Thanks for the tip, Paul.

I was still running a slightly older Syncron player.  After updating that, the problem seems to have gone away.  I'm able to see the controls for each of the Syncronized Solo String channels now.

Appreciate the help so quickly!  You are the best!

 

- Stephen

I eagerly set up Solo Strings today, but am running into an issue.  For some reason, the instrument control screens only work for a minute or two (not sure if it's time-based or related to something I'm doing and click on, etc.) Then they turn black, and there are no more instrument controls.

FYI I  am using Vienna Ensemble Pro (7.0.973 (64-bit)) to hold my orchestra template.  I must have 100 different channels, divided into tabs for each section.  The instruments are either VI Pro's or Synchron Player.  This issue only seeems to affect the new Solo library -- none of the other instruments which I've been using for a long time.

Note:  the screen itself is black.  But I can still trigger the audio from the new Solo instruments by sending midi.  It's like the software is fine, but there is a problem with the screen.  so I have no articulation controls or anything in the "instrument" tab - just black, plus some tiny white text in the upper left regarding port/channel, and key range setings)

Any idea what would make this happen, and how to fix?

p.s. elicenser is acting strangely today too - saying VEP isn't doing a "getinfo" or something like that.  Assumed it's  a separate problem, but wanted to mention in case it were relevant.

I've attached a screenshot.  FYI for those with Eagle Eyes, the Gold channels are the new Syncronized Solo Strings.  I loaded up one preset for each instrument.  Below, the red channels are the old VI versions, which I was about to remove if the gold ones were working.  Both versions of Violin 1 respond to the same midi, and output to the same audio poort, but I was using "mute" to distinguish one from the other, and I know that both versions are responding well to midi and are sending out audio properly.

In Vienna Instruments Pro, there was a button for dumping the current controller settings as midi, so you could capture the settings into your sequencer. How do I do that with the Syncron player?

And if Syncron player doesn’t have this feature, how do people achieve the same goal (i.e., capturing the current articulation settings into a sequencer track, so it knows which articulation you want at that point in time)?

When you go into divisi, do you use the Strings 1 for one part, and chamber for the other? Or do you go with two voices of chamber?

More more!!! Gorgeously done!

Gorgeous arrangement! I loved the variations between verses. loved the sax stuff especially, as was mentioned by others. The whole thing is great! Feels vintage and totally true to the song.

Thanks for the great conversation here... Paul, Lars, Dietz, Fabio, et al. It's remarkable that we can have this conversation with the actual product managers themselves.

I have watched the demo videos, and am really impressed with the improvements to Tympani. The new set handles releases so much better and looks easier to use. It sounds great! I also love the sound of the new bass drum.

Regarding the room space, I may be fortunate in that Teldex is my "go to" MIR room, and Syncron stage looks to be a similar style room. So, mixing the old and new might work okay. (And when a Syncron Stage MIR Pack is available, it would obviously match even better).

On the other hand, if I want to use a larger space like Sage Gateshead, it sounds like there isn't an ideal soulution, but two workarounds. 1) use the close mic alone from syncron stage and run it through MIR to place it in the room, or 2) run the syncron recording through a traditional reverb to add a longer tail, fiddling until it sounds good.

I am still trying to envision how to make this as intuitive as possible, because I really liked the flexibility of the silent stage recordings, to position instrumentalists where you want them, whether using MIR or not. I wonder how easy that will be with Syncron stage.

Hi, Paul

I have a similar quesiton as LAJ:   I already have an orchestra template and am using a MIR Pro for the room (e.g. Teldex, etc.).  I also take advantage of MIR's ability to draw from built-in presets for each type of instrument and set the mixer levels to the natural sound that allows each instrument to be at the right volume relative to each other.

How would I integrate a new Syncron Drum into that orchestra template?  Would I use the "close mic"?  Would MIR know what settings to use?

Hi.  I just purchased Solo Violin 2 and was suprised that there was no Performance Legato speed matrix, which was a standard feature of earlier VSL Orchestra Libraries. There are multiple variations of Peformance Legato (i.e. different amount of vibrato, etc.) but no "Fast" patches, and no Speed Matrix to switch between patches depending on how fast you play.

Has VSL determined that the speed matrix is overkill and not really needed for realism on these more recent libraries?  Any tips for me to get the most from Solo Violin 2 performance legato?

Thanks for the workaround idea.  So, perhaps use "TrBb_sus_noVib" or "TRBb_sus_progr"?

It's a bit disappointing that the Bb Trumpet is lacking the fast, noVib, patch, since so much effort went into offering both vib and non-vib for the slow perf patches.  It would be nice if VSL would periodically upgrade libraries with patches that didn't make the cut the first time.

I recently purchased Bb Trumpet, and discovered something odd with the performance legato matrix ("02 TrBb Performance Legato Speed").  I can't get it to provide a fully non-vibrato performance.

It is a 2x3 matrix.  Two columns wide (speed control: slow and fast) and three rows high (mod wheel controlled),

The left column has a different patch in each row, with the top for Vibrato, middle for Non Vibrato, and bottom for Portamento/Glissando.  But the right colum has the same patch for all three rows: "01 TrBb Performance-fa" (fast).  This patch has vibrato.  So, even if I set the mod wheel for the middle row, as I play, I get a mix of the slow cell with no vibrato, and the fast cell with vibrato.

How can I get the performance matrix to give me a non-vibrato performance across the middle row?

I just discovered a great 9 minute YouTube movie from MOTU, showcasing their film scoring features.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ljd7R8ASuw

DP8 has some great features for integrating a movie file into the DAW workflow, e.g.

• Routing the original movie's tracks (dialogue/effects) into mixer channels (without importing)
• Showing the movie in its own window or separate full-screen display
• Showing thumbnails of the film inside your sequence tracks
• Exporting audio and movie into a new movie file to show the director your work in progress.

You can set up multiple sequences (il.e. scenes) within the same project file.  This lets you utilize the same array of virtual instruments, effects, etc. across scenes, and reference the same movie file, with each sequence starting at it's on timecode.

For "live" conducting or performing, DP lets you set markers that generate streamers or punches superimposed in the movie window. 

It also has a powerful conductor track, to manage tempo changes.  There is also a tempo calculator to help you find a best-fit tempo based on hit points you've marked in the project.

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For background:  I am a DP user.  I previously used Cubase (ten years ago), and liked it a lot, but DP offered better film scoring features.  Not sure first-hand what Cubase offers today, but I've gotten the impression DP is still ahead.  

About twenty years go, my first DAW ever was C-Lab Notator for Atari ST - the predecessor to Logic.  At that time, Logic was considered very powerful but also kind of complex to work with.  But over the years, and leading into their acquisition by Apple, I think it's gotten easier to use.  So, anyway, I'm a case in point for what was posted previously:  Every now and then we all have to take a fresh look at what's out there and decide what seems to work best for our current needs!

p.s. If you google "film scoring challenge logic vs digital performer" - someone else has done a comparison video that I found interesting, and might have some more perspective for you.

I am still curious what specs would be needed to run it all in a single box.  For example, if you are using a 6-core master and 6-core slave, would a 12-core of the same processor family do the trick?

(I am envisioning a workflow of running a DAW, in my case Digital Performer, plus VSL with a full orchestra, and minimal effects while originally laying down MIDI.  Then fine-tuning and mixing using a MIR stage.  I want to minimize theneed to bounce to audio and freeze tracks while fine-tuning the arrangement and the mix.)   My old set up was a Master (now dead machine) + 2 slaves, and I'd really like to downsize the physical footprint if it can be done.

Thanks for the input!  

Maestro2be: Good luck and have fun getting the new system running!  Eager to hear how it goes.

Dietz:  Thanks for running the numbers.  So, your machine is faster than I had estimated.  The dual processor score seems to put it mid-way between a 6- and an 8-core NMP.  (A seven core? ha!)

This has been a great discussion.

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I basically had the same question as Maestro2b:  I've waited for years to upgrade to a set up  that can handle a full Vienna orchestra, Digital Performer, and MIR on one machine.  (My old setup requires three machines, and the master computer has given up the ghost!)  

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I'd like to buy one of those amazing new "trashcans" which use Xeon E5 Ivy Bridge processors.  I am trying to map what was discussed here to the right number of cores on the new system, using Geekbench 3.0 scores to see how they compare.

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Andyjh:  Your software setup sounds very close to my goal: full orchestra, MIR, additional software (in my case... my DAW Digital Performer). You said you have an i7 (960) 8 core, but everything I read says 960 is a 4-core.  Wondered if you have a dual processor machine.  In any case, I used the Geekbench 3 browser and the only Geekbench 3 scores I see are for 4 core.  Have you tried running Geekbench?  Or any other info on where it might stack up?  (http://browser.primatelabs.com/)  I may just not understand how to read the numbers in your case.

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Dietz:   Your machine, with an i7 (3930K, Sandy Bridge) 6 core - looks to have a Geekbench score around 21516.  That seems to place it close to a New MP with Xeon 6 core.

Thanks, Paul and Svonkampen!
Sounds like a great solution.

So... in standalone mode, you can run single VI, but to run multiple VI's, you need host software, right? (to run VI as VST plug-ins) [Correct me if I'm wrong.]

No problem if your entire studio is on a single computer. Your sequencer would be your host. Perfect.

But in my current set-up I've got a Mac and two PC's. The Mac runs Digital Performer and calls the shots via MIDI. The PC's run Gigastudio (bleh.)

If I were to ditch Gigastudio and use Vienna Instruments, is there a way to run multiple VI's on each PC at the same time? I'd hate to think you have to install a full-blown sequencer (e.g. Cubase) on each PC, simply to host VI's as plug-ins. Would the PC software still pay attention to the MIDI commands from the Mac, and route them to the VI plug-ins?

I'm hoping there is an easier solution. Anyone try this yet?

OMG - LOL!!
Plowman, I was reading your post while sitting around a conference table at work. Just about LOST it, that was so funny! A totally inappropriate moment in the meeting for me to be grinning ear to ear. Are you trying to get me in trouble?

I hope this is a silly question: How "stable" is the Vienna Instruments software?

I'm comparing it to GigaStudio. When it works, it's fantastic! But despite several OS upgrades, and Version upgrades, it still wins my "most liable to crash" award. (Today's trick: it randomly causes system to reboot, even when it's just sitting there unattended!) Plus there's all that "memory tweaking" mess to deal with.

Does VI make all those hassles go away? Are the streets paved with gold over there in VI land?

I recently purchased the complete first edition, and when I went to the user area for the first time, it said there was an update DVD (DVD01) available. Supposedly the DVD is on the way.

Should I go ahead and do the process of updating the Giga3 art files before the DVD arrives? Or will the new content from the DVD overwrite the changes I make?

(p.s. what's on the DVD anyway?)

I recently purchased the complete first edition, and when I went to the user area for the first time, it said there was an update DVD (DVD01) available. Supposedly the DVD is on the way.

Should I go ahead and do the process of updating the Giga3 art files before the DVD arrives? Or will the new content from the DVD overwrite the changes I make?

(p.s. what's on the DVD anyway?)