Thanks for your prompt reply and confirmation, Andi.

No wonder your demos all sound amazing!

The extra mics really make a big difference.

Regards,

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Originally Posted by: Guy Bacos

 

The Synchron Player, and especially the latest version, is very cool, I was able to do this Synchron Percussion demo in just a few hours last night, really make things simpler. 

The Eye of the Storm

Hi Guy,

Excellent demos! I noticed you had used "surround-to-stereo downmix" for "Eye of the Storm", did you use the full library for "The Big Bang" as well?

Regards,

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Hi Andi,

Thank you for your "Synchron Blizzard" demo. It sounds excellent, very three dimensional!

May I ask if the demo uses "surround-to-stereo downmix" (full libary) or just standard library?

Regards,

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Originally Posted by: Bill

OK, got it. But shouldn't they show up under Orchestral instruments too?

That's what I requested VSL to include Synchron strings in the category in a future update, as ALL the other VSL instruments are included in the "Orchestral Instruments" category, but VSL never responded...

+1 * 1,000

The introduction of Synchron-ized Chamber Strings by itself is fair enough, but if it is meant to be the ONLY solution to cover Synchron Strings I shortcomings, IMHO a lot of Synchron Strings I owners will be very disappointed.

Originally Posted by: Paul

The advantage of MONO legato is that you are streaming less samples when restricting yourself to monophonic legato lines. 

Understood. Thanks for the clarification.

Originally Posted by: Paul

I think you mixed up tremolo and trills in your question.... but yes, the Leg_Fast-Vib covers all intervals up to the perfect 4th for a fast note connection, and bigger intervals will use the regular legato. 

Maybe it's a difference in language. In English, when the interval is bigger than HT/WT, it is often referred to as "tremolo", rather than "trill". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremolo) <- I am not saying Wikipedia is authoratative, but just as reference.

One more question though: if bigger inervals will use the regular legato. So for larger intervals, there is no "agile" (fast) legato (yet)? Is my understanding correct?

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by: Paul

You can already automate MONO/POLY Legato, it is a plug-in parameter (simply record the automation in your DAW and you will have the corresponding automation lane right there). 

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your input. Would you elaborate a little on the use of MONO/POLY Legato in the context of Synchron Strings I? What will be the advantage of MONO legato (if there is no portamento)?

I also hae a question on Fast Legato: in the manual for Fast Legato, it says "

17F VI-14_Leg-Fast-Vib

Trills/fast legato, with vibrato

Trills up to 4th, all other intervals legato"

How do they actually work? Would it be the case: when two notes are held (up to perfect 4th), they will sound as tremolo, and if it's larger than perfect 4th, they will function normally like any other agile legato?

Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by: pianoguy

I'm with fahl5 on this - the Synchron Player works so differently than VI or VI Pro that few of us have sufficient experience yet to express a deeply informed opinion as to the library's ultimate quality.

We do not have the experience but VSL should. By now, they should have many convincing audio demos to clear our doubts. After all it is their product. VSL should convince us it's worthwhile to spend the time and not wasting it. Apart from us being the early adopters who purchased the product purely out of faith in the VSL brand, I am sure they want to attract new customers as well.

The fact there is no convincing demo... it's already suspicious enough.

The fact VSL has been very quiet after last week release, it's even more suspicious.

Don't be surprised when they announce new product(s) in July... as a way to divert our attention.

Originally Posted by: Piotr Katzpersky

But there are bigger in terms of content (and lighter on resources) libraries for less. So if VSL would say "we are giving money back for synchrons", I would take them without hesitation. I guess it sums things up.

+1. To me, the biggest disappointment is how VSL treated its customers, almost treating us like its enemies rather customers.

All of our concerns were never addressed. They were mostly ignored. The ONLY time VSL responded was the LEGATO BLUR (the ultimate cosmetic touchup). If it were only a TEMP solution, I could have empathized a little more.

While the MIX page is a great addition, that tree structure is nothing more than a gimmick, but considered how many switches it requires to make an articulation switch, it reveals how poorly thought out the player is. I like the relational aspects of the tree, but it is nothing really more advanced than the original VI matrices. They could have used color codes to show such relations on a matrix, and  added the MIX page to VI and call it a day.

If VSL stays numb as they have been, this library will surely end my VSL journey.

Originally Posted by: fatis12_24918

This is really one of the most annoying program limits... crazy and irritating the answer you got... probably due to code/performance but... com'on, really unbelievable fault in the elegant design of the player.

+1. After I got the reply from Paul/VSL, I followed up with him by saying if the patch name is omnipresent (visible on every page), the player will be be more usable. The fact it is only shown on the "Edit" page is clearly an oversight.

When one tries to build a preset, hardly the first thing one wants to do is to type in cell names, but have not heard back from him since on the subject.

@JimmyHellfire also pointed out the lack of UNDO making preset customization a difficult task when one wants to undo a PASTE action.

When I first started using Synchron Player (esp. for Yamaha CFX), I really thought it was a big step forward esp. the mixer and the built-in pan and reverb, etc, and the clarify and ease-of-use of the tree structure.

Yet, deeper I delved into the it, more I realized the troubles with the tree design and how much I missed the convenience of the 2D/3D matrix that VI has.

For example, there is no way to jump from SLOT to SLOT (if the SLOT is deep down in another "branch"), simply because I do not have the visual info, and like others have pointed out, it will take a combination of switches (key, CC, etc.) to make the jump (depending how deep down that SLOT is). For VI, it will be at most 3 switching (first for the layer, and second/third for the matrix navigation). Very straighforward indeed.

Maybe there could a way to combine the convenience of a 2D/3D matrix (VI) and that of a tree (Synchron)? For example, maintain the articulation switching mechanism (of the Matrix) while showing certain relationships across the cells with color-coding (like the Tree)?

It will more like the current VI GUI but with the Mixer page added.

Feel free to jump in. Probably some positive thinking would be something we need for this forum and a token of appreciation for the VSL team for the hardwork they put in.

Originally Posted by: andi

Mobileavatar, your question about Synchron Strings II can't be answered yet.

Hi Andi,

Thanks for your reply, but the question was more for VSL team to think about. If there will additional legato or similar patches in future Synchron Strings libs that demand certan "continuity" in terms of phrasing, it would be a good idea if the user can keep using the same instrument, i.e. [VSL Synchron Strings] instead of [VSL Synchron Strings I], [VSL Sychron Strings II], etc.

re: "Orcherstral Instruments" (Add/Remove instruments)

It would be great if you could consider in the next version, adding [VSL Sychron Strings] to "Orchestral Instruments" since all VSL instruments have been included in the category and it is the default one.

Thanks again.

Best,

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Hi Andi,

Thanks for the tip! Yes, after choosing "All Instruments", [VSL Synchron Strings] does show up.

But it's a bit strange, because all the other VSL strings instrument show up under "Orchestral Instruments", with [VSL Synchron Strings].

Also, will future Synchring Strings libs, e.g. Synchron Strings II, III, use the same [VSL Synchron Strings] instruments, or they will probably be separate like, [Dimension Strings I] and [Dimension Strings II]?

Thanks again!

Best,

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Hi Andi,

Thanks for updated soundset!

With the VSL House Style, like the older versions, I am able to see different Strings Libraries, e.g. Violin I [Dimension Strings I], in Add/Remove, but I cannot see anyting instrument related to Synchron Strings.

For the manual soundsets, there are Synchron Violins, Synchron Violas, etc.

Best,

A STANDARD function in VI and VI Pro suddenly becomes a WISH-LIST item in Synchron Player.

When a patch is dragged to the tree, the SLOT (aka CELL) stays "untitled".

The ONLY view that will show the patch associated with the highlighted SLOT is the EDIT view.

If you are on another page, NO LUCK you will have ZERO VISUAL INFO what the patch is.

I wrote to VSL, and am told that I need to COPY and PASTE the cell name from a PRESET. (WHAT???!! I need to open and load another Synchron Player instance and preset just for copying the SLOT names???)

AND... VSL will not enable auto-naming anytime soon in near future (which I interpret as "it will not happen in the forseeable future", since "soon" = infinity).

Congrats on the release, VSL team!!!

I notice there are some new audio demos on the product page.

Are all the demos on the page using the new Synchron Player?

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Originally Posted by: jasensmith

Give us the choice.  And I propose we call the Silent Stage samples just that "Silent Stage" not Classic, not Legacy not the old stuff, etc.

I concur, but saying it more to VSL... if VSL does not put out new products (soon enough) for the Silent Stage soon enough, the series will get stale anyhow.

What was the last product for the Silent Stage? Wasn't it "Roompack. 6: Synchron Stage Vienna"?? And what was one before that???

I empathize decisions are often market-driven, but IMHO, if they rely too much on the market, there will be no vision, or the vision might not be that unique.

With the release of Synchron Piano and Synchron FX Strings, VSL has proven that they have maintained their standard of excellence. If they could be slightly more transparent with their roadmap, I think many of us will be a lot less anxious... and more than happy to embrace new products in either series.

Hopefully, VSL understands that we are investing in not just their libraries but also their vision. Edit: Probably VSL understands that aspect too well... :D

Originally Posted by: fatis12_24918

Originally Posted by: Dietz

Dear Forum-Members,

I think that everything that had to be said is said by now - can we please bring this thread back to more friendly and cooperative ground?

Thanks a lot. 

Words of wisdom, I quote.

But if everytime VSL ignores important questions we asked (e.g. whether the new player would improve the legato), VSL basically just wants silence, not cooperation.

Synchron Player is definitely next-gen in terms of usability and playability. Synchron Yamaha CFX and Synchron FX Strings prove how great Synchron Player is, because not only both libraries take advantages of the features the player offers, but also the VSL team could test their editing with Synchron Player in parallel.

Synchron Strings I should be the same (conceptually), but maybe because it was developed ahead of the development of Synchron Player and on top they edited the Synchron Strings I samples to work VI/VI Pro, my guess is that really added complexity to the development process.

When VSL announced Synchron Strings I, I am sure VSL did not make the "legao re-invented" claim out of thin air. There must have been some "proof-of-concept" somewhere. If VSL is so close to the re-release of Synchron Strings I for Synchron Player, how come VSL cannot their original "proof-of-concept", i.e their original vision with us at this point?

Or the realization is so far off from the original "proof-of-concept" that it is not that much different from the VI/VI Pro version, so VSL just wants us to find out ourselves and leave the judgment to us.

I know this has been discussed over and over, but I just feel VSL could trust its customers (us) more that we are willing to workaround the shortcomings on the basis that VSL could be more frank to us, instead of portraying everything as "perfect" as it stands.

IMHO, Synchron series is not only a new product line, but also a new phase for VSL as a company. If they could be more transparent with their development and roadmap, it will be musch easier for people to take the risk to support them and embrace their vision. For an example, how many Synchron Strings libraries have they planned so far and what type of arts are included. We would probably like to know such info ahead of time. If tremolo sul ponticello is important to me, I would like to know whether it will be in Synchron Strings II or Strings V because that a big difference in terms of my financial commitment to the Synchron series.

If VSL does not know themselves, customers could only go on per-library basis. Then, what is the whole point of the series concept? Just a sharing of same recording venue/acoustical space, and mic mixes? Or it is more about loyalty building process - a co-investment by VSL and its loyal customers?

Hi,

While awaiting the release of the new Synchron Player, I start to think how well the two libraries would blend together...

Hope I am not jumping the gun too soon.

While I was exploring more in depth the close mics within SyFX, I realized many of the articulations, e.g. spherical texture, chords, pizz, etc. are implemented with pre-sampled divisi parts within each instrument group, i.e. there are multiple parts within one sample. 

For effects, the pre-sampled divisi makes a lot of sense as it adds complexity and movement to the sound. Yet, as Synchron Player / SyS currently does not support (auto-)divisi, I wonder how proper transitions can be made to bridge across SyS tutti and SyFX divisi.

As the two libraries share the same recording venue, they should blend well acoustically/spatially, but if there is a contrast between tutti (SyS) and divisi (SyFX), workarounds seem to be necessary to avoid awkward transitions between the two. One solution I could think of is to "thin" the SyS tutti.

Could someone share some tips on how to “thin” the sound of (SyS) strings to emulate the effect of “divisi”, e.g. via EQ settings and/or other effects on multiple tracks?

I really appreciate if VSL/any forum member would shed light on the subject.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by: muziksculp

Yes. Exactly ! 

@muziksculp

I think Paul/VSL has already provided his answer.

"Silence is Golden."

Originally Posted by: muziksculp

I also think it would be very helpful if Paul/VSL clarifies his statement regarding if the Synchron Player will offer improved legato functionality for Synchron Strings 1 or Not.

Yes, I agree. VSL should clarify that aspect NOW, instead of keeping on procrastinating the answer until the release of the Player (for us to find out ourselves).

I agree VSL should take all the time their development team needs.

But I do not understand, if it is only one bug, why they cannot show new video tutorials in the meantime??!!

The fact there is no new audio demo by now CONFIRMS Paul's earlier reply: the new player will not improve anything we hope for.

Just my two cents.

Hello,

Has anyone tried Synchron FX Strings with a Komplete Kontrol keyboard?

Do the colors (of the dimensions) apepar on the keyboard as light guide?

It will very cool (and useful) if Synchron Player will support such feature.

Best,