Logic woun´t calculate the latency from MIR and in combination with track stack audio in the Logic project.

I run all instruments in VEP on a slave PC.
The audio is returned to Logic and sent to MIR as a plug in in Logic

If I have audio tracks in Logic, and the latency in MIR is high (4-8000) there is an error in the handling of the track stack.

If I reduce the latency in MIR the problem disappears.

See video.

Have you tried the Event Input plugin? I am running full multichanneled orchestra, one Instance per group (woods, brass etc...). One port per instrument.

Solution:

My VEP setup has 11 stereo outs. The problem (described in italics below) was in a Logic project with 11 stereo ins.

In a similar setup with only 6 ins this was not a problem.

However, when I sat the outputs in VEPs prefs from 32 to 22 it all worked out.

Itś ok for me, but you may want to look in to this.

Reinstalled Kontakt 5.6.6. Still a problem.

Hi,

Just installed Kontakt 5.7 and now VEP woun´t playback with Latency Compensation on in Logic.

It seems like all the midi data gets "stuck" and only released upon stopping playback (like an avanlance of notes).

I have even tried to remove all potetial latency causing plugins from VEP, without anything happen.

Of course all playback is "happening" when I disable plug in comp (in Logic) but then the VEP instruments are not in sync with the Logic tracks (as they were before).

I run a bunch of UAD plugins in VEP, but, as it doesn´t work when I remove them, they are not the culprit.

Hi,

In my recent orchestral template I have adjusted all the instrument track volumes to seem balanced between groups.

However I wonder what is the best way to do it? as I can see there is the possibility to adjust the levels out from MIR to get the desiered balance.

I have a suspicion that MIR acts differently with different input volumes.

Any experiences from experimenting on this?

Just saw this post.

I´ve been running a one instance VEP with Logic for months.

I use the Event Input plug-in and it works like a charm.

I earlier experienced dropped notes and interference between ports, but now I don´t see any of it.

Cheers,

I have several folders inside a VEP instance. Lets say I have one folder with "Output" busses and one to the right of it, with "MIR" bus routings.

When the Output folder is closed, and I select say four tracks in the MIR folder (by rubberbanding), I also secretly select the same "area" of tracks in the closed (Output) folder.

This means, when I do groups actions on the MIR tracks, I also change values on the hidden, Output tracks.

This applies to all closed folders to the left of the tracks I am working on.

This have given me a lot of heart ake, when I have been routing my orchestral setup, having to redo a lot of stuff.

Hi Dietz.

The option is deactivated, but i still get the MIR window in my instances.

Is it sufficient to close the window to stop MIR from taking resources?

Eirik

Hi,

I have a multi-instance VEP connected to Logic. MIR loads a seperate "instance" in each instance and i can´t put the instruments in "the same room" as to speak.

I am now looking in to using the stand alone MIR as a plugin in Logic, but still want to run the samples via VEP.
So my setup i like this.

VEP <--samples--> LOGIC <--reverb--> MIR PRO

I am though, afraid that the MIRs loaded up in VEP  drains uneccesary resources from my mac.

So: Can i disable them?

PS: I really love the way I can setup my entire orhcestra in one VEP instance --> Full control!, but alas, Logic is no good in multiport setup. Thatś why I am looking to still use a multi-instance setup with Logic

Eirik

I work with all instances Decoupled. However, when I open the project, the little icon with two arrow in a circle on each instance tab is turned off.

In Logic the Decouple all button is in.I have to turn this one on and off to make the icon in VEP turn on again.

Is this a bug in the icon, or is there an error in the decoupling? Or am I doing something wrong?

Does this happen to you?

https://vsl.co.at/community/posts/t42455-Instruments-behave-as-one-in-Multiport#post255911

Here are the sound files as well

I finally got the multiport working, but there is another problem:

It is best explaned thorough this example with four soundfiles including images from the piano editor.

1. Listen to "FluteSoloNormal" with all notes playing. Notice the F in 7.3.

2. "FluteSoloOverlap": If the preceding note had been an F too, and overlapping the note, it would be muted by Kontakt (just the way it is I guess).

3.  "FluteOboeOverlap": If I include the Oboe voice, the Flutes F in 7.3 is muted, like in "FluteSoloOverlap".

4. "FluteOboeRemoveOverlap": If I make a small pause between the Oboe and the Flute (as I would if it where the same instrument) everything is fine.

This means that the Flute channel is affected what comes from other channels. In this example I have a wind quartet playing, and the same thing happens between all the instruments. They are all on separate ports, playing midi channel 1.

Is there a way to avoid this? (Other than going back to the multiple instance setup).

(The library is Berlin WW playing in Kontakt.)

The midi event input plugin is useless, since it makes my instuments unplayable: Notes just randomly do not play.
And, the multiport "solution" actually does not work?

So I am back to my old setup with one instance for each instrument?

When can we expect the AUv3 to implement?

Also, in the 6x16 version the channels for Main 2, port 3 is missing assingments.

Hi,

I am checking out the multliport template for logic, but I use only multitimbral instruments where I change instrument with midi channels, not keyswitches.

All the ports now have one track per midi channel. I have tried to change the track settings from Midi channel 1 to All.It works, but what now happens is that I loose the channel strip in the mixer.

Is there any way to avoid this?

Eirik

Hi Paul,

I am on Capitain (10.11.6) and 6.0.15567 and on my end it does not work. I have tried switching on and off the "Automatically edit selected..." option in preferences but to no avail.

The group function now makes my project crash, and prevents me from connecting to one of the instances (I had to remove the grouping, then it worked).

I figured it out using the copy function. Here I can select multiple channels while pasting. However this does not work on "Volume" or "Output" as far as I can tell (I have not tested all of them).

Thank you,

Eirik

I have LASS full witch means I have four divisi for each string section (Vl1 a, Vl1 B, etc).

I want them all to send to a Bus for early reflections, and one for reverb. (I route different levels for each section).
I also separate the short articulations for each that I also send to two busses.

That is 80 routings in total. I have put them all in the same group, but I had to choose each individual track and select the right bus, 80 times.

I did this yesterday, and my mouse arm actually hurts today. Now, when I open the project the routings are forgotten, they all go to "None". That means I have to do it all over again.

In Logic, you don´t even need groups, you just select multiple channels and whatever you do (bus change, inserts etc) copys to all selected. I could really need this in VEP.

(I have checked all boxes in the Group Settings, so that is not the issuie.)

Cheers,
Eirik

When I do changes to my project I like to save before closing. Now this happend:

1: Press cmd+s

2: VEP promts me to enter filename? Common application behavior is to save as the current name.

3. I choose the same name ("Villagetestsept2016decoup") and asks me if I should overwrites the "old" file.

3. It gets saved as a .vep64 file.

4. I close the program and it asks me if I should save the file. To be shure I answer "Yes".

5. Now it saves as "Villagetestsept2016.vesp64" that is the old name I had before decouping the whole project. This new file is 178.8 mb as opposed the "decoup" 14,9.

6. I now have 3 recent files on my hd (see attached image)

This is all very confusing.

I thought it would work in one of the earliest updates, but 2 updates in nothing happend.

There is only the deafult blank file icon.Is it just me?

Hi,

The new feature of VEP opening the right instance from Logic is superb.

But there are two minor issues:
1. The Plugin window in logic remains open, so I have to close this manually when I am back Logic. I guess this is a Logic issue, so I guess I just have to live with it :)

2. After a restart the Instance opens in mixer view. I would really like for the VEP to remember my last view for session to session. I do all my work in Kontakt, and it´s a bit of a pain for open the kontakt plugin from the mixer almost every time I need to do something.

I guess it would be possible to save this view setting in the pref file or something?

Thank you.

All intances was decoupled and all. The instances are there, but the kontakt plugin is gone.

This should probably be posted in a NI og Orchestratools forum, but it happened in VEP, so ...

OK, Martin, I did it.

So here is my answer to NI after being in contact with them.

"I remove all Berlin instances in VEP and disable all VEP plugins in the corresponding tracks in Logic.

For each try I:
1. Close both Logic and VEP
2. Open VEP and load a new instance.
3. Reload the plugin in Logic.
4. Save and close Logic.
5. Save and close VEP.
Each time this goes well (after try A), I also restart the Mac to ensure there is no memory residue in ram.
And: Whenever I say “It chases” I refer to VEP, not Logic.

A:
All goes fine including the last instrument, "Bassoon 2”
However, If I restart the mac and then try: It crashes.

B:
So I try to delete Clarinet 1 and reinstall Bassoon 2, without restarting: It crashes.
I restart: It crashes!!!

C:
I now delete Clarinet 1, Clarinet 2, Bassoon 1 and Bassoon 2: it works.
I restart: I works.


Now for the fun part:
D:
I delete Bassoon 2 (Bassoon 1 still not connected), and reinstall Clarinet 1 and Clarinet 2. I crashes!!

E:
I delete Oboe 1 and Oboe 2 It works.
I restart: It works.

F:
I delete Carinet 1 and Clarinet 2, and reinstall Bassoon 1 and Bassoon 2.
I restart: It works!!!

I can now reinstall the four last instruments and it works. But if i close and reopen Logic and VEP it crashes.

Conclusion:
It is not a single instance that makes VEP crash, it´s the load of samples.
I have 40 GB of RAM, and the load of samples makes the total “Memory Used:” be 23,47 GB, so it´s not my hardware.
And: It is no problem for VEP to load all instances, It is when Logic is done connecting to VEP, something makes VEP crash.

Eirik

Hi Martin.

Iǘe been in contact with Berlin, that seems to be the affected library, and they suppose it is a bug with the metaframe. They tell me to put together a new metaframe, but I refuse to do that 2 hour work if something else is the matter.

I must say I am a bit frustrated that you, NI and Berlin are all putting the blame on someone else.

Eirik