I wonder if Synchron will eventually go the same way as 3d TV and curved screens......

Can't tell from the sample list, are there pfp roll articulations for the timpani, bass drum, tams and cymbals. These are very useful articulations missing from the current VSL percussion samples.

Thanks

I have ongoing concerns about the "fragility" of my VSL licenses.

Having spent many thousands of pounds/dollars/euros over the years I feel it would be timely for VSL to investigate a solution that addressed the high percentage of their users so (rightly) concerned about losing the licenses they have purchased.

Hi,

Could anyone give a detailed explanation of how the repeat function engine works in VI Pro.

I have a repeated sequence of the same note which I'm sending to a violin rep staccato articulation. I have set the repeat threshold to the maximum (10") so as to have as few repeated notes as possible across the piece.

I can see the note indicator move along the row each time the note is played. However if I switch to another articulation for a couple of notes (say violins rep por) when I return to the staccato patch it has continued the note order as if the staccato notes had been played.

The rep stac patch has 8 repeat notes and one that stands out a little on the note I'm using. This repeats every 8th note on the sequence  even if you switch to another articulation and back. To be clear if you had a repated sequence of middle C quavers (staccato) going on forever with the 4th and 5th notes in each bar played with a portato articulation rather than staccato then the 4th and 5th notes in the staccato patch would never sound.

Is my understanding of this correct?

Thanks

Julian

Hi Paul,,

Got the computer up and working again - unbelievable by baking the video card at 200C in the oven for 10 minutes - makes the solder flow just enough to sort out dry joints!!

So have sent a Zip with the problem - it's not the song I have the problem in but it exhibits the issue. There is also an audio file with a bounce in case your set up doesn't show the issue.

Thanks

Julian

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the reply.

My graphics card in my MacPro has just bitten the dust so will not have access to the Logic Song until early next week. I can say it is unliklely to have anything to do with the song as I can recreate the problem by just clicking on the VI Pro keyboard. Repeat notes just aren't working on the articulations above. Run up a scale is OK but playing the same note more than once isn't. As it is working fine in the standalone VI Pro player could it be a Logic/VI Pro bug on these articulations? Some Tuba perf rep articulations are working fine in the same VI Pro Instance. No VI Pro instance loaded into Logic will play the problem articulations though.

I tried playing about with the humanise functions and got more than one repeated note to play if I increased the time humanisation fader to near max (I'm not using the humanise functions in my song). So I wonder if there is a glitch in the humanise function in VI Pro when loaded with the Tuba articulations.

Could you try a VI Pro instance in Logic and see if the repeat notes will play in the articulations noted above?

Thanks

Julian

Hi,

Having problems with the Tuba perf-rep articulations in Logic X with VI Pro.

The repeat notes are not firing. If you increase the delay setting in humanise a lot they more will fire but it's still very glitchy.

Done obvious things like re-load the pre-sets, re-copy the files and re-install VI Pro. The Tuba articulations work fine on the stand alone and on Vienna Instruments in Logic but not on VI Pro in Logic.

Can someone test this i wonder if it's a VI Pro problem? The faulty patches are por-fa, leg, cre9 por fa, dyn6 leg. The other perf repetition patches for the Tuba are working normally. My RAM is only a quarter utilised and using fast SSDs

Thanks

Julian

OS 10.10.5 Logic 10.2.1 VI Pro 2.4.13845

Hi,

I'm using the VI Remote Control app on an iPad to change articulations and at the same time record these to midi.

I often want to edit the notes created, move them or extend them. However the notes created, regardless of how long you press the articulation button are extremely short. Is there any way to have a default length that is longer?

The short notes created are so short it cann be difficult to select the ends or starts them for editing (using the piano roll in Logic)

Thanks

Julian

"I was trying to create a veeery soft passage, so I pushed my Velocity xFade all the way down to 1, and even though it was much lower in volume, it didn't have the soft texture of a ppp velocity layer. "

To have the impression of a really soft passage it is more likely to suceed if it has come from somewhere else, by which I mean it follows a louder section! Also use of level and distance in the mix helps to crate the softness. I find these really soft textures are achievable with the VSL samples just a cae of the correct dynamics.

However soft the samples are if they are too loud in the listening environment not only do they start to loose their softness you start to hear the bowing noise quite strongly which not only sounds like a hiss aslo makes it sound harsher.

Julian

Hi,

Use of the most suitable articulation for each note is key so you can end up with a lot of articulations on a single midi track. I used to hand enter the articulations as often I needed changes quicker than I could reliably switch from my keyboard. What sped up the process for me was using the VSL remote (free) on an iPad the connection being over WiFi. You can record all the articulation commands as you go and then move them if necessary in your DAW.

Also use of volume control, crossfade volume and positioning each instrument appropiately in a mix all helps.

Finally if an articulation is not quite fitting try others that might not appear to be obvious choices - in the mix they may provide the desired effect.

Julian

Hi Stig,

Have you tried playing the glissando as the actual notes you want. Then you can select the speed that works for you and the respective volume of each and every note. If you extend the note length so that there is a long overlap very realist results can be achieved and of course you are not limited by the presets keys.

Julian

Hi Andy,

Listening to your demo, thanks for this, the samples appear to have very strong vibrato. Is this amount present on all articulations and velocitly layers?

It does bias the style towards more operatic type works rather than general use, and from what I hear may rule out their use in more etheral/atmospheric works.

I'm waiting for the VSL demos but in the meantime be good to find out how universal the vibrato is.

Thanks

Julian

Hi,

You can sometimes get Logic ignoring volume automation.

Things to try:

Make sure midi volume isn't fighting with track automation - they can both be active at the same time. Use one or the other - if using midi automation turn off track automation (turn "read" to off) If using track automation look in the event list to make sure there are no unintended control 7 events.

Try the sequence on another track - copy the region to a new instrument track then copy paste the track settings - and rewrite the automation.

Finally if non of this works copy the sequence to a new empty song and see if the problem disappears - may be that there is some corruption in the song.

Good luck...and happy Christmas...

Julian

Hi Herb,

Should I e-mail the number or just wait?

Thanks

Julian

Hi,

Just bought a new Vienna Key, my present one was still working absolutely fine but worried that if it sulked (it's a few years old now) I'd loose all my licenses without any recourse.....

So I've transfered my licenses to the new key - is there a quicker way to do this my licenses (37) took about 15 minutes of constant clicking and "checking inernet connection", etc Bulk transfer anyone?

I went to register my Vienna Key on the product registration page but it won't accept a numbers only S/N. I also tried copy pasting the serial number using the "Steinberg" command in e-licenser but to no avail.

So what is the correct process?

Thanks

Julian

PS: We've both been here almost 10 years - expecting free copies of Epic Percussion on our birthdays!

Lovely sounding piece Guy... Bravo!

Julian

Hi Herb,

My understanding is that if you play a note in an articulation, then switch to a new articulation and play the same note again the new articulation will play a starting note even if the repeated notes is legato. This is the behaviour that I see when I use VI-Pro in Logic.

It is just that what you describe above appears to contradict this. I set up the sequence that cgernaey described in the initial post, the final B3 expressive sample definitely plays a starting note. So by changing articulation the note sequence is always reset to play a starting note regardless of what has played before.

Julian

Well this wasn't quite what happenned. Usig a new instance allowed me to play the whole sequence (on that instance) with the starting note playing normally.

Also Herb, I would have thought when a patch change is keyswitched the first sample played in that new patch should be a starting note regardless of any previous note that has played? This is the behaviour i find when using VI-Pro.

Julian

Not sure if you found a solution?

I have tried your sequence with the articulations you described and it plays as expected with the first repetition sounding on the VC sus Vib-espr.

I have come across similar issues in the past when I haven't been able to get the first repetition to play but have never really found what was the cause. Sometimes altering the interval threshold had an effect sometimes just using a new channel and VI-Pro plug-in resolved it.

Sorry I can't help further.

Julian

The VI-Pro player is miles ahead of Play (which looks like something out of the 80's). Also I can endorse Musos view regarding customer support - I'm still waiting to have a simple EastWest articulation query/bug resloved after nearly 5 months!

In terms of sample comparison, on the orchestral side I would regard VSL samples as more comprehensive in articulations and though perhaps needing more input/work can ultimately provide a greater sense of realism across a greater variety of styles.

G0 wouldn't trigger a patch keyswitch if G0 was set up as a matrix keyswitch as this takes precedence over the X and Y keyswitches within the matrix itself.

Check to see if there is a note value next to the matrix list in the left hand column. If it is G0 that could be your issue.

Julian

"The policy also doesn’t cover any damage to computer memory or other electronic memory or data storage, computer or other electronic memory, discs, memory cards or microchips."

This is part of "number 27" so I would have thought it would preclude full cover of a VSL dongle in terms of licence restore. My studio insurance that to used cost in excess of €3,000/year and similarly excluded software. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has made a sucessful  software claim on the type being discussed here  - Perhaps a number of people may feel they have bought sufficient cover but if the detailed exclusions and terms are looked at carefully it is unlikely all eventualities would be covered.

A full license VSL licence replacement, for me, would be well in excess of €10,000 so it is a worry and also a disappointment that there isn't a more elegant solution. I would support development of a regular license check to maintain validity if this got over the problem of dongle failure and theft, but the current situation does result in a large number of VSL licence holders having serious concerns.

Julian

Hi CM,

Do you think MIR, VE, or VI Pro will be able to utilise the GPU resources for computational tasks at some point in the future (particularly as a plug-in).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013

This comprehensivew review from Anandtech indicates future leaps forward will be more GPU than CPU based and that software that is able to address this will benefit most.

Julian

I think there may definitely be a case for buying a 4 core or 6 core MacPro and in 18 months to 24 months swapping out the CPU. By then you may be able to get a 12 core with a higher clock speed than the current offerings for well under half the price. At the moment the 12 option looks to be particularly expensive for the performance increase - the processor upgrade alone is about the same as buying a complete new 6 core MacPro!

Unless you are urgently needing a new computer it may be worth waiting a couple of months then speaking with OWC http://eshop.macsales.com about the viability of future upgrades.

Julian