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1.Mussorgsky 3/10/2011 4:40:59 AM

That is a great short bio, thanks for finding it.  I never really had a sense of how innovative the changes in Pictures at an Exhibition are, or that Rimsky-Korsakoff had revised so much of his work.  Does that mean that the Ravel orchestration was built partially from Rimsky-Korsakoff's revisions?

2.Mussorgsky 3/9/2011 4:08:36 AM

I didn't think there was any chance I was going to log in, let alone post, I just haven't been through the forums for awhile, and it's one of my favorite communities.  But to see a post about Mussorgsky and then the prediction that no one will respond to it was too much.  Really enjoyed the post (and the response about movies too:)).  Did Mussorgsky ever do an orchestration for Pictures?  It's true that the piano composition seems profoundly Russian, but I would have to have said the same of the Ravel orchestration if I didn't know it was French.  Maybe because of the strength of the original composition, but it is a remarkable collaboration.  Did they ever meet?

3.Logic 9 locking up when initiating VI window 9/5/2009 1:39:58 AM

Glad to hear that you're back running.  I've had no problem since I went back to the earlier version, and now I've worked extensively in that file.  Maya sent me an updated version that I'll check out after I finish a project I'm in the middle of.  Thanks Maya!

4.VSL solo strings quartet + Borsendorfer for Tool cover - need help 9/4/2009 5:39:16 AM
Definitely don't try the velocity cross fader on the Bösendorfer, it's not supposed to work. The download manual says "No velocity crossfades were mapped for this instrument since this wouldn't make much sense. Please make sure that the velocity crossfading option is set to "off" when you play - otherwise there will be no sound at all." (It makes no sense because once you play a key on a piano, that's the sound it makes, whereas on a violin you can continuously change the sound of a note as you play.) The manual is at USER AREA / DVD INSTRUMENTS / Library Manuals. And jasensmith is definitely right, the velocity cross fader is difficult. I also agree with him about your vocal (which was plenty cool), that with the vocal you really don't have to worry nearly as much about fine sonic details in the instrumentation, because people are listening to the vocal so much.



As for velocities, the Logic velocities are only an indication of the note value in Logic, the actual velocities of the samples change only at specific values. Check out the values in the manual, but for example, from velocity 2 to 29 is one sample (very soft) then there's another from 30 to 49, and so on. The changes you hear within these ranges are just internal level adjustments in the Logic software. Also, be aware that the two quietest velocities, 0 and 1, don't make a sound in the Bosendorfer, they play the sound of key noise (for added realism in a really classical performance, that would never be heard in a track like yours).



I don't think that your keyboard is a problem; it's just hard to get these things right. I'm always in the matrix window in Logic, adjusting the velocities of any note that sounds weird in any way, musically or sonically. Thanks for the kind words, I'm working on a track with the Bösendorfer in it now.
5.VSL solo strings quartet + Borsendorfer for Tool cover - need help 9/2/2009 6:00:35 AM

Hi Leah.  I just listened to the whole track and I thought it was outstanding.  I do have several ideas for you to try.  I've  been a producer for a much longer time than I've been a composer, so my experience is much more oriented toward making things sound like the artist wanted them to sound.  I thought the arrangement was really good, by the way, both piano and strings.  The harshness in the Bösendorfer is exactly at 1kHz and 2kHz (I just checked it in a project), so if you put any eq on it, set the frequency to 1kHz (which is the same as 1000) and dip something narrow, like a Q of 4 or 5 (if you see Q on the eq controls, if not, don't worry) by 3dB, that will help.  More importantly, I would stay away from all of the louder velocities in the strings and the piano.  Use a lower velocity, and then mix the track louder (either with automation on the Logic Track, or with the expression, they're exactly the same audio result).  The louder volume will still be perceived as intensity, but without some of the sample weirdness, which is just unavoidable, even in great collections like these.  (By the way, excuse the long paragraph, I don't know how to format these yet.)

On the strings, I've been amazed at how much brightness I need to pull out of these strings.  If you think about it, nobody ever hears strings like a microphone does, we hear them bouncing off of walls at a distance, and that removes a tremendous amount of the treble.  I would use any EQ in Logic and take everything over 4K or 5K down a lot, maybe 3 or more dB.  I've also been using the built-in filter in the Performance part of the VI interface, and at a setting of 90 or so (out of 100) it works pretty well, but the EQ is much easier.

Finally, beware of that ruthless meatcleaver, the Logic multiprocessor.  It always sounds good as your tired ears finish the session, and only later can you hear the way it's massacring your hard work.  Having said that, the track I listened to didn't sound that way at all, so you must have kept pretty good control over it.  Great work --  good luck with it.  Finally, I just reread the end of your post, the Bösendorfer on your track is not pingy except where you hit the louder velocities, I think it's a great sound for most of that track.

 By the way, you can check out a much different vibe, but also Piano and Strings (VI strings, but before I had the Bösendorfer) at aotpr.com/ohana -- page way down to the track "Let It All Down".  For VI solo viola and cello sounds, check out the track "Hidden".

6.Logic 9 locking up when initiating VI window 9/1/2009 3:21:35 AM
Sorry I can't help with VE, my problem was only with VI, because I had disabled multiple outputs in both Logic and ProTools before installing VI, so the Vienna Ensembel software wouldn't run. I was able to find a February 2009 version of the VI software to reinstall (vsl.co.at/USER AREA / Software / Viennna Instruments) but I took a quick look before writing this and didn't see anything similar for Vienna Ensemble. For what it's worth, I seem to be alright since the deinstall. I'm not completely sure yet because I'm only about ten minutes or so back into really working the project. Good Luck --
7.Logic 9 locking up when initiating VI window 8/31/2009 3:18:15 AM
I followed the instructions from an earlier post, and it seems to have solved the problem: (THANKS ROB and civilisation 3, see their posts on August 20 at 13:44 and August 18 at 17:00, and thanks to everybody!

1. Run the Vienna Instruments Uninstaller
2. Delete all Vienna Instruments and Vienna Ensemble Receipts (".pkg" files) from Library>preferences: com.apple.logic...plist. I deleted this file, but DID NOT delete the vsl preferences in the same folder.
I reinstalled, and the problem of having Logic fail to open the VSI windows (like everybody else, it goes to the beach ball and I have to Force Quit) went away. Better sentence: the problem went away.
However, I did have to run the Directory Manager and show it where the folders were again. I have not yet tried actually working in the session, nor have I tried it ProTools, but this was much better than it has been before. Thanks so much for those very helpful posts.
8.Logic 9 locking up when initiating VI window 8/30/2009 8:27:12 PM
I didn't make it clear in my first post that I am mainly experience the problem in Logic, but I am in Logic 7.2.3, not Logic 9. The ProTools experience was an attempt at a work-around.

Here are my system details:

Mac G5 Quad PowerPC
OSX 10.4.8
LogicPro 7.2.3
ProTools HD 7.3.1
9.Logic 9 locking up when initiating VI window 8/30/2009 8:19:39 PM
I have been experiencing all of these problems, and thanks to all of you for taking the time to post them here. I can add that I also run ProTools HD, and when I install the VI plug-in on an instrument channel in ProTools, the same result occurs: it may work normally once or twice, but soon, attempting to open the VI window freezes ProTools. This is on a project that I have been working on for several months, and the problem definitely began when I installed the new VI software. I can uninstall, but where do I get a copy of the old VI version? I thought I'd send this first, I'll post more system info and try some of the posted suggestions and update a little later. Thanks.

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