Overall.... Interesting....I remember too well when I got my hands on Stephen Kay's Korg KARMA Workstation.... fascinating.... However, did anyone invote Eric to join in here, I read that Dietz thinks he is a member here, so as far as I am concerned, by all means.....WELCOME and look forward to hear your thoughts....

Happy new year dear Claire

Me does not do the black stuff.... Had a quiet one and that french chap Mr. Moet Chandon was there as well, watched "Hidalgo horsing around".... and tried not to be too frustrated about having a 1000 sqft studio sitting in my backyard which I can not use.... not yet.... not yet.... [[]] ....Not much of that white stuff here...

Best wishes
~^..^~
Bear

P.S. You still suing that VM3100? Still do not want a second one? [[]]

£25 is a lot of money but.... apparently you do not drink a lot....

Ahem... tap tap tap....

not really capiche....

I mean, compare that with single sales profit.... even if they would loose 25% because of not offering GroupSex, ahem, Groupsales, they still would make higher profits.... wouldn't they?

Then agan, I may be wrong, at the end of the day it is all about VSL's calculation.... let's see what they have to say.

How about the logistics? I mean is it true that 1 person only would collect the orders/money and place one single big order? If so, well, how would you make sure that the one getting the order/money would not have a nice weekend in Las Vegas? I am just wondering about the details...

What about the logistics.... sorry for that blunt q., but how does that work?

I suppose...

1 person is on charge of collecting orders and money? Otherwise there is no advantage for the distributor etc. right?

How is delivery and insurance of the same sorted?

Again, sorry, but I never heard about it before, just enlighten my guiness clouded brain will ya? ( Hi Fitch! ) []

How does it work, and where are the incentives for the seller to do so?

I must admit, I never heard of such in terms of SW purchase, but sounds interesting.... however...60%? ...is that a real world figure? Hard to believe....

Yeah, good one... Exactly... in that context.... did anyone around here ever play ona PROMEGA 3? I would love to know whether this comes closer to what Peter mentioned.... I mean with molecular modelling.... ts ts... I mean physical modelling... well you know what I mean... I did not have a chance to play one, but I would really love to hear what some of you did think of it in comparison with sample libraries....

I think it was 256 polyphony on the promega, which alone is quiet nice, but question remains on harmonics and what they really achieved there....

(Hell, living on "the island" has it's disadvantages) []

yeah, thats why I stopped eating junk food long ago.

Seriously, from my own experience, seagates are not reliable at all in heavy duty environments, and plenty of befriend admins and heavy duty operators think the same. I gave it another go 18 month ago with 160 gig drives.... 4 out of 6 went nuts, bunkers, krrrks, .... in less than 6000 hours.... muchas gracias...

And yes, I have a little inside in QM of Seagate production, not maxtor or any other, just late night beers with people who have to sign responsible on a lets say relevant scale ... and boy I would not like that job at all talking about compromise would be a joke for starters....

Anyways, Seagates are probably the right choice for the average Joe Soap, but for critical apps., personally I would not touch them anymore.

HD production quality went down since demand went up and pricewars caused pressure on manufacturing, thats a fact, I mean come on, lets see the warranty specs, I have 5 years on my Raptors, for a fraction of the costs that I would need for SCSI at somewhat comparable performances. Standard drives come with what... 1 years warranty, if at all.... mind the small print....

Nope, that would be Strawinsky.

Read full article here:
http://www6.tomshardware...rage/20041116/index.html"="" target="_blank" title="http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20041116/index.html">http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20041116/index.html">http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20041116/index.html

Personally, no seagate comes near any DAW in my world... ever again.... if you know a little about the manufacturing background, and seagate in generell.... well.... enough said

In my version XP home SP1...yeah all waves have that tag.... and I do not have soundforge, just in case anyone thinks the wrong way []

Well well, now how about that....

The "big f****** brother" MS uses a cracked version of Soundforge 4.5 to make WAV files and ships the results in windows.

Want proof? Open the file in wordpad....

File : c:\\WINDOWS\\Help\\Tours\\WindowsMediaPlayer\\Audio\\Wav
\\WMPAUD1.WAV
Length : 354468
RIFF : 354460
WAVE
fmt : 50
Format : 0x2 => WAVE_FORMAT_MS_ADPCM
Channels : 2
Sample Rate : 22050
Block Align : 1024
Bit Width : 4
Bytes/sec : 22311
Extra Bytes : 32
Samples/Block : 1012
No. of Coeffs : 7
Index Coeffs1 Coeffs2
0 256 0
1 512 -256
2 0 0
3 192 64
4 240 0
5 460 -208
6 392 -232
fact : 4
frames : 349439
data : 354304
LIST : 66
INFO
ICRD : 2000-04-06
IENG : Deepz0ne
ISFT : Sound Forge 4.5
End
bpred idelta
(1, 1) (16, 16)
----------------------------------------
Sample Rate : 22050
Frames : 350152
Channels : 2
Format : 0x00010013
Sections : 1
Seekable : TRUE
Duration : 00:00:15.879
Signal Max : 21848 (-3.52 dB)

Sound Forge saves the name of the registered user to the IENG ('Engineer') field, which means ...
Microsoft used Radium's distro of Sound Forge 4.5!!! And shipped the proof with Windows.....

Hi Ackerdemiker....

Interesting opinion! I was wondering about that newbiw as well.... How about the system you are running it on? I mean I have a fairly old 2.4 Ghz with 1 Gig Ram, but if that would be suitable enough for playing classics, this would be interesting.

I doubt though that I would let the dust settle on a Steinway A in favourite of a plugin, I can not imagine somehow that Scriabins vers la flame would work.... then again I might be totally wrong....

Having said that.... if you drop your Steinway.... I catch it.... []

Ahem ops: appologies if that was asked before.... I am wondering if there is a chance that we will see a sampled Grand from the VSL team any time soon.... I mean come on....

The Instrument of instruments : []

ops: Probably a funny question.... but does that mean that a Kontakt or Halion only version can be purchased as well some day?

Best wishes
~^..^~
Bear

Dear Christian, thanks VERY much for the links!!.... on another note... interestingly enough... I learned that carillon is testing out dual opterons as we speak, so chances are pretty good that they may also offer those beasts in the near future....

So long
Best wishes
~^..^~
Bear

@Sergio:

Yeah, one of the guys at Carillon is a betatester, and things seem to change day in day out, as of now, it seems that dual CPU is not supported, may be will when the product is released.... as of now, just by mentioning hyperthreading GS3 beta seems to crash.... LOL

@Christian:
ops: Me being total network zombie.... 2 Gig for the Giga subs, ok done.
As for the switch and the card.... do you have a more specific thingy please.... something like what card exactlty, and what 3com switch.... I looked it up at DABS.com, but there are so many vards and switches, i am lost.... Ideally, I need to get back to them and tell them THIS is what I want preinstalled..... Sorry for such dummy questions Christian, and thanks again for looking at it. I probably go with the Nuendo Maschine and the Sub-Maschines to setup FX Teleport, Wait until GS3 is out, hopefully this year... and then buy the GS Maschine accordingly...

Ok, may be someone like to comment on this basic idea for my setup and can give me good recommendation on networking please?....

Nuendo Main System:
2x Intel Xeon 3.6GHz, Asus PPDLE Dual Xeon motherboard, Matrox P650 64MB, 4096MB DDR RAM, 200GB Maxtor SATA Sysdrive 16MB cache, 200 GB SATA Removable (Video), 4x 74GigGB Western Digital Raptor SATA RAID-0, 2x DVD-/RW (1 dual Layer), 2x Lacie 250GB Firewire 800 (Backup), Windows XP Pro

Gigastudio Main System,:
Same as Nuendo Main System above :

3x Gigastudio Cube Subsystems
Each:Intel P4 2.8GHz, microATX motherboard 865 chipset, 1024MB DDR RAM, 200GB Maxtor SATA 16MB cache, CDRW, Windows XP

Now, I plan to buy the entire hardware from http://www.carillondirect.com"="" target="_blank" title="http://www.carillondirect.com">http://www.carillondirect.com">http://www.carillondirect.com and I will certainly ask their advise as well as to netowrking soultions .

However, if anyone around could guide me as to what 1GB LAN cards and most important as to what SWITCH to consider..... much appreciated!!!.... I plan to network all 6 maschines ( I have another Tower with 2.4Ghz, 1 Gig Ram, Raptor Raid-0, Lacie drices etc) via FXTeleport and the hopefully soon coming FXGigaport thingy.....

If you wish to look up the maschines, it is the AC-1X dual xenon, and the Cube as subsystems that I consider for this setup.

All your comments and/or alternative suggestions are most welcome!

Thanks for looking at it.
Best wishes
~^..^~
Bear

Well.... will do!

I understand your point, but this would not be intended as a 100% copycat blueprint to re-build and then complain when it doesn't work the way you expected... [] May be I was unclear on this, I think to know what systems and what configurations VSL uses inhouse, in addition to powerusers setups, I think of this as guidelines for the not faint-hearted Computer DIY gents'n ladies....

Bottom line things, such as Xp config, GS config, Ram used, Motherboard, Graficcards, drivers etc, can be a useful guide to try to find and spec the maschines best matching your demands.

Greetings from Ireland,

I was just reading the thread on "using 1 or 2 PC's".... and I was wondering....

May be it would be a thought worthwhile, if VSL would "compile" a information and post it as a sticky topic, whereby this would contain major setup examples that had been prooven to work on your location. Say for example a single G5 with esx, multiple macs, single Intel/AMD with GS (Kontakt?), multiple PCs with GS (Kontakt?), and a description of the setups and the tools used to optimize the same. May be something categorized such as:

1. "The Beginners System (Songwriter, Ambitious Project Studio)"
2. "The Power User System (Scoring, Recording Studio)"
3. "The God System (Non-Plus Ultra System at the time)"

Matthias Henningsen I think started this valuable thread on optimizing GS unbder windows etc. must be the longest thread I ever came across , and although this is very valid, educational and useful information, may be a sticky topic with VSL recommendations on hardware configurations and setups used on your premises would compliment this?

Further, VSL-User's that have prooven solutions and are willing to share the same could participate and write a summary of their setup in a seperate sticky topic "User Systems".

I think this could make the stoney road for newbies easier to setting up a VSL system, because this is what it really takes, to create a VSL system and it aint that obvious how to obtain a good workflow to start with. In addition, Workflow-Tips such as leaving GS maschines with loaded instruments powered up the whole time, may seem obvious but I think they are very useful for the newcomer. VSL ain't like any other sample library out there, let's say like Symphony of Voices that I just whack into Kontakt and work away with....

Last not least, as this certainly is a dynamic topic that would change every 8-10 month slightly, I am aware that this means work and dedication to upgrade the information, but I can see big advanatges in such examples, and it should not be too hard to compile such info.

Just thinking out loud....

Best wishes
~^..^~
Bear

Hi Christian

I use aida32 enterprsie edition for those tests.

yeah, I heard about that GS thingy. I suppose it would make sense for Mike to think about a propper clustersize for his GS drive to avaoid bigger slacks. depending on his average FS.

Don't know about this EZSCI, might just do another test with it as well.... is it payware?

Hi Mike,

just a few numbers and hints.... I use AIDA32 enterprise edition to do such benchmarking thingies and system analysings....

As for througput.... I think you can never have enough, but I am doing also adobe stuff besides pure music, so film and audio comes together.

I am not so sure about Christian random access figures...

I use somewhat faster SATA harddrives from western digital so called Raptors.

To give you an idea about thier performance, configured without RAID O, hence JBOD, I have measured a single raptor with 61.8 MB/s random read, linear read 61.7 MB/sand buffered read 109.6 MB/s . In raid-0 the random went up to flippin 98.9MB/s.

All above were averages, not maximums! If you are working with higher Khz and bitrates, a better throughout will help big times IMO.

Thx Christian....

Meanwhile.... the Lacie external FW800 is a DREAM! Fast as hell and very quiet (no fan!) Very nice piece of hardware.

I revisited my recording concpet and ordered a SATA Raid controller together with two Western Digital Raptor 74Gig SATA disks (10,000rpm) that I configure in a RAID 0 array. )

Never been faster ~^OO^~ LOL

For backups i ordered a removable Kingston Tray to slot in UDMA drives, as well as the odd DVD's.

Quite happy with my concept so far.... If all goes well, I can go back to making music by the end of the week .... finally

Thx again!

Rgds
~^..^~
Bear