Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi F, 

Any way to identify the culprit here, maybe by eliminating certain plug-ins?

Best, 
Paul

Thanks, that's a good Idea.  Do you mean remove all plugins that I have actually loaded? or all plugins because right now I only have Kontakt and Altiverb loaded into the Vienna project. But have others that are in the vst folder that aren't loaded into the project on either the Cubase or Vienna end.

F

Hi all,

I've been having this problem with Vienna Ensemble Pro and Cubase working together for the better part of a few years now and its beyond frustrating.  I was hoping y'all can help.

When I use VEP (regardless of whether its 6 or 7) on the same Win10 machine as Cubase, it all works well for a while but, at some point, usually after a project has been up for about 24hours or so, one or two of my Vienna Projects within the server project stops responding.  Then when I try to close out of Cubase, both vienna and Cubase hang until I force close Vienna Ensemble after which point, Cubase can close automatically.

Also, if I don't decouple the instances (the brown button) - saving at this point causes a hang of both Cubase and Vienna as well and only a force close of Vienna causes the computer to resume.

What I need to do is then force close vienna, then close cubase and reload the whole thing and that always takes a long time and breaks creative flow tremendously.

Thanks

F

Hey all.  I'm writing about the weirdest conflict and I've tried everything but am pulling my hair out now.

I had a Vienna Server project saved with 9 projects in it, divided by section of orchestra.  The first project was a set of Piano samples with some instruments being Kontakt Based and 2 being EW Play based.   I had a crash and needed to rebuild the system (Windows 10).  All the drive letters are the same.  I reloaded all the apps and all seemed good.  Kontakt was working, Play was working.  Cubase was working and Vienna Ensemble seemed to see all the VSTs and load sounds as did play.  Each part was working the way it ought to have. However, when I went to put it all together again Vienna Ensemble hung while Play was trying to load its samples (would love the ability to 'skip' offending vsti's in a project/server project load btw)

I proceded to remove Play (I tried both version 5 and 6) from all my vst folders and reloaded the project into Vienna.  All the Kontakt's loaded without a hitch.  The instrument that should have had Play, was skipped but the placeholder was there, so what I then did was put the play VST back into its original place, rescanned plugins from within Vienna, loaded it where it should have gone and was able to load my samples....

"Great" I thought.  It must have been a corrupt Play file.  So I resaved the project with the new Play File loaded and quit Vienna (after saving the Server Project).  I figured on the next load should now be smooth.  But the exact same thing happened.   Vienna Hung on the Play load.

What's weird is when I run play alone, I can load the file.  When I load Play into Vienna empty and try to load the samples, they load.  But...when I try to load a Play sample into Play as part of a Project/Server Project load.  It hangs.

The only solution for me right now is to save the project with Play empty and manually load Play on each reload.  Obviously this is not ideal.  Any help would really be appreciated.

Thanks

That's fair, I SHOULD have.  I admitted as much. I'm just trying to figure out how to use the new software without having to pay an arm and a leg more.

So, moving on.

If the two can't communicate, that would still work if I could run both 6 and 7 as plugins inside Cubase.  I can have a 7 server on my local computer and have the other servers on remote boxes be 6.  As long as I can run both 6 and 7 as plugins within cubase (or any other daw for that matter) simultaneously, I should be ok, otherwise, I'm out 90bucks for something that I can't use without spending a boat load more.

So I guess the next question would be whether I can run two instances of the VEP vsti plug in with two different versions from within the same DAW - I'd imagine as long as the Daw sees them as two distinct VSTi it shouldn't be a problem.  That's how I can run Kontakt 5 and 6 simultaneously.  

I just upgraded with the assumption that licensing was similar to 6 - that is one set of three licenses....incorrect.  Mea Culpa, but I have 3 (x3) VEP6 licenses and its spread out among 7 or 8 machines...that would make a full upgrade really expensive.  

Seeing as how I won't be purchasing 6 or 7 more licenses for my remote machines, I'd like to know whether or not VEP7 will work with VEP6.  That way I can put 7 on my main processing machine and use 6 in the remote machines for simpler tasks.

Thanks.

I'd love to find that too....

Paul,

Just a heads up that the issue isn't with cubase as what I've been doing in an attempt to avoid reloading everything is closing cubase and sometimes and leaving vienna open.  However, sometimes, when I open cubase back up after leaving only vienna ensemble up overnight, the problem presents itself again.  That is, cubase becomes sluggish and slow to respond, each keystroke/mouse click taking 5-6 seconds..  When I've seen it happen 'live' It is usually preceded by an audio-crackling.

I've tried reinstalling cubase and vienna and still no solution.

All the best

Boris

Hey all,

I have a small request and know that it may not be possible as its related to another pieces of sw running inside VEP, but I figured, if you COULD do it, it would make life so much easier.  I'd love a global sample purge of all loaded samples in every project of a server.

Right now I have a server project with 9 vienna projects loaded, each with 8-9 instances of Kontakt loaded within.  When I want to 'skinny' my pallette for fast loading I have to go into each of these instances and global purge the samples and then save the project and then save the Vienna Server Project.  Tedious...at best.   It would be awesome if there were a single click that would allow me to do that....

Also, while we're at it, a single button to automate the process of saving each loaded project within a server project as an individual project would be super.   So I press one button and it saves each project withint the server as its own entity instead of my having to do it manually for each one.

Thanks

F

Thanks, will do, should I create a dump for Cubase, Explorer.exe or Vienna?

Hey all, 

I've had this same problem with Cubase 8.5 and VEP 4 and am at my wits end.   I'm running Cubase 8.5.2 with Vienna 6.0.15563 on a Windows 10 Machine with 64gigs of ram.  I'm using about 14gigs of Ram in Vienna and about 3 or 4 in Cubase.   My processor is and Intel i7-5960X and I haven't overclocked.

I use Vienna Ensemble 6 (used to be 4) with cubase 8.5.  I have one internal metaframe on my Cubase machine with 5 projects instantiated in it and also have two remote VEP that I use.

Everything seems to work fine, but then, after what seem like random periods of time Cubase crashes and becomes unresponsive.  I can't even close out of it without using the task manager.   Once I close out, however I find that the vienna ensemble projects are mostly disconnected, except for one or two usually, in my most recent setup its always the same one that stays connected.  Even with Cubase closed, I can't "decouple" that instance.  I can't even exit out of Vienna Ensemble Pro, because VEP hangs while trying to close as it tries to decouple the instances of itself (from a sequencer that is no longer open).

If I try to load Cubase after such a crash, without force closing Vienna Ensemble on the host machine it is completely unresponsive and the time between clicks and actions is very long.   

The only solution is to exit out of cubase and then force quit the Vienna Ensemble server.  Once I reload the VEP metaframe and reload cubase, all functions normally, until, that is, the next crash which is usually a few hours into working.  This, of course, is very time consuming and destroys and real functionality the 'preserve instance' brings.

The reason I don't think its Cubase by itself is that once I reload the metaframe all works ok...but as long as the previous metaframe is loaded cubase is very very laggy.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

F

PS - I've attached a picture of the vienna metaframe with the percussion project still coupled.  This is after attempting to close out of cubase and, I think, part of the problem.

Hey Paul,

Any luck on finding a workaround?

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi F, 

That depends on your settings. I´d check Parameter Automation Settings in VE PRO and CC 7 und CC11 (Volume and Expression). Also check that your connected MIDI devices are not sending any data...

Best,
Paul

Thanks for the info, this has never happened to me in all the years I've used VEP.   Where exactly are the Parameter Automation Settings?   I have cc7 and 11 running, but those normally only affect the instances of Kontakt and Play on their respective midi channels.

B

Hey all,

I'm using VEP 4 wit cubase.   I use a remote instance for my strings.    For some reason, the fader for the strings track in the remote vienna server seems to constantly be shifting downwards.   I can only assume there's an errant cc message somewhere that cubase is sending it.   What cc# should I be looking for to edit out.

thanks

F

Thanks,

That makes sense.   I will be recording a session with live guys at 48 so I will have to convert some of the stuff that isn't being recorded (pads, synths) from 44.1 to 48.   Will that be problematic?

How much of an audio fidelity hit are we speaking about by working in 44.1 vs 44.8?

Question,

I've been writing a movie with a 44.1 sample rate.  Have about 47 cues done.   I am running cubase 8 and have three Vienna Ensemble (v 4) running.  One internal and two external.  Each of these have multiple Vienna Projects inside it loaded with mostly Kontakt Instruments and One with A bunch of Vienna Instruments.

I was just asked to switch the sample rate of my projects to 48.   I'm reluctant to do that as I'm worried that this will mess up my templates and vienna projects/multis.

What process would y'all recommend to make my switch as easy as possible.

 Do I need to reload the Metaframes EVERY time I switch back and forth between projects?  That is, I need to switch 47 cues around.  Will I need to unload and reload all vienna instances every time?

For example:  

Currently I have Internal Vienna with a Metaframe loaded that has 5 active instances each with about 10 projects in it - mostly Spitfire, Play and Vienna.   The two externals are loaded roughly the same way.   

Originally Posted by: Dietz

Exactly. MIR will take care for these tasks. It might be necessary to counteract the "built-in" stereo panorama of 3rd party products, though, to give MIR enough free reign to do its thing. Vienna Instruments are always recorded centered.

Thanks for the detailed reply.  I'll be testing it out this week.  I understood most everything, except the above.   How does one counteract the panning of the instrument itself, would this be done inside MiR, or on the fader before the sound even gets to mir or on the interface of the VSTi (spitfire,play etc)....

Thanks

F

Hi all,

Sorry if this has already been asked before, and my apologies if any of it is self-explanatory...

I wanted to try out MiR.  While I am currently using both the Vienna Libraries (cube) and various 3rd party libs, I find most of my sequences, for one reason or another are done on the 3rd party libs such as EW, Lass, CineSamples and Spitfire.   Many of these libraries have various mic positions for their samples, usually at least close/mid/main and surround.    When using Mir, should I only load up the close samples?  Will loading the Decca Tree position mess up what Mir is doing?  

Also, I run most of my pallete through VEP 4, and use the positional panning feature (the cone at the top of the mixer) to set various section positions (violins,violas,celli,bass,,....etc)....should I set these to their default spread when using MIR?

Finally, do y'all recommend using MiR as the only reverb or do any of you find that using an algorithmic 'verb after MiR is useful.

Thanks

F

Disregard.

I refreshed and all seems to be well.

Hello all,

I just tried to download the 30day trial of Mir and got the error "You are not eligible to buy a demo product"    I'm not sure what's going on.  I've logged in and my account seems to be in order.

Thanks

F

Just installed Vienna Instruments 5.   Within VEP I'm able to load up the instruments just fine, however, if I want to load an instrument into cubase the sequencer doesn't seem to see the plugin at all.  

I've looked in all the basic places

c:/program files/common files/vst3,

c:/program files/common files/steinberg/vst 3 (and 2)),

c:/program files/vstplugins, and c:/program files/steinberg/vstplugins....

(I've also looked in the x86 folders as well)

Where would I find the VST plugin...

Thanks

F

Thanks Paul.  But, isn't that the comparison between VE 5 and VEP5?   I'm trying to see the benefit of upgrading from VEP4.

Thanks

F

Hi all,

Running windows 10 and would like to know if its possible to have VEP server64 start with windows?  If so, how do I go about doing it.

Thanks

F