Makes sense, Andi. There must be something else in the chain and I'll find it.

Tks for everything so far.  

Gil

Thanks, Andi

I'd say that adding this word of caution inside the VE_Optimizing_Sibelius_Playback document could be helpful to others, too.

I have another question, regarding the samples in the VE SY SE instruments package: are they MP3 samples? 

I say this because the wave output looks seriously clipped like that of an MP3! Attached are screen shots of the same quartet generated as a 16-bit 44.1 kHz WAVE file but using different samples: 

[Top] with the solo string instruments of the former Special Editions PLUS and the VI Pro 2 player, using the VE Special Edition PLUS soundset and MIR PRO disabled.  

[Middle] with the solo string instruments of SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions and the Synchron Player, using the VE SY Special Edition soundset and MIR Pro on the SynchronStage

[Bottom] As a test, I also replaced the solo sounds, in the Sibelius mixer, for the sounds of SYNCHRON I violins, violas and celli, just to compare the waveform. 

I did not insert any plugins on the channels. And the Dynamic Range CC30 controler is at the default 63 for VI Pro 2 player, 80 for Synchron 1 in the Synchron Player, and 127 for the Synchron-ized SE instruments. 

Could there be some kind of imbedded limiter in the Synchron-ized SE instruments?  

Tks Andi,

You are absolutely right. The soundset [<FileVersion>50001</FileVersion> <Name>VE SY Special Edition</Name>] DOES contain the necessary definitions, right after the Harp patch, but they don't appear in the Sibelius interface:

-<Patch Name="Solo Violin">

<SoundID>strings.violin</SoundID>

<VolumeType>VelXF</VolumeType>

<AttackType>NoteOnVelocity</AttackType>

<SwitchType>Solo Strings</SwitchType>

<PitchBendRange>2</PitchBendRange>

</Patch>

-<Patch Name="Solo Violin II">

<SoundID>strings.violin</SoundID>

<VolumeType>VelXF</VolumeType>

<AttackType>NoteOnVelocity</AttackType>

<SwitchType>Strings no trills</SwitchType>

<PitchBendRange>2</PitchBendRange>

</Patch>

Incidentally, looking at the articulations appearing in the Synchyron Player 1.1.1780: why does Violin I PLUS contain [Keyswitch E: Tremolo+trills] while Violin II PLUS doesn't have trills?  And Violin 1 PLUS has [Keyswitch F#: harmonics] while Violin II PLUS doesn't have them? Etc.

Back to your suggestion, I first applied the soundset 'VE Strings', from which I selected Solo Violin' and then switched the soundset to VE SY Special Edition : well, the Program name stayed there! and the trick worked in general as well as regarding the tremolo issue. [How on earth did you figure out that trick, Andi?!?] 

All EXCEPT for violin 2... Sibelius doesn't trigger the second violin in VEP 7: it triggers Violin 1 !!!! So I changed the second violin to a first violin program in Sibelius and now it plays in VEP7... (e.g. Sibelius doesn't like the soundID 'strings.violin.2'?!?). For the time being I can change the VEP7 channel of Violin 2 to a matching Violin 1 PLUS sample and get back the missing trills and harmonics... but I will probably have to deal with possible resonance or other issues that come with this change. I will also have to address the issue with Avid/Sibelius (somehow). 

To sum it up: I think that selecting the proper programs in the VE SY Special Edition soundset is a Sibelius issue. But how about the Violin II PLUS issue (no trills, no harmonics, etc.)? 

Tks

Gil

Note: I forgot to mention that when assigning the sound set “VE SY Special Edition” to my device playback configuration in Sibelius, I could not find the Sibelius violin/viola/cello instrument with “Solo” at the beginning of the name. So I used "Violin" - and that's probably the reason for the problem. Is that instrument missing from the soundset?

I have two Synchron-ized SE instruments (solo Vln 2 and solo Vla) playing a half-note notated as [Beams/Tremolos: 8 tremolos] -- but Synchron Player [1.1.1780] plays them back as 'Keyswitch F: Pizzicato'. See figure 1.

For context, I use Sibelius 2020.1, the Vienna Symphonic Library House Style that comes with VSL Sibelius Soundsets 1.0.171, and the following SOLO string instruments of the Synchron-ized Special Edition: Violin 1 PLUS, Violin 2 PLUS, Viola PLUS, Cello Plus. 

I have tried the trick that works with SYNCHRON STRINGS I when changing articulations: I inserted the Technique text "ord.~tremolo" but the notes still play back as 'Keyswitch F: Pizzicato'. See figure 2.

I expected the VSL House style and Synchron player would select/play 'Keyswitch E : tremolo'  instead...

For the time being I have reverted to the VI Pro 2 player - and it plays everything just fine.

Any idea?

When I mix Synchron Strings under Synchron Player with Vienna SE winds and brass instruments under VI Pro 2 I find a noticeable delay/latency on attacks between the two types of instruments. Has anybody experienced that, before?

As a comparison, here is a pice called "Variations sur 'Vivace' de Theodore Kirchner" - arrangement and variations I made of a piano piece called "Vivace" by Théodor Kirchner (Op. 57, No. 2). One sample uses the Synchron I strings under Synchron Player; the other sample replaces the Synchron Strings with SE Orchestral strings, under VI pro.

Attachments:

OP270N1_m1_Variations sur Vivace de Kirchner_SE_VIpro.mp3

OP270N1_m1_Variations sur Vivace de Kirchner_Synchron.mp3

The Sibelius Optimization v4.5 document says the VE Strings sound set works with the Synchron Strings I (Synchron Player version). It also states that it is possible to trigger harmonics : ("see VE Special Edition PLUS section. Only available with Vienna Symphonic Library House Style loaded.)". And in the section on VE Special Edition PLUS and VE SY Special Edition, it describes how Harmonics can be reached in three ways.

In particular, it mentions that "to make (harmonics) sound two octaves higher, select the slot “Harmonics” in the first dimension (Articulation). Go to the EDIT tab and set Octave to “1”."

Problem is, I don't find ANY harmonics slot in the first dimension (Articulation). Did I miss something during the installation?

Tks

Gil

By Jove! the Custom cells (A6, B6, C6 of the basic matrices)... Forgot about them - but now they sure will come in handy.

Tks Andi

Does anybody know how to trigger the Synchron Strings 1st-violins Cantabile samples in Sibelius? Should I be able to find a corresponding update to the VSL Soundset Installer (currently v.1.0.159)? And info in an updated "Optimizing Sibelius Playback with Vienna Ensemble" document?

Tks

Gil

I agree. 

Btw, does anybody know how to trigger the cantabile patch in Sibelius?  

Three little words and a dot (ord.) have made my day! 

Thanks Andi - and keep up the good work.

Gil

Tks Andi,

Just to say that that the EPIC Orchestra 2.0 samples, played thru Sibelius 2019.1, and using the latest "VE EPIC Orchestra" soundset (SibeliusSoundsets-WIN-1.0.156), work well for me (and yield great sounds!)- all except for one: "rise & hit detache" in "12 Synchron FX Strings I Light". 

Inserting technique text "detache" doesn't trigger it; however, adding the D1# keyswitch does work. All other articulations of FX Strings ("glissando", "ord.", harmonics") work OK.

Gil

Hello Paul, 

Looking forward to this new offering.

Up until now, I used the "VE Epic Orchestra.xml" soundset in Sibelius when working with sounds of the 'EPIC orchestra' in VE Pro 6.  

I just bought VEP 7 and downloaded the bundled samples for "EPIC Orchestra 2.0". Given that this new package has all kinds of sound types, what soundset shall I have to use in Sibelius when VEP 7 becomes available?

Tks

Gil

Hello,

My VE PRO 6 project (6.0.17011) comprises 6 instances. While the channels of the first instance are still loading, VEP displays a dialog box informing me of a pending update. If I reply (e.g. "remind me later"), everything freezes: VEP stops loading and the dialog box never regains control; the process must be killed using the Task Manager. However, if I let it run and load everything, then I can click "Remind me later" or "Install Update", and everything will work fine (e.g. my 'work around').

Possible interference between threads?

Tks

Gil

Originally Posted by: andi

Hello Gil!

(...) Have you tried putting an "ord." command before the "flautando" command? (...)

Best regards,
Andi

10-4 Affirmative! Was even mentioned in the Sibelius Optimizing PDF! Was 4 kleine Charaktere können (ord.)!

Tks Andi

I just tried the latest (Posted by Andi on Wed, Jun 20 2018 11:43) updated Sibelius VE Strings soundset with Synchron Strings 1. I get back super sounds and articulations (e.g. legato espressivo) - except for "flautando".

The definition exists in the dictionary as <SoundIDChange="+flautando"> and I can trigger it by inserting C#1+G#2 into the staff; however, I get nothing by creating "flautando", whether as a Technique Text (as suggested in the Optimizing Sibelius Playuback V3.7) or as an Expression text or even as a regular Staff text .

What's the secret?

Tks

Gil

Hello

My VE 6 PRO project combines samples and players from Special edition/VI Pro and Synchron Strings/Synchron Player. Because of this "mixing" or hybrid situation, I chose to use Room-mix (deca tree) presets for the Synchron strings microphones; however there is still noticeable delay/latency on attacks between the Synchon strings and the VI Pro/SE instruments (flutes, trumpets, oboes, etc.) - especially when all playing fast+short notes. 

Should I reduce the "delay" currently found in the "Mid" microphone presets - or are there other more pertinent parameters that I'm not aware of, and that could help reduce this delay? 

Tks!

Oh my.... Sorry Andi...

I just looked at the attached image... to realize, all of a sudden, what was my error: I selected "alto...Sax" instead of "Alto recorder". And same for the Tenor. Changed that and all works OK! Problem was "in front of the screen" ;-)

Please close this report and have a merry 2017!

Gil

Originally Posted by: andi

Hello gilles1234!

"Why don't you use the "VE Woodwinds+Brass" sound set and VI presets for Sibelius we prepared?"
http://www.vsl.co.at/en/MyDownloads/Notation_Related

Hi Andy,

Yes, I'm using the indicated soundset (see attached). However, Sibelius doesn't seem to pass on the controls (e.g. it doesn't change cells when the score goes stacatto and then legato etc.).

Gil

Hi,

I cannot get trill articulations (33 RE-Al_perf-trill_Vib and 34 RE-Al_perf-trill_noVib) to work for the Alto Recorder, although the cells are loaded (VI pro shows 35MB of RAM) and the keyswitches are set. Attached is a 4-bar Sibelius snipet that works when played with the soprano instrument but not with the alto-recorder instrument.

Any ideas?

Wait a minute... If VSL makes a necessary change to the dictionnary (e.g. to support certain instruments) and I import my old dictionnary from a backup (aptly renamed) soundset, then will the import "merge" the two sets of information or simply replace the VSL dictionnary (in which case I will recoup my old settings but loose the new ones of VSL)? 

Tks

Gil

Tks Andi! That's probably the best approach.

Too bad the Dictionnary isn't a separate, autonomous object that could be combined eoyj different other styles...

Hello

Simple question: If I made additions to the playback dictionnary associated with soundset "Vienna Symphonic Library" and then I run the latest Sibelius VSL Soundset Installer, will those changes be lost? If so, what's the best practice method of preserving the changes I made?

Tks!

Gilles

I opened an old VEP5 project saved it as VEP6. Stopped and restarted VEP6 and opened that new project again.

1st time, it froze solid "loading channels... 90%

Second time: it got thru

Third time: it got thru

Fourth time: it got thru

I then modified a Vienna Suite EQ filter on the violas in one instance, and saved the preset in the same project.

Saved the project, stopped VEP6, restarted, re-opened the project.

It got thru and the preset was loaded correctly.

Don't know if it fixes all other issues mentioned by other members but at this point I'd like to say tks cum laude to the dev & support teams for a quick turnaround and efficient fix!

(nb: beforehand, VEP6 would get stuck (sometimes at 76%, sometimes 90%, sometimes 16%) loading one of the instances in the project. It rarely giot to load the entire project.)

Similar problem here, using VEP6 version 224 and with all filters exclusively from Vienna Suite (no Kontakt etc.). After successfully opening a VEP 5 project (with multiple instances) and saving it as a VEP 6 project, the reloading always gets stuck mid-way (sometimes 76%, sometimes 90%, sometimes 16%). Once, did it manage to successfully load everything. For now, I end up cancelling VEP6, restarting it and reloading the same old VEP5 project; however,  I can no longer save any changes to that project, under VEP6. 

Gil

Windows 10 Pro x64 build 10586.545, Intel i7-5930K 64GB, VEP 6.0.15224, Vienna suite 1.5.2049, vienna mir pro 5.4.14074, VI pro 2 2.4.14074, vienna imperial 1.1.716 and a couple of roompacks