[SOLVED] Synchron Player Loading Issues

I've had a few e-mail exchanges with VSL's tech support. We've determined that disabling the ASIO guard for each of the VSL plug-ins in Cubase's Plug-in Manager completely resolves the problem! Now the Synchron libraries are back to normal with no performance issues at all!

Thank you, VSL!

Hi,

I ran some more tests. I can confirm that the behavior is pretty sporatic. It started happenning all over the place again. It is most noticable on instruments that are playing long and sustain samples. I also have several Synchron SE+ patches in this particular project plus that one string patch from the Epic Orchestra 2.0.

None of the other tracks are experincing the slightest problem and I have plenty of firepower to go on this system. I am certainly looking forward to see what might be causing this issue and hopefuly fix it soon!

-Zahari

OK,

I ran some tests with an average project size with several different libraries from all over, including VI Pro and other Synchron Player instruments too. The patch that gives the trouble is from the <<Epic Orchestra 2>> (EO2), the Synchron Strings FX. I have loaded the Vertical Trem patch and that's the one in question. Last night all other Synchron Player based instruments in the project were experiencing the problem.

Today, I've offloaded the EO2 patch to VEP Pro 7. Things seemed to work fine. Then I loaded onto an Instrument track instead using the VE Service 6.5. With the patch offloaded like that all other instances of SY Player seemed to operate fine with no hickups.

I noticed also that if the VE Service is not the forgound application, the sound gets sometimes choppy until you switch it to be on the front. Then you can go back to Cubase and it will be fine for a while. I wonder if this is just a bug with this particular String patch from EO2. I will continue to monitor things here.

-Zahari

I just noticed that many of the products have been updated just yesterday. I am about to download them and install them all, including the Synchron Player. I see also updates for Synchron Pianos, VEPPro 7 (also 6), and even the VI Pro. Let's see if these updates will fix the issue.

[EDIT] I have updated all of the above products with their latest versions. I still am experiencing performance issues. I have set the Database preload time to 4096 (that was the default anyway), I've also tried 8192 but with the same results so I went back down. The speed indicated there is 98.5 MB/s. Under Engine, I have set the Preload Size to 8192 samples. The Streaming and the Loading Threads are at their default values of 4. I've tried placing them at 6 yesterday but it didn't make any difference.

I also wonder why the speed to the volume path is different than my BlackMagic Design Speed Test diagnostic app reports which is 380-390 MB/s read & write.

I am hosting the Synchorn Player within Cubase 10.5. I am going to try hosting the instruments within VEP Pro 7 and see if that handles things better.

Thanks, Oceanview!

Seems like we are experiencing similar behaviour on the performance, but different reasons I think. I am running everyting latest and only started happening as I ran larger pojects which stream from other dedicated SSD drives (on the same USB Bus though). I played with some settings too, like preload size, number of streams etc. but it makes no difference. Restarting the Cubase project makes them play for a bit untill all tracks kick in on all cylinders. I hope someone from VSL chimes in here.

Cheers!

Hi,

I started experiencing issues with the Synchron Player. The sound chokes and sometimes does not even trigger the instrument from the MIDI data on the track. The player gives me an indication under the performance window (the chip icon) flashing in red. When I open it, I see a Hard Drive icon flashing in red. I know my speeds are good as I check my drives regularly. Streaming off an SSD on a USB 3.0 bus.

Any suggestions to improve the performance and correct the issue will be appreciated!

Regards,

-Zahari Shtonov

Hello,

I've been building some Automation parameters in VEPro 7 for the last week. I love the fact that the window is docked now. However, once you commit to a certain order, it is impossible to reorder the entries if needed. If one adds extra instruments, they can be only added at the very bottom. That may create inconsistencies and confusion for sure as the instruments list grows later on.

It would be nice to be able to drag the different entries up and down as required.

Best regards,

-Zahari

Hi David,

I appreciate the reply and the screenshot you have provided! I shall give this a try next time this bug occurs!I was imagining it must be a graphical redraw issue. I guess playing with the docking/undocking fixes it. Not too hard to do :)

Thanks Paul, for pointing us in the right direction!

Best regards,

-Zahari

Hi everyone,

Has anyone noticed an issue displaying MIR Pro within VEPro Server 7? Ever since I upgraded to Catalina, the MIR Pro interface becomes blank (flat blue background color) with no possibilities to adjust anything. Basically you cannot see the venue. The only solution I have found out so far fixing it is to restart the entire server/project.

Anybody experiencing the same and found a better solution? Seems to me like a graphics bug here.

Thank you all and stay safe!

Regards,

-Zahari

Hey Dave,

No worries at all! I am glad that the info provided was useful to you!

Best regards,

-Zahari

Thank you very much for the new Woodwinds Library! I would like to vote a +1 for the Alto Flute please! I have it as a VI Instrument, but would love to see it join the new collection!

Kind Regards,

-ZWaves

Thanks, Andi! For your hard work on these Expression Maps!

Cheers!

Hi MichaelL,

Check out this thread from earlier:

VEPro 7 & EastWest Play VST

Cheers!

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi ZWaves, 

The upgrade path is always from VI to Synchron, so if you put the VI version in your basket and then add the SY-ized version, you will get both at the best price. 

Best, 
Paul

I added the VI version to my Shopping Basket then checked the price on the Synchron right after. It came up to extra €35.

Thanks, Paul!

Wow! This is great! What happens if you want to get both the VI and the SY versions? I see no price for that option.

Thanks, Paul!

Hi horsehead,

Glad to see things have worked out good! I bet reformatting the T5 has helped a lot! The ExFAT file structure is not very friendly for audio. The "light" Stenway D-274 is a gorgeous piano indeed! I love the sound of it and it is quickly becoming my favorite piano!

Paul,

You are spoiling us here

Dear VSL friends,

Some of us have been eagerly awaiting for some Cubase Expression Maps that will work with the new Synchron-ized Special Editions. The news we've been getting has been that they are in the making and they should appear soon. Well, I couldn't wait any longer and have decided to create them myself! It took a while and some really long hours crafting and testing, and finally they are here! I am making them available to anyone who wants to jump right into composing without waisting too much time.

The maps are devided into orchestral sections and also there are a couple of bundles - one for all the strings and also another one for the entire Synchron-ized SE Bundle. They are made with the PLUS user in mind, but they can be easily modified to work with the standard non-PLUS editions. Not sure how VSL official maps will be constructed, but I ended up with 108 individual expression maps covering the entire collection! Very few instruments have exact same configuration in the dimension tree and most have their unique set of articulations. VSL has done a great job of keeping the consitency! All maps that I've created are neatly labeled in the logical order in which instruments appear in the Preset tab of the Synchron Player.

I want to thank Paul for providing me with an example of what an actual Synchron based expression map may look like a few days ago, which was taken from another VSL Synchron library.

So folks, feel free to head down to my Gumroad page and grab those maps! I hope they are useful to many people!

Best to you and happy composing!

-ZWaves

https://gumroad.com/zwaves

Hi Carrillet,

Here is a picture of where both the Sychron Player and the Synchron Piano should appear after instalation. And you should definitely upgrade your memory!

Best,

-ZWaves

Hi jdw,

Are you still having trouble opening Syncrhon libraries? The Synchron Player is not available as a stand alone and it should only be available as an instrument choice within your Vienna Ensemble (Pro) application. As long as you used the proper installation procedures with the latest Vienna Download Manager you should be fine. The player should be available to you as an integrated plug-in in VE or VEP. In addition, the Special Edition Vol.1 comes with a new piano that requires its own player called Vienna Synchron Pianos! Make sure you get this in myVSL area!

Best,

-ZWaves

No, that does not sound normal! Are you using the latest Vienna Download Manager? Especially needed for the Synchron libraries!

Hi Paul,

Thank you for the maps! These are maps based on the VI and VI Pro Player which primarily are using CC1 (and some keyswitches) to move between the articulations. I have pulled them apart and I think I have some good result already. If you happen to have an actual expression map based entirely on Synchron Player that would be awesome! It doesn't matter the library.

Much appreciated!

-ZWaves

Originally Posted by: andi

We have VST Expression Maps for Cubase available for most of our libraries - Synchron libraries included. You can download them at the following location:
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Notation_Related

Best regards,
Andi

Hi Andi,

I know that the Expression Maps for the VSL SYNCHRON-zed SE Library are in the making and I see here that other Synchron libraries already have maps available. I was wondering, since I do not own any other Synchron Player stuff, where can I get an example of how to build and Expression Map? I have no access obviously on MyVSL page to anything else but what I have purchased. All I need is just one Synchron style map and I think I could take it from there.

Thanks!

-ZWaves

Thanks, Ben!

Will do so!

Best,

-ZWaves

Hello VSL users,

I have upgraded to the latest Vienna Ensemble Pro 7. By doing so it has completely overwritten the previous version 6 Pro. However I still see Vienna Ensemble 6 hanging on my system, the free one that comes with every VI instrument we purchase. I was wondering if that's normal and if any updates are coming to the free version as well?

Thanks!

Hy gyprock,

I just finished incorporating my VSL SE Synchron Bundle into my Cubase template yesterday. This was my approach:

• Create an Instance per Orchestral Section in VEP 7 Pro ending up with total of 6 Instances - Woodwinds, Brass, Percussion, Harp & Plucked, Choir, Strings.
• Create Folders in every instance to house each orchestral family instruments in e.g. Flutes, Oboes, Clarinets, Bassons, Saxes for the Woodwinds. Horns, Trumpets, Trombones, Low Brass for the Brass, and etc.
• Load every instrument in its own Synchron Player instance sharing a port but each instrument/Synchron Player having their own MIDI channel. Example - Flutes: Piccolo on Port 1, Channel 1; Flute 1 on Port 1, Channel 2, Flute 2 on Port 1, Channel 3 etc. Moving on to the Oboes - Oboe 1 (French) on Port 2, Channel 1, Oboe 2 (Vienna) on Port 2, Channel 2 etc.
• Move on to the next Instance housing the Brass Section and repeating the process. Horns on Port 1, Channels 1 till 4, Trumpets on Port 2, Channels 1 till 11 etc. I have also created some instruments with a Classic or Close preset from the mixer window to be on their own channel for easier access through the sequencer (Cubase).
• Within each Instance, each Folder/Orchestral Section has its own audio output going directly out of VEP. In the Woodwinds Section: All Flutes are routed to OUT 1/ OUT 2, All Oboes to OUT 3/ OUT 4, and etc. In the next Instance, Brass, same thing. Horns going to OUT 1/ OUT 2, Trumpets to OUT 3/ OUT 4 etc.
• In Cubase recreate all Instrument Sections in Folders - Woodwinds, Brass, Percussion, Harp & Plucked, Choir, Strings. Create subfolders for each instrument family e.g. Flutes, Oboe, Clarinets, Bassoons, Saxes for the Woodwinds. Horns, Trumpets, Trombones, Low Brass for the Brass, and etc.
• Create Rack Instruments in Cubase in order to be able to connect to each VEP Instance and relable them with corresponding names e.g. Woods, Brass, etc.
• Enable the necessary amount of Output Channels in each Rack Instrument depending on how many outputs are used on the other side in VEP. This creates individual channels in the Mixer window e.g. (Woodwinds) Flutes, Oboes, Clarinets, etc. , (Brass) Horns, Trumpets, Trombones, Low Brass untill all Instances are now routed to Cubase's Mixer.
• Route those mixer channels to group channels at the front of the template for easy access e.g. Woodwinds Group, Brass Group, etc. Route the group tracks to a Submaster Group track, then finally route the Submaster to the Stereo out.
• Create individual MIDI tracks that connect to the Rack Intrument that matches their section (e.g. Woods, Brass, Percussion, etc.)

This is the way I have designed it and seems to give me quite the flexibility without getting overboard on the resources. I disable all channels in VEP but leave Cubase's tracks active and let them all load upon startup of the template. Any time I need an instrument to work with I just enable it on the VEP side. I hope this helps!

Cheers!

-ZWaves