

To delete a channel, more effort needs to be required by the user.

Yes, a checkbox in the Preferences with the ability to pop-up message before delete will be nice.

But, I think this is a bug.  In Standalone, the delete button will work for SD3. When in VE7, the delete will not delete the groove selected in SD3 instead the channel gets deleted.

Thanks,

I see now.

What a waste of time.

I set up all these chanels, giving each one a special name and a color.

Then I enter the mixer and select "Vienna MIR Pro".  VSL then renames your channel and gives it a different color.

Thanks VSL for wasting so much of my time. 

Going back between Cubase and VE7, I believe I was editing the piano roll.  I press the delete, but the focus was not on Cubase but instead VE7.  So it deleted the channel. 

How do I get a pop-up warning In VE7 to come up when a channel is about to be deleted?

I ended up doing a control-Z to bring it back, but what a pain/time waste.

If you are enamored.  Go Synchron.

I owned Dimesnsion strings for some time now and

I have not grasped the 8 separate playes to Divisi to Groups to Desks to All to Regular strings to G strings to D strings to A strings to E strings to Open strings.

Never understood how to use all those options to my advantage.

VI->  doesn't have Violin 1 and  Violin 2.  Just Violins.

Synchron looks to have the 2nd Violins.

To my ears, Dimension strings were never great at soloing.  There are better libraries for that.

VI: sequence mapping is another thing that is unclear how to use.  Instructions were...meh.  Hence why so few people use it.

If you go Synchron, then you shouldn't buy any of the VI.  Stick to one or the other.

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi LAJ, 

The german word "Vorfreude" captures what we feel here in Vienna pretty well: I'd translate it with "pleasant anticipation".

More features will be announced as soon as I am 100% sure that everything they work as they should, in all possible environments. Will definitely keep you in the loop!

BTW: We just added our Giant Taiko drum as a BONUS and THANK YOU for all early adopters 
Find the download file here. 

Best, 
Paul

Hi Paul,

I hope VSL has learned their lesson from this fiasco.  

One other thing.

I divided the space into 2 groups.  High ,and Low.  Sometimes I would take the Cello and move it to the Double Bass, or the Trombone to the Contra Trombone. And this is where I have issues with the matricies not matching up between low and mid-low instruments.  But I like your thinking, it has value. 

Also on Dimension Strings, I just take the matricies they provided us.  It matches well with the Mute articulations and it is easy to go from 6 to 3, to 1 players and OS, RE, .....  That would be a pain to sort it out like the other string libraries imo.   Tell us how it goes.

Thanks

The 2 big Woodwinds would be the Clarinet Bb and Flute 1. Start there.  Do you want the top default matrix to be sustain or legato?  

Don't forget the Desc and Cres keys -> usually the A0, B0

My current set up ( I am always changing).

1.  Sus ( Vibrato, no vibrato, Vprogressive,Perf sustain legato, row2:pp,p,mp,mf,f,ff, )

2. Staccato ( usually only one here and Perf Rep has the other staccato)

3. legato  ( legato, marcato, legatoGrace.....(Speed)fast legato, fast marcato)

4.  fp   (sfz, sffz, fp, pfp, fpf)

5. dyn  (dyL1, dyM3, dyS2.......)

6. portato (small, Med, long, Vib, NoVib)

7. Trill flatter ( all thrill and Perf trill, flatter, cluster, flatterdyn.....)

8. Perf Rep  (rep legato, rep pos, rep stac, perf rep dyn 4,.......... This can get quite big.  See clarinet Bb)

9. Grace ( if they have them, there is going to be 12)

10. fast rep (r120,r130........r210)

11. cres dim (monster of a grid)  I would love to learn how to use it.

12 Gliss, Mordent or whatever is left.

Some woodwinds don't have Grace, most don't have mordents.  I did not do ALL articulations like Scale runs and Arpeggios.

Tell us how it all worked out.  Good luck

d: dynamic

s:  Strong

N:   No Vibrato

4:   4 seconds

PFL:  Piccolo Flute

Go look up Piccolo Flute -> under Patch -> under Dynamics

You should see an articulation called 07 PFL_dyn-str_noVib4

drag the articulation into a matrix cell.  It shows B4.  All the other articulations in the Dynamics do not.

Windows 10.  And I still can not see the Dimesion Brass Ensemble Library.

My MIR pops up a windows askiing me to get the lastest VE Pro.  Problem is.   I already have the latest.

Also 07 PFL_dyn-str_noVib4 comes up "B4"  when it should be dsN4.

I have the latest VI Pro  and I cant see the extensions.

Installed the latest VE Pro 64.

Cubase 10 -> Load Rack -> VE Pro 64 (VST2)

White window  shows, can't select.

 Uploaded a vid -> https://youtu.be/Q3RkYjD8hYQ

The VST3 works, but I don't like the 8x midi option.  Only need one.

I did get the lastest.

6.0.17225 (64-bit)

Still not working.  Will try again later

I get a blank window in Cubase when I try to load a new Rack-> Vienna Ensemble Pro. (VST2).

VST3 works, but I hate that workflow.

Found it.

I downloaded the latest VSL Synchron Strings I, and though for the first time, an expression map worked straight  out of the box, my mind was blown.  What an incredible feat!  I'm totally shocked.

But, there are still some bugs in it.  The Remote were set to C3, C#3 D3 D#3, who knows what else is messed up.

If you are having problems with Notes not getting played and you are using VSL created expression maps.  Look there.

Posted a video on it.

https://youtu.be/_encFujJiOc

It is one more place to look when notes aren't getting played.

1. Open VE Pro
2. Channel -> Insert Plugin -> Vienna Sychron Player
3. Preset-> Factory-> Sychron Strings I -> 04 Cello -8
4. Middle C4 does not work.  It seems to want select an articulation.

C4 - C#4 - D4 - D#4 - no bueno

I was using a download version of SY Strings project, I guess that is defunct.