Yes.....very depressing that these issues persist.  I like you are forced to stay with VE PRO 6 and am doubtful I will ever be able to use VE PRO 7.  Not that I don't have some severe iassues with VE PRO 6....I do and upgraded to VE PRO 7 as I assumed that would be the only way to get these problems resolved....... waiting like the rest of you.

The fact is that there does not seem like a huge amount of people complaining, so I am doubtful they will take this serious enough to solve the issues.  I don't understand how this can be so hard to solve when these pfoblems were not an issun in VE PRO 6.

Done quite a bit of testing....definitely not Windows Defender....again....same machines and VE PRO 6 works well.

Nope never fixed.  I am losing any faith they will ever fix it.  I am also surprised there are not many more users complaining or experiencing these problems.

I suspected it might have to do with HALION....so I removed that plugin and made virtually no difference so I doubt it is related specifically to that one plugin in my case.

Incredibly frustrating as VE PRO 6 basically works fine so it 100% has to be on Vienna's side to fix this.

Check Windows Defender settings and exclude your sample drives.

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi, 

These problems definitely are connected with the sheer size of the projects, and we have not found a way to reproduce this on our 32 /64 GB machines. 

It could be a mix of different plug-ins, the way Cubase handles, e.g., automation (creating a myriad of possible auitomation lanes for each track) and probably also how Audio Inputs are handled. 

This is a tough nut to crack, but I hope we can crack it. 

My apologies that we couldn't solve it until now. 

Best,
Paul

Thanks for the reply.  All I can say is that it works fine in VE PRO 6.  I believe I sent you a long time ago my VE PRO session files.  Maybe if I remove all plugins from the VST folder and have VE PRO load with all plugins missing that and compare that withe VE PRO 6 and 7 that could rule out any plugins if the descrepancies still happen?  Any thoughts on that test?

Originally Posted by: TimBlast

So I had a couple days with no projects to work on so I decided to try VE PRO 7 again......

 

and its the same issue...... VE PRO 6 server would load up in 20 minutes and then Cubase project will open in 4-5 minutes.... close in 1 minute

now the Ve Pro 7 is loading my server in 35 minutes and took 1 hour to open in Cubase ....... Tried exporting a mixdown and it took 26 minutes (for a 40 second track) I had to force close both cubase and ve pro 7 to get out of a project... how is it getting worse??? why is there no patch for this problem?? 

Rolling back to Ve Pro 6 again.... I don't know what did I spend the $99 for.... 

I wish Vienna would look into this more seriously.  We clearly are having similar issues and we both use Cubase.  I had some time to test a couple of days ago and can't pin point it.  Huge problems in my giant templates but when I test a particular instrument with say 32 instances and nothing else VE PRO 6 and 7 behave in a similar manner so I am not sure if doing small tests will reveal any problems.  In my huge template it as as bad as what you are seeing and much too difficult to slowly eliminate instruments, etc....  Frustrating for sure.

I did some more testing today.  I removed all the Halion 6 and Halion Sonic SE plugins from the VST folder so that the projects would load with "missing" plugin instances to see if these plugins were causing all of the problems of slower loading and closing compared to VE PRO 6.  

The load tmes definitely improved a bit but still overall the load times were much longer than VE PRO 6 ewith those plugins.  Although Steinberg may have a bit of work on their end I am definitely seeing VE PRO 7  with load.close and export times that are vastly longer than VE PRO 7 and am surprised that all Cubase 10 users are not seeing what I am seeing.

To me VE PRO 7 is not useable....extremely disappointed that no one else is chiming in if they are having issues.  I wish Vienna would engage in this conversation as I am spending a lot of time testing their product and am getting no where.

This may not be related to your problem.....but I had issues where I had a machine running just PLAY but a huge amount of instances for SD2 an SD3.  All ran fine for years until a particular Windows update.  I had not updated the PLAY version in a long time but updating the latest version of PLAY to my surprise solved my issues with the projects not being able to load everything.

I installed the latest version of VE PRO 7 yesterday to test....again the load/close times are much worse than VE PRO 6.  

VE PRO 7 - Open 5:52  (VE PRO 6 Open 3:20)

VE PRO 7 Close about 7 minutes.

The seond tme I open it took VE PRO 7 4:05 vs VE PRO 6 does it in 1:55.  Close time was the same 7 minutes.

The reason for the shorter second open is due to a strange Halion bug utilizing patches that have a convolution reverb or amp effect in them....I have about 100 of these so the problem is extreme.  Steinberg knows about it and hopefully will fix it at somepoint soon.  None the less..... clearly there is a VE PRO 7 issue that is making the problem MUCH worse than in VE PRO 6.  I wish Vienna would take this serious....I know it does not affect many of us but I paid for a lot of licenses and my confidence that they will solve this or that they are even concerned is what worries me.

Originally Posted by: civilization 3

I want to be clear, my hangs on render can't be related to loading or quitting issues, which both are very responsive here.

My issues may be slightly different as I never got around to try and render any projects as my load/quit times were so long that I had to go back to VE PRO 6 to work.

Originally Posted by: marnix

Hi all,

We still cannot reproduce the problems with exporting mixdowns in Cubase here, but our developers are currently investigating what could possibly cause projects, which have been created in some VE Pro 6 builds, to take so much longer to load in VE Pro 7.

Thank you all for your patience!

Best, Marnix

I assume no progress has been made?  It has been months now and I purchased many licenses that are useless to me compared to VE PRO 6 which works well.  Not sure why this is so troublesome to pin point.

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi, 

We are aware and hope that we can fix these issues soon. 

Best, 
Paul

What is the status of these issues? No mention of any fixes regarding these issues in the 7.0.877.  Very frustrating to buy many licenses but not be able to use them as it does not work as well as version 6 does on my systems.

Originally Posted by: J-M

Sorry to flood this thread with messages, Paul, but this is getting quite ridiculous. I'm currently balancing my template and it's almost quaranteed that the noise burst happens at least once in every session (I reinstalled VEPro 6). I know you guys are doing what you can, but do you have any idea about what might help? Even with the safety measures I've taken it's quite hard to ignore the issue when my meters are flashing red.

Thought I would chime in as this issue still exists after years...though it is a bit better.  It blew a very expensive JBL tweeter a couple of years ago for me.

Here is what we have figured out on our end.....If you have an instrument like Kontakt and you are using multiple outs.....group them together so when you enable/disable all the outputs get enabled/disabled together.  If you leave the additional outputs not in the group and the main output gets disabled but not the additional outputs you are very likely to get the bursts that will blow your speakers.

Also....never disable an instrument until absolutely no sound is playing anymore.  If there is still sound it is like the buffer gets stuck and when you re-enable....look out....bursts of sounds are likely.

Originally Posted by: dlpmusic

Can't say for sure but I bet it is related to the slow load and close times I am seeing in VE PRO 7.  I never tried to export as the load/close performance was enough reason for me to go back to VE PRO 6 for now....

Here is the thread I started...

 

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t52574-Cubase-10-Super-Long-Load-and-Close-Times-VE-PRO-7#post285192

Yes...frustrating.  Would love to use VE PRO 7.  Clearly there are some issues here.  I wish Vienna would chime in and let us know they are aware and going to fix thhese issues soon.

Originally Posted by: TimBlast

Hi!

I upgraded to VE PRO 7 today and I am using Cubase 10.0.20. I cannot export anything now.... when I try to export mixdown Cubase just starts hanging and I have waited hours without any response. I need to force close either Cubase on my main PC or VE PRO 7 on my slave. Same thing happens whenI try to close a session in Cubase....

Should I roll back to VE PRO 6? I didn't have such issue there.... Also it takes about 30 minutes to even open a Cubase session that is connected to ve pro 7 server.... 

If anyone has any suggestions or work around please post below

 

P.S. I am in Windows 10 latest update

Can't say for sure but I bet it is related to the slow load and close times I am seeing in VE PRO 7.  I never tried to export as the load/close performance was enough reason for me to go back to VE PRO 6 for now....

Here is the thread I started...

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t52574-Cubase-10-Super-Long-Load-and-Close-Times-VE-PRO-7#post285192

Hi Paul,

I sent you my Cubase 10 sequence quite a while ago.  Did you ever look into the issue?  Did you discover any issue?

Originally Posted by: Rob Elliott

What's weird for me (W7) on master/Daw - W10 on one of three slaves -- is 'first project open of the day' (I leave my puters on) - the start up of a Cubase (10.x) project is VERY slow.  BUT all subsequent project opens of THAT day are 'fast'.

come back the next morning and FIRST project start is VERY slow (faster for all starts - throughout the day).  Not a deal breaker but a bit annoying.

 

Rob

Yes Rob!  That is the exact same behaviour I have even with VE PRO 6......however I can explain some of that behaviour because of a strange bug in the HALion platform (not sure if it is a Steinberg problem or Vienna issue).

I have a tremendous amount of HALion 6 and HALion SOnic SE instances in my template.  I tracked down a problem where VE PRO connects extremely slow to an instance only the very first time if HALion (6 or SE) has a patch that utilizes a convultion effect.  So if the patch has a Halion convolution effect or a Guita amp convolution effect than this causes the slow connect/disconnect for the just the first time.  After that it is fast as normal in VE PRO 6.  

Perhaps you have something going on similar in your template which might help determine if it is a VE PRO bug.

Originally Posted by: civilization 3

Cubase 10.0.20, VEP 7 build 834.

Just tries 7.0.834 and it is just as bad for me.  Observing what connects/disconnects fast vs what doesn't might point to a particular plugin....but hard to tell.  Looks especially slow on one of my 4 machines.  This machine where it looks like the instance takes especially a long time has Halion 6, Halion SE. Omnisphere, UVI Falcon, Best Service Engine and few others.

Unfortunately in its current state VE PRO 7 is not useable for me because of the slow load/unload times.  I hope they take this serious and dig in.  A bit concerning how there is so little posts on this problem lately.

I am on Windos 10.  Are you using Cubase?  What version of VE PRO 7 are you using?

Originally Posted by: civilization 3

It loads faster than 6 here, easily.

I don't mind force quitting, but right now it hung loading a different .vesp and force quit out of that; and while it appears to not be running, the icon is in the dock and it will not start. I will have to reboot the machine.

Hmmm...definitely not the case here.....the disconnect is the most concerning part but either way longer load time should not be happening and I noticed in another post that another Cubase user reported the same issues.

Originally Posted by: civilization 3

Quitting here is usually a problem, I'm accustomed to force quit, I don't have the patience and as far as I can tell it hangs.

I really hope they take this issue serious and get it fixed soon.  Nothing like seeing the main feature for upgrading was "faster connect/disconnect" but to only find that it loads and closes sequences in Cubase in a manner that just feels like it is broken. 

The version I actually use is VE PRO 6.0.16078....which works quite well.  Every version I tried after that seemed like it had some sort of issue that made me go back.

Originally Posted by: flashman

Hi

I run a large template - 1000+ tracks - in Cubase with VSL ep running on the same machine, I have two studios one windows 7 on a 14 core PC and the other windows 10 and an 18 core pc. The same template takes 5-10x longer to load on the windows 10 machine and I can't work out why. Its the same with the latest updates of VSL EP 6 and 7. To be honest I suspect the answer is fairly obviously  - "rebuild it". But I'm in denial as that's a day or two's work.

Any alternative ideas welcome!

Guy

Exact same situation here as well.....

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t52574-Cubase-10-Super-Long-Load-and-Close-Times-VE-PRO-7#post285192

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi dlpmusic, 

That shouldn't be the case. 

Which plug-ins are involved in your setup? Do you want to send a link to such a Cubase 10 song to , so we can check? Do you have any suspicions which part of the loading process could be the culprit?

As we have just released an update: Did you check with VE Pro 7.0.834 yet?

Best,
Paul

I have many plugins....Kontakts, Omnisphere's, etc.....   Thoought it was worth mentioning that I have about a dozen Steinberg HALION 6 instances and a huge amount of the HALion Sonic SE instances...probably close to a hundred of them.

I did find a bug a while ago in HALion (platform) that may or may not be related.  If that patch utilizes one of the convolution effects in Halion (sonic se), like the VST amps or Convulotion reverb, there is a bug in VE PRO 6 or Halion itself that causes very long connection time to VE PRO the first time it connects.  After it connects once you can disconnect and reconnect without any issues.  Perhaps this problem is related to VE PRO 7?

It was 7.0.807....which was what we saw available yesterday.  Had to go back to VE PRO 6.....hard to do a lot of testing here.  There are many plugins.....not suspecting one in particular since the whole template across 4 slave machines really loads slow but disconnects incredibly slow.  We will send you the Cubase file in the meantime. 

VE PRO 6 was working great.....opened my insanely large template in about 1:55 and closed it fairly quickly....well under a minute.

VE PRO7 loads it in over 5:30 minutes and takes almost 10 minutes to close.......absolutely terrible.  There is a lot to like about VE PRO 7 but it is not very workable with these load/unload times....especially since one of the new features is "faster connection" times.

Going back to VE PRO 6....any thoughts on what may be the issue is appreciated.

I am on Windows 10 on all machines....1 Master and 4 slaves.