Thanks, Paul

Of course, there is no way that VEP can do everything for the vast number of plugins that it manages. I’m thinking about how to troubleshoot this without a LOT of guesswork. (I have a large collection of libraries from other companies as well). Are plugins stored in the Mac OS systems in such a way that I can look to see which were added most recently? I’m thinking ~/Library/Application support/ etc. And then sort by date? Does this seem to make sense?

Your help, as always, is appreciated.

Paul R

Thanks, Paul

Makes sense of course, and thanks for identifying it as part of VE Pro. Maybe the program could be renamed to show it is part of the VE Pro system or program. I will begin to troubleshoot this, but it has been happening for a few weeks. 

It would be helpful if VSL programmers might have the error message identify it as a VEP error. And, of course, if it could reference the specific plugin that would be an enormous time saver. Saying, “Please be sure ‘the product’ is properly installed” is not conducive to efficient troubleshooting. I’m sure You might agree.

Plug ins are not always simply added. Sometimes they are updated by third parties as part of their on going maintenance. Given the number of plugins on some systems (like mine). Narrowing this down can be quite time consuming.

Also, if AVID products are present, VE Pro will have difficulty quitting. I’ve had to remove their product to avoid having to “Force Quit” each time.

Trying to be helpful here.

 

Paul R

I have been using a ‘legacy’ Yamaha S90 and want to update to the best controller I can afford that works with my hardware and software. I use VSL extensively with a significant number of 3rd part librairies, but always using Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 to keep things organized.

I use the most recent releases of Finale (Mac) v 26 and Digital Performer 10. 

The S90 was fine for note entry, but very limited in almost every other way. So I bought (2 days ago) a Komplete Kontakt S88 MK2. So far some things work well, but it really feels like the wrong keyboard. Right away,,you realize that there is an expectation that you will fully embrace the Northern Sounds, Native Instrument instruments and library. Some are fine, But there are just too many things I don’t think I will every use.

I’m asking for recommendations for a musician like me who uses VSL libraries (more than others) but also plenty of other 3rd party libraries as well. What is the controller you would recommend. I have a few weeks to take the Komplete Kontrol back, but during that time I’d like to research other, perhaps most suitable controllers for my circumstances.

I want to be able to enter notes, of course, and then be able to shape them with some assignable (learnable) knobs and sliders. I don’t think I need a lot. But advice on that account will be appreciated as well. I do have a very good breath controller that works well. 

And, of course USB hook up.

I thank you for reading the post and writing a short reply. Just tell me what is working really well for you. THANK YOU.....

Paul R

While booting VEP7 a new scan of plugins was initiated. During the scan an error is reported. "Registry Error , be sure your product is properly installed". No product is specifically referenced. So that's not helpful. 

This is new behaviour as of late. I've had it happen several times and my guess it has to do with some plug-in. But which one? And how to narrow that down? It appears the error is in a subroutine or program called plugin scan. Is that a Vienna program? No idea why it has emerged and is reporting this error.. Again, what error?

I have just made a bold move to upgrade my controller from a legacy Yamaha S90 to a Komplete S88. Could it be involved?

Makes sense. Thanks, Bill. I'll take that approach.

No response after a few days. I'm wondering if that means I asked a question that was confusing, or maybe no one else ever needs this woodwind 'doubling'. Any guidance appreciated.

HI

Somewhere along the way, I thought I learned how to use slots to allow a clarinet player to switch to bass clarinet for a few phrases and then back. I thought this was done through using the slots, but I've forgotten the details. To switch instruments do you use slot cross fade, or is it possible to assign a keyswitch to move the player to a different slot within the one VIP instance?

thanks

Paul R

Strange, new behaviour. Vienna Ensemble Pro (latest version) will not quit on its own and must be "Force Quit" each time on my MacBook Pro (new) running Catalina. Is this just happening on my system? Any advice?

Paul R

Found it. Arranger is Chris Dedrick. Written for the Canadian Brass.
So expertly rendered ! Gorgeous.

Jay Bacal’s rendering of Make Our Garden grow is, as usual just terrific. I would love to know whose arrangement that is. Also I would love to study a demo of this one. Anyone who might have contact with Jay, please pass along.

Thank you for that info. Very helpful. Doesn’t come up often, but good to know.

A follow- up question. I am in the habit of putting a MIR Pro in every channel so that the whole ensemble is on stage, where I want them. You said I would not likely want to add MIR Pro to every channel. Could you tell me more about this?
My thanks.

Paul R

I know you can automatically had MIR Pro to each instrument as it is added, but if you have a large and older file with MIR Pro needing to be assigned to many channels at once is there a way to add to multiple channels at once or do you have to add one at a time?

Paul R

Hi. I have Vienna Imperial, as well as the Synchron Yamaha and Steinway. I have always liked the Vienna Imperial and used it in quite a few projects. But now that I took the step to acquire the Synchron pianos I find I use it (the Imperial) less and less. My favourite sound (personal preference) is the Steinway and have actually gone back and loaded all three pianos in my DAW and then use duplicate tracking with different routing so I can compare all three in a musical situtation. Frankly, I feel completely spoiled!

Now, a small comment regarding the diverse options we now have in the VSL instrument world. I learned to use the old (no longer in use) VI Sample Player and never liked it. The newer sample player is a big improvement and takes a lot of work and time (in my case) to learn. No shortage of complexity, but it allows a great sense of control over performances of the samples. I’m now learning the Synchron Player and find this ‘new’ player has some real advantages. But it is very time consuming to learn and re-learn the intricacies of each.

So I’m wondering if VSL is headed towards a Synchron Player model (maybe called something else) that will be a ‘universal ‘ player for all the libraries. I think that would be terrific in some sense, although maybe impossible.

I often feel there is me (performer, composer, orchestrator) and then there is this cumbersome giant wall of TECH that I must deal with before getting to the results on the other side. Slows down the process in my case, although I’ve really worked at it.

All this to say that choice of instrument (in this case piano) is also a choice of sample player and your comfort level with each workflow. Of course, the bottom line is sound, but I wanted to comment on the multiple choices we now have working with VSL/Synchron libraries.

Finally, after all these years, I am still astonished at the agility and speed of some users with the libraries (Jay Bacal and Guy Bacos come to mind).
Paul R

That makes sense. I don’t think any preferences triggered the deletion of the cache.. But a third party clearout, could have happened. Maybe CleanMyMac ...In any case, no big deal. Just wondered if it was something to expect now. Seemed random. Thanks for the explanation.

I just booted VEP7 as usual, but was surprised that it went through a scan of all my plug-ins. I thought that only happened the first time it was booted. Is this a periodic rescan?

Thank you, Andi.
I’ve never used the Pro Event, but how’s the time to learn!

Paul

Hi

I'm writing a composition which involves a good sized orchestra plus chorus. As a result I need more than 16 channels. For some reason I am having trouble understanding the best practice for setting up this size orchestra with VEP in Finale. In it's audio/midi banks and effects there is room for 8 banks and 128 channels.

What I do in my DAW works well. I usually only need one VEP instance and use VEP1, VEP2...ect. with 16 channels in each. But what is the best way to do this in Finale. It seems to allow only 16 channels per bank so if I try to put my Violins in VEP 2-1 for example, Finale's score manager seems to want me to put an new VEP instance in a different bank. If this sounds confused, it's because I am. :) Again no problem with my DAW (DP10).

Thanks in advance for advice from anyone

 

PaulR

SOLVED

For some reason, a reinstall of the Steinway D went to the wrong drive. You must have the Steinway on an SSD drive, of course. Not sure why the VSL downloader doesn't remember where the original version is. Anywya, I've learned to double check the directory path for the install before installation. Silly mistake on my part.

Paul R

Please add my vote

The "D" is beautiful, but I am having problems with the sustain pedalling. When I play a track using the Imperial or the even the Yamaha, the pedalling is normal. But the Steinway cuts off notes. Seems olike a memory issue. I have the D on an SSD drive. Should a preload setting be adjusted? I have it set at 2048 at the moment. But maybe it should be much higher. Maybe the 16384 setting? Clearly I need to keep at this and find out the best setup on my system. (MacOS Mojave. DP10)

I have had repeated Finale (new) version 26 crashes. VEP does not crash, but Finale keeps shutting down while working with Finale's Score Manger window and maybe at other times too. Just wondering else is experiencing the same thing. I'm going to post on the Finale site as well.

 

PaulR

I checked this: https://www.macworld.co....rk-macos-mojave-3678735/ and apparently Mojave does not like 32-bit apps at all. Some will work apparently but will be "compromised". 

I followed instructions in the article above and had a look at my applications (on an iMac) to see which ones were 32 and which were 64. I was surprised to see that e-licenser is 32 -bit only. Does that mean that I shouldn't update to Mojave yet?

Paul Read

Hi Stefan et al

I am greatly relieved to learn of the 2year protection plan option. I have purchased mine right away.

Paul R

I am having intermittent problems where the VEP window has a blank rectangle in the centre of its window at the top. Perhaps 1"" x 2".  Am I the only one? This started happening a while ago but it has been only intermittent, so restarting VEP seems to return things to normal. 

Usually things work well, but it just happened again, and I thought I should report it. Maybe a bug? I've updated all my libraries and VSL software. 

I am running: iMac with 32 GB RAM, High Sierra, Dp 9.52, Finale 25. Many VSL libraries and others.

Thanks for any advice or help.

PaulR

As others have noted, Apple asks daily for me to upgrade to High Sierra. The MOTU/VEP issue is the only reason I haven't done so. At the moment, I'm not inconvenienced by sticking with Sierra for now, but experience teaches that fairly soon, High Sierra is going to be a necessary upgrade.

Moving to another from DP9 to another DAW is, after decades of using DP, a high stress proposition, but I'm beginning to wonder if this will become necessary. And this is STRESSFUL to consider.

If I have to switch I want to go to a DAW which will provides the easiest path to porting over all my DP projects. One that has the lowest learning curve for a DP user. Has great tech support, etc.

What are the CONTENDERS? Anyone made the switch and can speak with first hand knowledge?

And finally a question for VSL support: Is the problem not fixable on the VSL side?

Man, this is frustrating.

It seems like MOTU and VSL are behaving like Republicans and Democrats on this by the way...Surely there is a programmer in either company who knows how to fix this. After all, we put a man on the moon...

PaulR