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1.PERFECT DAW! When money is not an Issue 12/2/2016 4:49:29 PM

Hello Feliks,

thank you for your insights. Very helpful.

I actually did end up swapping the 950 with the 960 and I made some major modifications to the overall set up.

I am actually going to run just one slave with two Xeon 14 cores. However I want to wait until the new Skylake Xeons come out. They'll probably be faster. Will see.

I also thought to use a second M.2 mounted on a Hyper PCIe ASUS m.2 card. 2TB will be sufficient to run the most demanding libraries, I think.

What's your input on it?

-Lorenzo

2.PERFECT DAW! When money is not an Issue 9/29/2016 6:00:28 PM

Alright fellas...
I have posted about this in the past, but, with weeks and months of research I think I finally found a solution to my, and other people's,  constant yerning to build (or buy) the best specs possible for our DAW Systems.

Now! We all know well that this is a delicate topic, as no workflow is equal to another, BUT, in todays world of deadline, we all try to achieve the fastest and most reliable performance per budget.

In my previous post I went through the DAW rig I wanted to buy for one of my good gigs I got for next year. I was planning big because money could very well not be an issue after this.

I got amazing feedbacks from all of those that replied but now I wanted to take it a step further.

I made some modifications and chages and I would love for all of you to share your rig and its specs (no instruments required, just sheer Computer hardware, weather it be Mac or PC). Then I'd like us all to share what, if money weren't an issue, we would like to have or build.

Another thing I will ask is for more of your input on the current version of my rig I am intentioned to build.
But let's start with the current one I already own and built.

Intel i7-6700 (non-K) 3.4Ghz Quad-Core (8 threads, turbo-boost to 4.0Ghz)
32GB DDR4 RAM 2133Mhz G-Skill Ripjaw V
Kingstone Predator 240GB M.2 PCIe x4 (OS Boot Drive)
4 SSDs of various size for samples and plug-ins.

Now the rig I am thinking is quite the jump:

MASTER MACHINE
Intel i7-6950X 3.0Ghz 10-Cores (20threads, Turbo-boost to 3.5Ghz)
64GB DDR4 RAM 2666Mhz Corsair Vengeance LPX
Samsung 950 Pro 512GB M.2 PCIe 4x (OS Boot Drive)
Samsung 850 EVO 1TB for Synths and Plug-Ins

SLAVE MACHINE
Dual Intel Xeon E5-2650 V4 2.2Ghz 12-Cores each (24 Cores, 48 threads, turbo-boost to 2.9Ghz each)
256GB DDR4 ECC Registered RAM 2133Mhz Crucial Server grade
Kingstone Predator 240GB M.2 PCIe x4 (OS Drive) super overkill I know, but worth it.
bunch of Intel DS S3710 SSDs for libraries over VEP6

What do you guys think?

my additional question here is also this: if I wanted to drop 4,500 dollars on the 2699 V4 (22-Cores) would it be wise and future proof? Would I gain performance?

Thanks

Lorenzo

3.Understanding Slaving!!! 9/28/2016 1:25:55 PM

I know, right? Apparently not so.

I know plenty of composers that have between 6 and 40 salves machines, both for running bunch of 32bit plug-ins and for hosting the TB of samples, both bought and "home-made".

The most extreme example is Hans Zimmer that stored all the samples he himself goes with the orchestra and records on his own. I read somewhere tha he has about 40 Slaves on his network, but I think that all the composers at Remote Control can access that, so it's a little bit of a shared network, but don't quote me on this.

:)

4.Understanding Slaving!!! 9/28/2016 1:18:53 PM

Thank you Paul!

Extremely helpful.

Best

Lorenzo

5.Understanding Slaving!!! 9/27/2016 2:06:13 PM

Hi Paul,

many thanks for your reply.

My question with the Switch has to do with a larger configuration.

Here the scenario:

1 Master Computer, 9 Slave Machines. Do I need a ethernet port for each slave, or can I plug each slave to a Ethernet Switch and then plug the switch into the master machine?
This means that I have 1 ethernet cable running from the master machine to a switch and than 9 ethernet cables running from the switch to the slaves machines.

Bottom line, how does Hanz Zimmer, and other composer that use multiple slaves machines, connects all his slaves to his master?

Thank you

Lorenzo

6.Understanding Slaving!!! 9/20/2016 4:41:40 PM

Hello firends and fellow musicians,

I have a question that has been bothering me for awhile.

I am in the process of figuring out the components and parts to build a new master Computer, coupled with 1 or 2 slaves. My question is the following:

Do I need a Ethernet Expansion PCIe Card PER Slave machine? Or can I get a switcher (say a 10Gb/s switcer) that routes everything into 1 PCIe Wired expansion card (10Gb/s of course)?

Because if I am planning to expand to about 9 Slaves (that's the plan), do I need to have a PCIe per slave?

Thank you in advance

Lorenzo

7.VEP 6. How Many Licenses? 8/23/2016 3:54:45 PM

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hello Lorenzo, 

Unfortunately I can´t answer that, it depends on your computers, your expectations and your workflow. 

In your case, I´d probably start with 1 powerful master and 2 slaves, and take it from there. 

Best, 
Paul

Okay, so having 1 Powerful Master with some libraries on and 2 slaves with the rest of the libraries.
I see. The computers I am putting together are quite powerful with a lot of RAM, so I am not expecting to run out of power anytime soon.

Thank you for your advices

8.VEP 6. How Many Licenses? 8/23/2016 2:13:02 PM

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hello Lorenzo, 

You only need a license for the computers that run a VE PRO SERVER. 

The VE PRO Plug-in that connects to those servers from your DAW does not need a license. 

Best, 
Paul

Hi Paul,

So, in theory, if I don't use VEP 6 on the Master Computer, I can have up to 3 Slaves, is it correct?
But if I want to use VEP 6 for the master computer as well, then I can only have 2 Slaves. I am planning on hainv some of the libraries on my master as well, that way I can have everything handled by VEP 6, for consistency's sake. What would you reccommend, Paul? Having ALL the sounds on slave machines, or having some of them on the Master machine too? Which of the two tend to work better, in your experience?

Kindest regards

 

Lorenzo

9.VEP 6. How Many Licenses? 8/18/2016 7:19:29 PM

mmh...interesting.

But how can you run VEP on three slaves without having a copy on the master to connect to?

I'm confuesed

10.VEP 6. How Many Licenses? 8/18/2016 6:41:14 PM

Hello there dear fellow musicians,

I have a very rudimental question, as I am but a novice in the wonderful world of Vienna.

So, int the descriptions of the VEP6 product, it says that it comes with "3 licenses for a multi-computer set up".

Now, it may be my aweful english, and probably it is, but I don't understand if it means:

1 Master + 3 slaves

or

1 Master + 2 Slaves

Could anybody clarify that for me? I would be tremendously grateful

Thanks

11.Hardware considerations 8/18/2016 3:16:35 PM

You are most welcome.

Let me point out something though:

Having a good motherboard and a good cooling solution allows your machine to live longer and better. Never underestimate cooling. And you don't have to spend a fortune. The CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO is around 30-40 bucks and it easily outperforms most of the more expensive competitors. It looks like nothing, but trust me it's areal good cooler. Just make sure you place a secon fan on it so to double the airflow. My mixing engineer owns a old Sandy bridge processor that he overclocked to 4.1Ghz (quad core) and he mounts this particular cooler and he showed his thermals to me: he never EVER goes above the 60C, and this is while heavy-processing my orchestral stems, with verbs, EQs and Compression going all over the places. Not to bad for a 30-40 bucks air cooler. I bought it too and I am quite happy with it so far.

For the MoBo, don't go bankrupt, but also don't go too cheap. A model I recommend for you is the Asus Z170-A, it's an ATX (full size) 6 SATA III ports (4 regular and 2 harvestble from the Sata Express port), Holds up to 64GB of GGDR4 RAM (that's VERY good), it has real good capacitors and chockers and you can find it as cheap as $130. it's an amazing board.
When talking workstation, just tck with Asus. They just manufacture stuff better for Professional work. ASRock is not bad, but I'd go with Asus any day.

Maybe this can help you.

Also, since we are here, if you need further assistance with putting together you rig, feel free to email me or PM me here, it's the same. I'd be glad to help you out. Me and my Sound Engineer are always glad to help in figuring out the best gear.

12.Hardware considerations 8/18/2016 1:40:10 PM

Originally Posted by: LuCsa Go to Quoted Post

May I ask a final question here: Would you say that I should exploit the CPU's overclocking possibility and get a more expensive motherboard (Z170 chip) and a proper cooler, or should the base clock speed of 4.0GHz suffice (the non-K's is at 3.4GHz)? My ambitions about overclocking are rather low, but if someone told me, I should deeeefinitely go for it...

 

Hi LuCsa,

I am happy you found my post informative. it definitelly was a long post, so forgive me.

You question is incredibly legitimate, however, this is another misinformazion about computer that needs to be clarified.

While Overclocking is indeed a way to boost performance, it also boosts the chances for instability. What happens when you overclock yout CPU is that you basically drive a higher level of current in your CPU, forcing it to boost it's base clock to a certain level. But is still a "forcefull manouver".

Now, you have selected the 6700K, which "K" stands for "Unlocked", ergo it can be overclocked. However the base clock of that Processor is 4.0Ghz!!! It's pretty fast as is, not going to lie. However, like I said in the previous post, what does base clock speed impacts is simply the real time performance and live recording. If you are planning on working with VSTs and lots of MIDI tracks, than 4.0Ghz is far more than enough, considering that it turbo-boosts to 4.2Ghz as well. If all you do is work with VST you will see no benefit whatsoever when overclocking your processor. If you game or live record, you will see a slight benefit, but not even that considerable to justify the possible instability. I know of people that have managed to bring the 6700K up to almost 4.8Ghz and stable (this without custom liquid cooling), but they were games and their benefit was around 15-20 FPS in game performance. Not too shabby, this is far from the kind of application we are talking about here.

I think ultimately in our line of work, one should never choose performance in spite of stability. Stability is key and it's how we turn in Stems safely, without additional headaches. 

But, again, like I said, overclocking in your case is doable and not that hard, with a processor like that. I went with the 6700 because I knew I was not going to overclock at all.

Bottom line, if you wish to overclock, I'd say, do it, but don't OVERdo it. But if you see instabilities happening, tone it down or just bring it back to standard clock speed asap, it's not worth it to go through blue screens and crashes just to have that extra few more milliseconds of real time performance.

My two cents :)

PS. yes the non-K, the one I own, is 3.4, turbo-boosting at 4.0

13.Hardware considerations 8/17/2016 7:22:35 PM

Hey LuCsa,

This is going to be a "little" of a long read, but perhaps you find it worth your time. Maybe lot of the info here you already know, but indulge me and hopefully I can share something useful to you.

I have done much research on what to get and how to assemble a music computer. I just finished assembling my temporary workstation based around Windows 10 Pro. I use Cubase 8.5.20 with Albion and CineSamples (for now). Albion, especially, is very resource hungry. Spitfire Audio makes top noch samples, but they come with a cost and it's not just the price tag, but it's also your CPU, RAM and storage capabilities.

Anyways, allow me to give you my two cents of what I found out to be helpful and necessary so far. But before that, you need to understand (and maybe you already do) that there are things you can allow yourself to cheap out on and other that you just cannot. With that being said, here we go.

1- CPU and Storage Solution is your new best friend. A musician needs to be very familiar, especially nowadays when sequencing has become the main way to make music for media, with the concepts of Multi-threading, Core count, base-clock speed, PCIe lanes, Spinning platter HDDs, Flash storage (SSDs) solution, nVME (PCIe and M.2 storage) solution and, finally, RAID methodology.

This may sound very overwelming already, but I promise you that it sounds fancier than it actually is. The CPU and the Storage Solution are your two new best friends because they belong to the family of "cannot cheap out on". Sometimes a 500 dollars more expensive CPU can very well be the difference between a on-time stems delivery and a late stems delivery. There are two sides of a CPU purpose in Music composition and sequencing: Core Count and Base Clock Speed. There is also Turbo-Boosting, but we get there later.

a. Core-Count is essentially the amount of Cores the processor has. PHYSICAL cores, not logical cores. What's the difference? Well, when we talk about physical cores we refer to the actual physical amount of chips contained in the Processor. (e.g. Intel Xeon E5-2697 V4 18-Cores, 36 Threads) You see, in this example you have 18 Physical Cores and 36 threads. When talking about Thread we are talking about Logical Cores. So, you can think of it as in "there are 2 Logical Cores per Physical Core". Now this particular processor has a Base-clock speed of 2.3 Ghz, but it Turbo-boosts up to 3.6Ghz (this is an insane CPU, which I am actually after right now). This means that, when idle or with very very small workload, the motherboard floats this Processor voltage to a maximum of 2.3 2.4 ghz. But when under load, the motherboard allows the voltage to bump up and give more current to the CPU, allowing it to jump to what is called Turbo-Boost mode, which brings it to 3.6Ghz, allowing to calculate and move information much much faster.

SO, how does this apply to you? Well, you want the processor that gives you the maximum amount of cores with the highest turbo-boost clock speed. This way you have 2 advantages (and barely no drawbacks) 1- You have lot's of cores to store your tasking calculations (DAWs usually need more than four cores to function to top functionality) and you have a high clock speed which reduces latency when playing-back or recording live.

b. When it comes to storage solution, there should not be any compromises. Your storage needs to be fast, and by fast I mean, forget HDDs (Spinning Platter Disk) of any sorts. No matter if you RAID 0 them, they will be far too slow for the sample libraries we have nowadays. Before this Windows machine, I owned a MacPro 6-Cores for about 4 years and the only SDD was the OS...dark times. They are noisier, slower and break easier because of the moving parts and the machanical friction. They function much better as long term storage and backup devices, where they have to move data araound as less as possible.
Anyways, longs story short, look from SSD foreward, and yes, prices increase a little, but today the most espensive 250GB SSD you find is made by Samsung (850 EVO) and it floats around $80 bucks, not too bad, cosindering that you can shove in there a few sample libraries.

Now, to understand this further, your SSDs are responsible for how fast and how well your data stream is from disk to DAW, in other words, from the moment you selct the instrument to the moment all the samples are loaded, your processor, RAM and disk are working very hard. However, if you cut that time in half (or more) all those componets work way less to load that instrument, and they can focus their strength on other parts of the software. This will allow your to stream from disk faster and with less waste of resources from all the other components.

Another solution for your storage (albeit far more expensive) is PCIe Storage, that uses nVME technology. An example of that is the renouned Intel 750 Series, this PCIe ssd is extremely fast, reaching, sometimes, the reading spead of 1.5 - 1.7GB per second. Blazing fast. However, a 400GB model is still around $350.

The nVME technology, which is simply a faster communication, smaller size and more efficient use of the storage cells inside the SSD, is also found in the M.2 SSDs, and there are 2 types (SATA M.2 and PCIe M.2) The PCIe ones being faster than PCIe SSDs, btw. Usually people deploy them as OS drives, tha way the softwares and the OS load snappier and without much trouble. Generally you want to look at at PCIe 4x (4 lanes) M.2, which, most motherboards support nowadays. However the drawback of this M.2 is that is going to desable one of your PCIe slots to dedicate to itself. So when in the BIOS you enable the M.2 to run in PCIe 4x mode, you are sacrifying one of your espansion slots. No, don't worry, it's not the first one where you Graphic Card usually sits.

c. LANES. Something that us, workstation users, need to be aware. The reason why is because we tend to be the most users and abusers of expansion slots. For gamers, all you need is...love..NO! All you need is the graphics card slot and, most of the time, that's about it. But for us, we sometimes want a workstation Graphic Card, USB 3.0 PCIe expansion cards, Wired Network Cards over PCIe (for further LAN and ethernet connectivity), red rocket cards, Pro Tools cards, storage, ect. So they run out pretty fast. Now, WARNING! lanes are not equivalent to the amount of PCIe slots you have on board, they are calculated out of each and intividual peripheral, that's why it's tricky. A Enthusiast, gaming graphics card can function on 16x (16 lanes) or 8 lanes, thus occupying, of course, 16x or 8x. A good processor has around 40 lanes of capacity, which means that you can shove in a total of 40 lanes worth of expansions. The M.2 will take 4x, the PCIe SSD will take between 4x and 8x (more likely 8x), the graphics card will take between 8x and 16x, each SSD or HDD plugged in through SATA connection will take it's share of those lanes (although much less significant, but still worth considering). So, with a processor that can only support 18-24 lanes, you won't go far on a Workstation Computer. However, if you opt for a Haswell E or EP, Bradwell E or EP (E being the enthusiast grade and EP being the Xeons) you should be okay, although there are some in these families (the cheaper ones) that have half the lane support. Always check manufacture websites to verify how many lanes are supported, that way, when you slap in an expansion card and it seams very slow or sometimes even not functioning correctly at all, you know why.

2- RAM. Now this is something that is most commonly thought to be the cause of fastness or slowness of yout Workstation. While that is true to a certain extent, it is also false. RAM dosen't impact "speed" if your sistem, it just impacts how well, how much and how fast the informations that are needed the most in that particular situation, are handled and transfered between storage to application. For instance, if I have a session where I have 2 fully loaded instruments, (let's say one instance of Kontakt 5 with the AlbionONE Strings - around 230MB - and the second another Kontakt 5 instance of CineStrings 1 Violins True Legato - 400MB -) approximately 630MB of your, hipotetically, 4GB of RAM are accupied by the instruments, and they remain there because the CPU is telling the RAM to keep 'em there for fast recall, so those files travel from disk to RAM and stagnate there till you shut down your DAW or your PC altogether. You can see that as you increase the instruments count, your RAM will have to handle more and more information. So, the more you have it, the better for Workstation purposes.

I personally recommend DDR4, all the way and not less than 32GB, running at no slower than 2133MHz.
Many people here may not agree with this, and I can see why. But, again, these are my two cents. The amount of RAM really does depend on how many VST you are going to use and how heavy they are. If you use mainly Synths, you will be able to get away with 16GB or even 8GB, no sweat. But as soon as you start delving in the realm of Vienna, Spitfire Audio, CineSamples, ProjectSAM, 8DIO, so on and so forth, you might want to consider upping your game.

3- Motherboards are a little less of a concern, although, if you want to be ideal, they can be considered and they do make a difference. I usually advice two types of motherboards for workstation purposes:

a. Gaming MoBos are usually very well built and sturdy. They tend to have a good amount of connectivity and they, most importantly, support a large variety of high-end processors, including Xeons (if you go with the X-99 chipset). Skylakes, while very powerful for gaming and video rendering, are not really indicated for music production, althoug my i7-6700 3.4Ghz is not really bad, it's just a 4-Cores 8 threads so it does struggle a little bit when I have 40-60 instruments playing at the same time.

b. Workstation Grade MoBos are the IDEAL solution. Anything that has the letters WS or WS-E in front is bound to give you the most solidity with your components. They are just built for heavy-duty, task intensive and professional work. In the build I am planning to put together, hopefully, in the next few months, the MoBo I chose is the ASRock WS-E X-99 model. This thing as 7 PCIe expansion slots all 16x, 8 slots for RAM dims, chockers that are second to none and plenty of features.

As I mentioned before, another point to consider when choosing a motherboard for workstation purposes, is wheather you're going to get an X-99 chipset or a Skylake Chipset. Apparently, and I don't have benchmarks on this so I'm just speaking out of work of mouth, the X-99 is a much more reliable and solid chipset for professional work.

I think this covers it all and, again, hopefully this has not bored you but tought you something you didn't know that can turn out to be useful for you in the future.

Best

Lorenzo

14.DOUBLING VEP5 THROUGHPUT 8/17/2016 3:05:19 PM

Hey Piano Pete,

I'm very interested in learning about this Aggregation method. Do you have any additional insights about it?

 

Thanks

15.Master and Slave Over 10G 8/17/2016 2:55:20 PM

Hello All,

I previously wrote a post about this topic and still haven't got an answer to this day, but I admit it was a quite specific and tough, mainly about methods of aggregations with 10Gb/s ethernet with a Master and Slave set up.

Well today my question is simply this:

Is there any of you that has experience with VEP and Master and Slave configuration over 10Gb/s Ethernet, instead of using normal Cat6 Gigabit Ethernet?

I am in the process of starting to build a big set up using VEP 5 (probably upgrade it to 6) using 1 master Windows 10 Pro PC and three Slave Windows 10 Pro PCs. Quite a powerful set up, but being completely new to Vienna's capabilities, I have no real life experience with setting up any of it.

The rational is that I want to limit to the minimum my bottlenek when it comes to streaming from my slave machines, as I have quite an extensive VST library and palette (ergo the three slave machines) and I want my template to be snappy and load relatively fast as the deadlines creep up on me. So that's why the 10Gb/s connection instead of the more common (and cheaper) gigabit.

So, if any of you is and has used 10G (Cat7) solutions to connect their masters with the slaves, I'd like to know how, what kind of switch is needed, is it even needed, does VEP supports 10G at all. All these things and more, if you have real life experience with it.

Thank you so much in advance, friends.

16.HELP WITH METHOD OF AGGREGATION FOR 10G CONNECTION 6/22/2016 12:15:43 PM

Hello guys,

In a previous thread I was lead to the understanding that there is a method of doubling throughput between you master and slave machine. The method is called Aggregation.

I am most interested in using 10G connection, so if there are people here that have experience with Aggregating 10G on their set up or know where to find good information about the Vienna application of this technology (a lot of websites they only speak about Server-farms and Video Editing solutions, not much library streaming and DAW usage) I would appreciate your help and your contribution on it.

Just to be clear (cause my english sucks) I would love to learn more about Aggregating 10G ethernet solutions and learning what equipment is needed and how to do it AND IF Vienna supports such connection. All I know so far is that you need twice as many 10G ports for aggregating on the master machine or a switch or something.

Please if you have more informations I'd appreciate your help.

Thank you so much

17.DOUBLING VEP5 THROUGHPUT 6/13/2016 12:28:54 PM

Would you mind explaning what Aggregating means?

I have space for multiple network cards so I don't mind having multiple.

I have planned to have 6 Slave machines, are you saying that the master machine needs to have 12 Network cards?

Sorry I know very little about this.

18.Master and Slave Ideal Configuration (Perfect Set Up) 6/13/2016 12:04:30 PM

Thank you so much Piano Pete for your advice.

I actually changed that since I posted this and I am going with the normal ASRock X99 WS-E and then slap a 10G card adapter in there Intel X540 so no shared resources will effect the quality of the sound.

I totally agree.

Thanks

19.Master and Slave Ideal Configuration (Perfect Set Up) 6/9/2016 7:54:27 PM

Okay we are on the same page now! Great insights, thank you.

Yes I do use a bunch of monitors (I'm planning to anyways) The main one is a 40" 4K Phillips and then two 28" 4K Asus. Then I'll have two 25" on the far sides and a big 1080p 55" Dell as Footage screen up above in the center. 6 flippin monitors...Anyways, the 4K are simply for mere real estate since I don't game on this machine.

I kind of understrand why the scaling is better because it's all about DireXt 12, right? That makes sense.
I'll consider Windows 10 Pro heavily now. In Fact the version of Windows 8.1 Pro that I am purchasing has a free update to Windows 10, so worse case scenario I'll update and be done with it.

I need to do more researches on compatibilities with my hardware and my software, but I am pretty positive it won't create any problems. I am not using any fairly old hardware nor software anyways.

Thanks buddy.

20.Master and Slave Ideal Configuration (Perfect Set Up) 6/9/2016 2:40:14 PM


****UPDATE****

I made some big changes to the rig that I'd like to submit here. Let me know.


Master Computer (OS + DAW + Synths)


- Intel Xeon E5-2687W V4 3.0Ghz 12-Cores
- ASRock X99 WS-E
- 64GB ECC-Registered DDR4 2133Mhz
- Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD (OS Drive)
- 4x Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (Synth Library Drive)
- Windows 8.1 Pro (Maybe Windows 10 Pro?)

x6 SLAVEs  Computers

- 2x Intel Xeon E5-2650 V4 2.2Ghz 12-Cores
- Asus Z10PE-D16 WS Dual CPU
- 128GB ECC-Registered DDR4 2133Mhz
- Samsung 850 EVO 120GB SSD (OS Drive)
- x8 Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (All Strings Libraries)
- Windows 8.1

Note. Not all 6 slaves computer will have the same amount of RAM and SSDs. Only 2 will have 128GB RAM and only 1 will have 8 SSDs. The Strings Computer will be the one with the most RAM and more SSDs because I have more Strings libraries than the rest of the instruments.

I look foreward to your insights, guys.

Cheers

21.Master and Slave Ideal Configuration (Perfect Set Up) 6/9/2016 2:07:02 PM

Synetos,
Very Interesting point.

However allow me to give you my 2 cents. I will absolutely agree on the "kind of workflow you do" part. However, if what your point is true (that Xeon are actually worse than Broadwel E chips) it'd be nonsensical that all the big names and big professional rigs use all Xeon processors, both Macs and Windows PCs Workstation and Server class. For instance, I know for a fact that at Remote Control (Hans Zimmer company) The servers they use are all stacks of dual Xeons computers connected by fiber optics. They main machines, I am not sure, but if you have ALL your libraries on slaves, then your main computer needs simply the power to run your DAW and the features thereon, which are not demanding tasks at all, in you think about.

You see I work pretty much doing only mock-ups and scoring composition. I don't do tracking, I don't do live recording, except when I have a live instrumentalist in the studio and we capture some of it's ideas for the score, but then we go to the recording stage and record him properly. So My rig is ALL about mock-up, and for the size of my template (about 1200 tracks, not including the 5.1 and FX tracks) it's all about those 2 more cores and 4 more threads, because large templates are more multi-task demanding than high speed.

That's why I put the Broadwell-EP 12-Cores 3.0Ghz (which by the way is the same base clock speed of the Broadwell-E 10-Cores) in the main machine. I was quite confident that 3.0Ghz is fast enough for running Cubase 8.5 Pro and the synths I'm going to need to run from the main machine.

But maybe not, maybe I am indeed mistaken and I am totally open to be proved wrong on this. So I welcome any additional comment and reasoning, after all I don't want to drop stacks on a system that is not what I payed for, if you catch my groove.

Let me know your thoughts on this.

peace.

22.Master and Slave Ideal Configuration (Perfect Set Up) 6/9/2016 1:53:00 PM

Very interesting William.

I am a novice at this still so forgive my continuous questions.

One more coming though!

Do all my slaves Machines have to have MIR installed on them? So like, is MIR going to be installed along with the VEP 5 on EACH Slave Machine?

Thank you in advance

23.Master and Slave Ideal Configuration (Perfect Set Up) 6/8/2016 12:04:49 PM

Okay, William,

So you suggest more ram and more powerful processor on the slave machines?

Also, would MIR (which I am definitely getting) be installed on the slave machine or onto the main machine?

Thanks

24.Master and Slave Ideal Configuration (Perfect Set Up) 6/8/2016 11:55:03 AM

Thanks Bill, yes it was a VERY GOOD ONE.

I'm scoring for a full featured within the next months or so.

I was very lucky.

25.Master and Slave Ideal Configuration (Perfect Set Up) 6/7/2016 7:50:41 PM

Hello friends,

I was blessed with a real good gig few months ago and I am building my computers from scratch as a result.
I wanted to pass these configurations by you all to hear some of your opinions on it, perhaps.
I would greatly appreciate if you gave me some input on these builds. :)

MASTER COMPUTER

-Intel Xeon E5-2687W V4 12-Cores 3.0Ghz
-ASRock X99 WS-E / 10G (2x 10Gbits ethernet ports)
-64GB Crucial ECC-Registered DDR4 RAM 2133Mhz
-(OS Drive) Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SSD
-(Libraries Drives) x2 Intel 750 Series 1.2TB PCIe NVMe SSD RAID 0
-(Libraries Drives) x2 Intel 750 Series 800GB PCIe NVMe SSD RAID 0
-(Libraries Drives) x4 Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD
-(Add Drive) Samsung 850 EVO 120GB SSD
-Windows 8.1 Pro ( maybe Windows 10 Pro)
-Cubase 8.5 Pro, Nuendo 7, Pro Tools 12 (For VEP 5 hosting and stems printing)

x4 SLAVES COMPUTERs

-Intel Xeon E5-2620 V4 8-Cores 2.1Ghz
-ASRock X99 WS-E / 10G (2x 10Gbits ethernet ports)
-64GB Crucial ECC-Registered DDR4 RAM 2133Mhz
-(OS Drive) Samsung 850 EVO 120GB SSD
-(Libraries Drives) x6 Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD
-Windows 8.1 Pro
-VEP 5

Any thoughts, recommendations or critics?

Thanks folks.

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