short answer: yes.

There's a cross grade offer, it's quite convenient, and I agree that it's worth to buy.

...have fun, and don't forget to play with the new 3D orientation of the sound source, it has some unexpected benefit (increasing realism, in particular when you use z axis to point the floor (more ER) or the ceiling (more diffusion). 

I upgraded to MIR Pro 3D and got rid of the eLicenser, but before doing it, I had my VEP 7 working in iLock with MIR Pro legacy without problems:

the only limitation was that the plug-in version was still on eLicenser, and you had to keep it plugged beside iLock to get the full set of requested licenses.

The old roompacks can be removed, because only the new 3D tuned roompacks are used by MIR 3D.

(I did it to save space since I keep them on the Mac SSD).

To be fair I had some trouble importing old VEP projects into the new set-up, but it's a complex combination of VEP7+M1 +Rosetta Mac specific instabilities. I had no problems importing Cubase projects with MIR Pro settings embedded in: they were replicated properly in the MIR Pro 3D environment.

fast reaction by VSL, the MIR 3D update fixing it 

EDIT: I found the update fixing it in Vienna Assistant just few minutes after we wrote: timely debugging VSL!

I had the same issue, and I figured out that it was due to the MIRacle plug-in installed by MIR 3D, but appearing to iLock as part of Vienna Suite instead, and so not authorized. 

I wrote another post just before yours, on the same topic, so crossing fingers VSL staff will answer.

Originally Posted by: FrankC

I am very undecided between Vienna Konzerthaus and The Sage Gateshead.

I already have roompacks 2 and 6.

I'm asking for help.

Thank you for this wonderful Mir Pro 3D.

really a matter of personal taste, but I can share my impressions owning both the venues:

- I would go for Gateshead, because the 3 rooms are more different and unique in my opinion (a small scoring studio, a chamber hall and a gorgeous large concert hall) all of them quite useful. 

- Vienna Konzerthaus venues are all more on the classical music concert-hall side, and for my personal taste, slightly more difficult to fine tune at your will.

Congratulations Dietz and VSL for the achievement:

being one of the nasty supporters, I updated immediately  and the first feedback is quite positive.

To be fair I work with stereo set-up only, but I was curious to see if the higher order ambisonic was providing the density and natural potential improvement to the sound, beside routing, modernized GUI and iLock license benefits.

Perhaps I've a placebo effect bias, but I've the feeling that the IR are better "wrapping" the sound, and the mix of direct sound and reflections sounds more "natural" to me.

Being it true or just imagination, anyway I love the new functions like the preset "roles" management and the dry signal treatment options. Great software-design, guys!

Hello,

I updated VEP7 and MIR today, using Vienna Assistant, and opening for the first time all the apps, I got an unexpected iLock error message asking for the Vienna Suite license (that I don't own).

Later I realized it was due to the MIRacle plugin installed by MIR Pro 3D, that overwrites the MIR Pro old one:

- now the MIRacle plug in is available inside the VEP 7, but is no longer available in AU or VST DAWS: the sequencers find the plug-in but ask for an additional licence to enable it.

Was it intentional (are you removing the right of using MIRacle out of VEP7 for MIR 3D users) or is it a license bug?

Due to the fact MIR Pro 3D is a plug-in for DAWs it should be a pity to loose the option of adding MIRacle to the DAW effect chain.

Updating to MIR Pro 3D on my Mac Studio M1 Ultra:

I had the same problem today with Synchron Stage Venue for MIR 3D. I fixed it checking "keep downloaded library data" into Vienna Assistant preferences.

...all true: simple outcome being "the larger, the better" with a clear priority to SSD.

(since 64Gb RAM sounds still quite effective, while 1Tb SSD sounds quite weak and small yet)

Problem for user is to resist the temptation of rejecting the close-to-criminal prices of larger Apple SSD, and believe in technical experts reporting that it's really worth the price...

I have a Mac Studio Ultra with 64Gb RAM but just 1Tb SSD, and I'm already starting to think I did a miscalculation.

product page says:

COMING SOON! :)

now it sounds serious 🧐 

hi!

unfortunately I have to confirm I got similar disappointment, but not as serious as the one you report:

- I got my Mac Studio Ultra 64Gb work pretty well with (native) Logic and Studio One, but it's pretty obvious that everything native works better. I often experience picks and inconsistent performance when a mixture of native and Rosetta software is running. VEP and Synchron Player are not native yet, so if you use them in Cubase you must use Rosetta and that is not optimal for our machines

- the recent update of Cubase (12.0.30) and VEP (via Vienna Assistant) claim to have improved the mutual compatibility and resulting performance: I didn't test it yet, but I recommend you do after updating, perhaps you get a positive surprise.

In any case, I didn't pay excessive attention to the lack of performance of the current VSL software, because I didn't expect it to work optimally and at top speed in Rosetta, in the hope VSL will deliver soon Silicon Native versions to really stress test and challenge... hopefully this is not too far in the future, and hopefully it will match expectations. I cross fingers on hold till that moment... 

Probably title is misleading :) Indeed VEP works under Rosetta on M1 macs in both AU and VST versions.

MAS sorry I don't know ('cose I don't use it)

Originally Posted by: Macker

"Are we nearly there yet Daddy?"

Lolol.

"I told you we are going far, far, faaar-away, son."

;)

Well, understandable position of product management is to avoid premature communication.

(I hope your boss wasn't too nervous about that LOL)

Anyway we may say you got some positive effects as well, because often you represent the VSL brand at the best of friendly professionalism, and that's a goal for anybody in business.

On the other side, being MIR a flagship product and at the time being, quite outdated, any hope and good news about updates and successor are quite welcome from a PR and commercial point of view as well 

Originally Posted by: Dietz

We work on it day in, day out right now. ;-)

thank you for keeping your supporters base informed and the hope alive :)

Is the new platform still including a plug-in version, to support DAWs beside VEP?

(as I wrote in the other post I really want to get rid of my eLicenser for using MIR, and I will for sure upgrade to MIR 3D from day one, if price will be reasonable)

I'm quite happy with the migration to iLok, even because all my owned licenses and software are already iLok or dongle independent.

So at the actual status I still need to keep the eLicenser only for the MIR Pro plug-ins, (that I massively use in my workflow, and can't skip by the way) and beside keeping a USB port busy, I'm continuously experiencing the (usual, but now even more frequent for some reason, perhaps OS or HW updates or larger USB traffic... don't know) issues with dongle recognition.

So I'm really anxious of getting rid of the eLicenser once and forever: any hope the MIR Pro plug-in iLok updates are coming soon?

Originally Posted by: PaoloT

I've always asked myself what it feels like to be a Tree microphone!

Paolo

LOL :D

amazing.

Originally Posted by: PaoloT

Found it, thank you. Yes, the 2.1s Synchron Stage preset is indeed missing. Obviously, is the one I use the most as the starting point…

Weird... I can still see it into my "enhancers" set of presets. But the whole access to preset of VEP7 + MIR iLok was scrambled (several issues) in the first release. The last update fixed it in my system.

Unfortunately this iLok version seems to be quite unstable on Mac systems as well, and without involving rescale (at least not in an evident way):

I had immediate crash on both my Mac Mini M1 (16Gb RAM) Mac OS 12.3 running  VEP 7.1.1239 and whatever player in Synchron, VI Pro 2, Kontakt 6.7, just changing venue into MIRx mode venue selection.

Same behavior with my Mac Book Pro 2019, i9 8cores, 32Gb RAM, Mac OS 12.3 running very same software set-up.

That sounds then independent from processor/silicon/native operation.

Never had this issue before the update, and I had quite stable operation of VEP on all my systems even with heavy and intricate projects, with very rare crash events, if not at all.

Nice job, Thank you for sharing it.

I also developed my custom curves, but in the VPCEditor app.

Now the velocity curve import export function of the Synchron Piano finally made our life easier, and we can share custom curves and ideas...

Originally Posted by: spicemix

Software in 2022 shouldn't crash.

Such a lost opportunity for a great feedback, probably disrupted by frustration into a final rant.

Who say that in 2022 software shouldn't crash, doesn't know about software: who knows about software should say "software of all ages shouldn't crash... but software of all ages can crash, and it does".

About American vs. European software management, well, I simply can't get it. Had experience with both styles in both the continents/cultures, and even elsewhere (Asia, India etc.). So what's the point? Is the fault of VSL being born in Vienna instead of Los Angeles? Talk to East West customers (just to stay on the same industry) and probably you will find out a different point of view.

...and by chance some of the most lean, efficient and rock-solid professional softwares were from Germany, not from US.

Ok, sorry I didn't resist... now back to music.

VEP update 7.1.1239 fixed the issue with MIRx mode and instruments profile "guess" and automatic recognition.

...and now iLok is done... hopefully beside debugging it (just last little inconsistencies, the overall job was quite brilliant, well done VSL) a VEP7 universal macOS will be released... 

Originally Posted by: Dietz

Thanks for the reminder, I responded to this issue in the other thread already:

-> https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t58582-MIRx-mode-empty-after-iLok-update--where-are-MIRx-settings?find=lastpost#post309379

Thank you very much Dietz, really appreciated. Just to avoid misunderstandings, it's not a duplicate, they are 2 different issues:

- yesterday I noticed the issue with MIRx mode and I posted it.

- today I noticed the issue with instrument profiles recognition and posted this one.