Originally Posted by: Ashermusic

Personally,  as Logic Pro X user I don't give a large rodent's hiney about AU 3. ArtZ ID has renedered it totally unnecessary for my uses.

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OK, it does not look like you can use CC events in place of keyswitches. However, I have discovered that the problem was caused by Cakewalk designating C5 as middle C, while Vienna has it as C4. I set Cakewalk's base ocatve (that's base, not bass) to -1. This allows me to use the correct keyswitch values for everything but the basses. For them, I have to transpose the keyswitch notes up an octave. This is becasue I set the basses to play an ocatve lower than written. This setting I also made in Cakewalk. CORRECTION: The basses are also working as they should now. So all keyswitchges are working correctly.

Also, I have added special tracks for all inst's using Synchron, and I put the keyswitch assignments on them. I adjust clefs so I can easily read the notes, so I know I have the correct value. While viewing, say, all the strings in Cakewalk's staff view, I don't  open these special tracks, so there is no confusion. I see only the "real" notes.

I purchased Appassionata Strings recently, so I am highly motivated to get things working. It looks like I'm pretty much there at this point.

I ended up buying Synchron Appas. Strings, and I am very happy with them. I'm exploring how best to use Keyswitching, so it does not interfere with other inst's in staff view. Ghost notes; using an extra staff and then hiding it, are possibilities.

Addendum: I ended up using an extra staff for each inst just for keyswitches.

I have now discovered that it is better to set Cakewalk's Key property to -1 octave, then you don't have to set each articulation to -1 octave. However, you then have to set keyswitches to +1 octave. This only applies to basses, which play an octave lower than they are notated. This also solves the problem I hjad with all inst's keyswitches needing to be set +1 octave.

Most here already know this, but perhaps there are a few othewre dummies like me who may benefit from it.

Well it doesn't look like you can assign CC events to use instead of keyswitches, but I did figure one thing out, namely, that you can set the base ocatve in Cakewalk so that it agrees with Vienna. This allows you to use the normal keysitch value, instead of having to transpose it an octave up. This is because Cakewalk considers middle C to be C5, where Vienna (correctly) has it as C4. So now at least the keyswitch notes don't play, as they are out of the playable range of the instrument. This also applies to Vienna ensemble keyswitching.

Cakewalk users take note!

I have once again solved this myself (actually, S. Cook of the Cakewalk forum did). You can set the base octave in Cakewalk so that it matches the scheme in Vienna. I set it to -1 and now the keyswitches work correctly.

This situation applies to both the VI player and Synchron. My DAW, Cakewalk (Sonar) has middle c as C4. This causes keyswitches to be off by one octave. For example, if legato is C#0, I have to make it C#1. This problem sometimes results in turn in keyswitch notes actually sounding, thus necessitating a fix.

Is there a way to deal with this other than octave transposition? I tried setting middle C to C3 or C5, but it doesn't work (causes other articulations to play than the one I want).

Thanks, Mike

They sound great! By far my best string library now. Very glad I took advantage of this incredible deal.

Thanks Paul. I decided this deal is too good to pass up. Should really help my string section. Downloading now.

Hi there Jason, thanks for your reply. I use Notion to make an actual score. I just find working in staff view better for me. I like to see the notes. blobs in PRV are meaningless to me. And Cakewalk, while terrible as notation per se, actually allows me to do things cubase does not. For example, if you are in Cubase's notation view, and you want to select a large number of measures, say 12, you can't do it. You have to go to another view to do it and then come back to notation view. In other words, selection is limited horizontally. While Cakewalk lets you select any number of measures, so you can copy paste and so on. It just is better for me with my particular work flow.

As for changing keyswitch assignments in Synchron, I'm pretty sure you can't. However, I'm going to take advantage of VSL's deal on Appasionata Strings, for 35% off. Maybe it will be possible to do it with them. but in any case, the library will be much better than the Epic Orch. 2 version.

Nice to hear from a Cakewalk user, this place makes you think everyone in the universe uses cubase, logic or pro tools!

Since I work in Cakewalk's staff view, rather than PRV, having all those super high or low notes all over the place is a real pain. They extend onto the next instrument's staff, and sometimes they actually play, and I have to set their velocity to 0 and duration to 1 (after tracking them down to see which of them it is). If I could reassign the values so that they would actually be below or above the keyboard, that might solve the problem. I have heard of people doing this with VSL libraries, but probably the Vienna player, not Synchron. So, is this possible? I would use CC events, but haven't figured out if this is possible either.

Mike

I'm pondering the 35% off deal on them during March. I have Epic Orchestra 2 as a result of having bought Vepro 6, but only the violins and basses are useful for what I do, as the violas and cellos are not "pure." (Even the violins and basses are only pure in their high/low range). So, I'm curious how this library sounds in the full version. Does the Epic Orch version do it any justice, or is the full library significantly better?

Thanks, Mike

Solved this one myself. You have to set the bass octave-offset for each articulation you use. So, you set -1 in the Edit-ocatve section for each articulation. Works fine now. Although I still would rather use CC events to change articulations, although I don't see a way to do this.

I tried to post this earlier but it seems to have vanished. When I change an articulation in Appasionata Strings in the basses, they don't play in the proper ocatve. For example, if I am on Fast Attack, where they seem to play correctly (that is, one octave lower as is customary - I set them that way), but I switch to Staccato or Sustained, suddenly they play an ocatve too high. Very strange.

I have it working, at least for the basses. Apparently, the reason it didn't work at first, is becasue I forgot I have the basses set an octave lower, as per the usual practice. Once I set the keyswitch note an octave higher, it worked. I have yet to try it with the violins.

Edit: Actually, I have to use the next octave up for everything. Maybe I need to adjust my keyboard settings?

I still would prefer CC events, so I'm going to try and figure out how to do that, if it is possible in Synchron. I hate having weird notes all over the place. I work in Sonar's score view, so I need it to be clean (I use Notion for real scores, but it is easier to work in score view without all the weird notes. I guess it doesn't matter if you work in PRV, but I don't, so it does make a difference).

Originally Posted by: jasensmith

Originally Posted by: jasensmith

My apologies.  When I logged into the forum I just went straight to "LATEST POSTS" which doesn't break the posts down by the individual sections so I didn't know which section you posted in.

After a closer look, "LATEST POSTS" actually does break the posts down, you just have to read a little further.

No problem. It was just an understandable misunderstanding, and I misunderestimated your sense of humor.

You may have something about the midi routing. I haven't been assigning channels in Sonar for the Synchron player, as you really don't have to, as it's not multitimbral. But maybe that is the problem. I'll check it out.

Apparently you thought I was talking about the vienna player. i was talking about the Synchron player. I thought this was obvious, since I posted the question in the Synchron section. My mistake for not making that clearer.

Thank you. I am new to the Synchron player, so it is very unfamiliar to me. I will assume your remark was an attempt at humor, rather than sarcasm toward someone asking a dumb question. I always like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Say I am on Basses, sustain, and I want to switch to fast attack? I tried the keyswitch method, which did not work. Can I use CC events instead?

Thanks,

Michael

Thank you fatis 12. I'm very undecided. Some other posts lead me to believe that Orchestral Strings would be best for me, but 335.00 for a standard Vienna string library...very tempting.

I'm considering the Appasionata Strings during this special offer, but I'm confused about something. I have Epic Orch. 2 as a result of buying Vepro 6 (first time buyer). There, the strings are mapped across the keyboard. But as the instruments overlap in range, how do you get just violas, as opposed to cellos, or violas plus cellos? Basses in the low range are no problem, as they are below the range of the other strings (but only up to the point of Great C, where the cellos' range begins).

I'm assuming this is not the case for Synchron Appasionata Strings Full version, right? So you don't get a blend of cellos and violas in the middle of the keyboard? That's a problem with the light version. But then, it's just meant to serve as an introduction, right? to see if you like the sound and want to get the full version?

Thanks,

michael

Hi Jos, I had a similar problem using sonar. I fixed it by making sure the Y axis was set to keyswitch, not controller. Which sounds like what you did. It was very frustreting, but fortunately only seemed to affect some of my instruments.

I have been following this discussion, and as a new Vepro user who is a hobbyist, I must admit I'm somewhat confused. The general consensus seems to be that this VEP7 offer is not very welcome, as it seems that people will have to pay more for what they already had in VEP6, in terms of licenses. And for networkers, I can definitely see how this is a problem. For me, I just use one computer. I bought Special Edition 1 a few years back, and thought that by accepting this offer I would gain perhaps some usable new sounds in Epic Orch. 2, while also getting the upgrade from the free Vienna ensemble to Vepro. And eventually get a free upgrade to VEP7.

My experience so far is that Vepro gives me faster load times than I had with the free player. Plus, the ability to host other libraries, including EO, GPO and EWSO (I have not succeeded in getting Cinematic Strings, which uses the free Kontakt Player, to be recognized). but I ran into a problem, due to how I use reverb. I like to put Lexicon Pantheon on my synths, and turn off any native reverb in the library. I send them all to Spaces so they are all in the same space. By using Pantheon, all the different libraries have the same algo reverb, in varying amounts, before they go to Spaces. This works for me. but I have not found a way yet to do this while hosting the synth in Vepro. So I have gone back to the old way, just using Vepro for SP1, and using sonar's mixer for the others, so I can add Pantheon to them.

Thus, I am using Vepro exactly as I used the free player. I am not sure there is much benefit in this, but perhaps when VEP7 comes out there will be other benefits. As for EO, so far I am using violin and bass sounds. I also get a cornet, something I didn't have, as well as a nice oboe d'amore, which who knows someday I may use. That's pretty much it. However, having better violins and basses than I had before is a big improvement, as these instruments have always been problematic. And I get an intro to the Synchron series, so I can evaluate whether this is something I would want to explore further, or just stay with the conventional Vienna libraries.

All in all, I think I got my money's worth. I'm sure I would feel differently if I were a long time user, and especially if I networked. I'm putting this out there mostly for the sake of others like me who are thinking of getting Vepro on this introductory offer. It's probably worth it. For the rest of you folks, I can understand your problems with this offer. It reminds me of when Sonar went to a subscription model, then offered lifetime updates for a onetime fee, then went out of business. (Fortunately, Sonar was revived by a company called Bandlab, who now offer Cakewalk By Bandlab for free, which initially caused a huge up-swelling of anger from those who paid their dues all along, and now anyone can have what they paid for for free (minus the plugins, so they did get something for their money).

We have to remember that this is a business. sometimes companies are going to do things we don't like. That's just the way it is. The consumers didn't own sonar, just as Vienna's consumers don't own Vienna. That doesn't mean they have no right to express their outrage if they feel they have been taken advantage of. It's healthy to fo so, and may cause the company to change their plans.

So I think this is a very healthy discussion which hopefully will improve how VSL treats its customers. Companies need feedback like this. The only thing negative about it is the occasional ad hominum attacks. that does nobody any good.

I figured this out awhile back, thought I'd share it: By setting the Y axis to ketswitch, the problem went away.

Well, I chanced it and just deleted Vienna Ensemble Player from my project, and that worked fine. now it loads with Vepro only. Case dismissed (just watched Perry Mason).