2.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 1/18/2022 3:21:28 AM

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

 

With a dongle you can take your license anywheres to any machine in any studio.

 

Why on earth would you want to?

I gather you've never worked in in a studio other than you're own right? Been there/done that and not everyone has the same things you work with. Not all licenses are site-wide but only good for one person. And if I need to go to a backup machine having the license on a dongle makes it super easy. I guess you've never had a system take a dump on you.

3.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 1/17/2022 9:49:16 PM

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

 Besides if you want to use a licensed plugin that has a machine license on another machine you've got all kinds of hoops to jump through. Not so with an iLok or Vienna Key.

 

No hoops at all! I have 3 VEP licenses using 3 dongles on three computers. Three machine licenses would be so much better! I've machine licensed hundreds of plugins and never had a problem.

With a dongle you can take your license anywheres to any machine in any studio.

4.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 1/17/2022 8:24:02 PM

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

The cloud is not reliable and it means you have to have your daw computer online. Most studios don't allow their machines online. And a machine license restricts you from easily moving your asset to another machine - again the computers would have to be online.

 

I've used machine licenses for years and they have been just fine.

Had it happen where if I make a change in my system the machine license goes south. Besides if you want to use a licensed plugin that has a machine license on another machine you've got all kinds of hoops to jump through. Not so with an iLok or Vienna Key.

5.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 1/17/2022 4:58:19 PM

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

It seems to me that the whole point of this move is to get away from hardware licensers. I use Cubase and it will soon be rid of it's elicenser which is great for me as I have a new Macbook Air M1. If I have to have a dongle I might as well use the elicenser(s) I already have!

Don't know where you got that idea of this move is getting away from hardware dongles. Why Steinberg is dropping it's dongle - I have no idea. I'd rather have a dongle than a machine license or a cloud license. The cloud is not reliable and it means you have to have your daw computer online. Most studios don't allow their machines online. And a machine license restricts you from easily moving your asset to another machine - again the computers would have to be online.

6.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 1/13/2022 10:57:32 PM

Originally Posted by: Lionberg Go to Quoted Post

If user does not have ilok usb device, would you provide for those who own VEP6 with old eLicenser for free?

I doubt it. Why not just buy an iLok? There's a lot of programs that use iLok and sooner or later you're going to need one. Besides - which eLicenser are you asking about - the s/w one or the hardware one? VEPro needs to see the hardware dongle and won't work with the s/w version as I recall.

7.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 12/18/2021 6:55:13 PM

Originally Posted by: Ben Go to Quoted Post

I have not yet tested it on my notebook, but to my knowledge you have a certan grace-time until you need to reconnect to the internet. You will get a warning as soon as the connection is lost, and this should give you enough time to save everything and fix your connection.

A lot depends on how often the cloud gets checked/polled. I know it's barely a matter of seconds when I've tried it and PT dies. Nowheres near enough time to save. That was just a test to see what would happen. This is from home base and I'm just 10 feet from my router.

8.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 12/18/2021 6:51:46 PM

Originally Posted by: clruwe Go to Quoted Post

Right, so the cloud is not very useful then... Especially on WiFi.

Cloud anything is not useful or reliable

9.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 12/17/2021 9:01:20 PM

Originally Posted by: clruwe Go to Quoted Post

Very interesting, thank you Paul. I suppose the only remaining question is how often does iLok need to connect to the cloud once you've open a project? Assuming I'm away from Wi-Fi on my laptop, I can always use my phone to tether a quick connection, but will I require it continuously during the work session and if so, how will this affect latency and similar issues?

All the best!

When using iLok Cloud it has to have a continuous connection; no dropouts at all. Lose that connection and you're stuck. Best to get a physical iLok and then you don't have to worry about iffy internet connections. Latency doesn't enter into this discussion.

10.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/27/2021 1:18:57 PM

Originally Posted by: badibeat Go to Quoted Post

Activating TLC (Theft/Loss Coverage) on an iLok means to my understanding that all licenses on the iLok become temporary for 90 days from the last time the driver can contact the server while the iLok is connected. So if an iLok is stolen or abused it will only function for 90 days, after which the licences expire until they are re-activated by connecting to the server. This reassurance for the vendors allows Pace to issue new permanent licences to you, in addition to the short lived temporary licenses you get from ZDT (Zero Downtime) alone.

TLC does not turn your licenses into temporary licenses. All that 90 day thing is how long you are covered by TLC. If the iLok server hasn't seen your iLok in 90 days that TLC coverage goes away. You still have permanent licenses.

11.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/18/2021 6:46:30 PM

Originally Posted by: Tralen Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: synchronizer Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Tralen Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: synchronizer Go to Quoted Post

What if you reformat your computer's harddrive or an OS update breaks something? Can a license on the cloud be recovered? There's no way to deregister a computer that's been "deleted" as far as I know, or is there?

As I understand, the reasoning behind opting for the cloud is exactly to avoid this situation. If the license is saved on the cloud, it doesn't need to be recovered.

I see.

Also, how easy is it to move between computers? It's useful to be able to run things on one computer at a time without having to transfer things manually.

I don't know if iLok works this way, but for other software that I use with cloud licenses, I just have to login with my email/password on the other machine (assuming the program is already installed, of course).

I don't know about all programs that use iLok Cloud but for Pro Tools you have to log out of the computer in use before using the license on another. Helps stop someone from using the program on more than one computer at a time.

12.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/18/2021 11:59:43 AM

Originally Posted by: The Minstrel Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

It's a shame there's no machine licensing. Steinberg just announced it's upcoming licensing, basically you get a three moth license before you have to connect to the internet again, also it looks like they're offering a one year license as well. This is for TWO computers.

With VSL, I'll either have to be online 24/7 or still carry a bloody dongle around...I don't mind on my desktop but with my new Mac M1 it would be so nice to be dongle free!

I agree, Steinbergs upcoming licensing system seems superior to the ilok from a customer point of view. Still, ilok is pretty flexible compared to the e-licenser, and I assume ilok offers greater protection against piracy. My DAW is always connected to the internet, so I will probably opt for the cloud solution to get rid of all my dogles once and for all. I hate dongles marginally less than I love VSL's software and sample libraries. :)

Steinberg's upcoming system will be a disaster. Already living through that type of system with BFD 3 drum program. You have to stay logged in to their license manager even when offline. And you're computer has tp log in to their site every few months to re-up one's licenses. Trouble is right now that time period is fluid and everyone gets a different amount of time between renewals. My daw isn't connected to the net unless it really has to for updates and downloads.

Cloud is a pain because what do you do when (not if but when) you lose your internet connection? You're stuck and if you're in the middle of a session you look stupid to anyone else in the room. I love having a hardware iLok and will be happy to get down to just the one.

13.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/11/2021 3:18:02 AM

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

It's a shame there's no machine licensing. Steinberg just announced it's upcoming licensing, basically you get a three moth license before you have to connect to the internet again, also it looks like they're offering a one year license as well. This is for TWO computers.

With VSL, I'll either have to be online 24/7 or still carry a bloody dongle around...I don't mind on my desktop but with my new Mac M1 it would be so nice to be dongle free!

I'd rather have the security of a dongle than depend on a cloud service. Also not nuts about machine licensing either. Machine licensing can be a right pain if you change something in the computer and the license goes away. What's so bad about carrying around a small dongle anyway? Compared to the size of the computer it's minimal.

14.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/9/2021 11:53:23 AM

Originally Posted by: 153538 Go to Quoted Post

Hello,

As Benzon said, the strings sound very nice but I also would be happy to know the migration date in order to dive into VSL for the first time. I'm actually considering the posibility of buying a VSL library without getting the Vienna Key at all and just let the product sleep on my computer until the ILok migration finally happens. But my second problem regarding the migration is related to USB Hubs.

Could someone help me choose a USB Hub thats friendly with ILok dongles?

I'm using a MacBook Pro (mid2012) with only two sockets (one for the audio interface and the other for the hub) and I read that a proper hub for these dongles would have to be a powered one. The thing is that I don't know which one will work and I'm aware that theres a lot of compatibility issues. I can't afford to buy the wrong one or having to go through a buy/return process because it would be very stressful and time consuming.

Of course the Cloud option can be useful but I still need the dongle for a stable workflow.

The compatibility issue you may be talking about is with USB 3 ports as the iLok is USB 2. Some people have had issues getting solid communication between the iLok and USB 3 ports. The usual answer is to get, as you surmise, a powered USB hub. I like wall wart powered hubs and not bus powered ones so you're not pulling power from a computer port particularly on a laptop. I'm currently using a 7 port one from Startec.com that is externally powered. While I'm not on a laptop (I have a 2012 MacPro cheesegrater desktop) I need the extra ports a hub provides. There are several good sources in the US - I tend to use B&H - they're on the web.

15.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/6/2021 5:49:49 PM

Originally Posted by: jhilsen01 Go to Quoted Post

For years I've been irked and bewildered that VSL requires the physical dongle. But I figured, well, that's they way they set it up at some point long ago... and it's simply never gonna be a big enough priority to go back and change it. Restructuring the licensing handling would take too much work. Oh well, too bad for us users.

But now VSL is taking the time to restructure the licensing handling... and they're still choosing to stick with the physical dongle. Oooof.

I'd rather have the dongle than a machine authorization. Allows me to take my license asset to whatever machine I want to work on. It's more secure than any machine auth system. And less prone to illicit use as well.

16.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/5/2021 9:58:54 PM

Originally Posted by: Seventh Sam Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Don't know where you get the idea that you have to wait for the 90 days to be up before being activated on the new dongle. The only thing the 90 days refers to is that to keep TLC coverage going you have to let the iLok site see your dongle every 90 days which can be done on any computer with the ILM s/w. Has nothing to do with licenses being voided.

This was my take-away as well.  Everything on their website indicates that a new dongle requires brand new ZDT+TLC, which - by definition - necessitates a new 90-day refresh period be instantiated.  It doesn't make any sense that a new dongle would be subject to an old, voided dongle's 90 day cycle.

There's nothing on the iLok site that a new dongle requires brand new ZDT/TLC. ZDT/TLC is completely optional for one's ilok. The new iLok is NOT subject to any old 90 day cycle. You may be confused in that each iLok has to have it's own ZDT (if you want it to). You don't have to have ZDT on a new/replacement iLok. An old iLok's ZDT does not carry over to a new iLok. Each iLok is a separate entity.

For Instance I have two iLoks. Each has their own ZDT setup. I don't have to have ZDT on the second iLok but I choose to be safe and have both covered. That way if I have an iLok that seems to be flaky I can move the licenses over to the other one with no problem.

I've been dealing with iLoks for almost a decade now and know what's what.

17.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/5/2021 11:56:27 AM

Originally Posted by: JBuck Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Seventh Sam Go to Quoted Post
I'm not sure where you're getting the "unable to use products for 75 days" part?

If you refresh your licences on the 1st of Nov, you lose your dongle on the 2nd Nov, ZDT licences are issued on 3rd Nov which last until the 17th Nov. For the 90 days to lapse until the licences on the lost/stolen dongle are void and thus can be activated on your new dongle, you will have to wait until at least 1st of February. 

Don't know where you get the idea that you have to wait for the 90 days to be up before being activated on the new dongle. The only thing the 90 days refers to is that to keep TLC coverage going you have to let the iLok site see your dongle every 90 days which can be done on any computer with the ILM s/w. Has nothing to do with licenses being voided.

18.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/4/2021 5:20:50 PM

Originally Posted by: JBuck Go to Quoted Post

'Insurance' suggests that the licences will be replaced. This is not insurance. iLok requires that we submit an RMA request that will cost $49.95 USD plus shipping, outside of the 2 year warranty. Then they assess the broken iLok to determine whether the licences can be recovered and if not, we need to then contact VSL and tell them. If our iLok is lost/stolen then just skip straight to the last step. That's when VSL tell us that we need to pay 50% of the original price of the licences.

What we get for $30 USD is temporary 2 week licences while we freak out about having to pay VSL thousands of euros AGAIN. 

So the real insurance is the TLC which is just licences that expire every 90 days. which would still potentially leave us without the ability to use our products for 75 days. And why should that cost us $30 USD a year?.

ZDT is just that - you can immediately get back to work while waiting for your RMA to be processed. To me that's worth the $30/year.

19.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/3/2021 9:33:55 PM

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hello LPA, 

There is currently no way to use our products without a physical key, but that will change with the transition to iLok and the iLok cloud. 

Best, 
Paul

Any idea when the transition will happen?

20.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 11/3/2021 9:29:14 PM

Originally Posted by: JBuck Go to Quoted Post

iLok gives us expiring licences (TLC) that we must renew every 90 days. But they only offer this service if you are subscribed to ZDT for $30 USD a year.

They could give us TLC for free. It requires zero personnel and costs them nothing. Nice one iLok!

That $30 US per year is the cheapest insurance you can ever buy for music related stuff. I wouldn't be without it. Or a second iLok. I have two iLoks and separate ZDT (zero downtime) on each one.

21.Moving from eLicenser to iLok 4/10/2021 6:41:36 PM

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi everybody, 

We'll keep you up to date right here, and of course you will also be informed via newsletter as soon as we are entering the transition phase!

@LAJ: "Lizenzdaten-Wildwuchs" is one of those german words that makes people afraid of our language .

Best,
Paul 

Was an email sent out about this announcement? I regularly get VSL emails but saw nothing about this. Found out when browsing another music forum.

22.VSL ditching Steinberg key? 4/10/2021 6:38:26 PM

Originally Posted by: Ben Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the reply. Surprised an email wasn't sent out about this. I only knew about it from browsing the Motunation forum today. Normally the only music forum I go to on a daily basis is the DUC - Avid Pro Tools forum. May want to think about sending out an email to all those on the mailing list (if that hasn't been done).

23.VSL ditching Steinberg key? 4/10/2021 5:26:33 PM

Browsing another music forum and ran into a thread that VSL was going to ditch the Steinberg/Vienna key dongle in favor of iLok. Is this true or just another Internet rumor? I have and use both; would just like to know what's up (if anything).

24.elicenser problem? 8/12/2020 12:04:22 PM

Paul:

Sent screenshot to the support email address along with an explanation. I have updated to the latest revision of the elicenser control center and everything seems to be okay. Weird thing was that I found in my testing is that before I updated the elicenser control center if I opened that and then opened VEPro 7 everything went smoothly.

Jack

PS: is there any need for me to post the screenshot here?

25.elicenser problem? 8/12/2020 1:49:40 AM

Got an odd one happening - every once in a while when I go to open VEPro 7 on my 2012 MacPro cheesegrater running OSX 10.13.6 I get an error message saying a license can't be found if I click the 'retry' button everything runs no problem. Running the latest revision of the eLicenser s/w. Dosen't matter if the Vienna Key is plugged into my powered hub or direct into the computer. Yet Steinberg Wavelab Elements gives me no heartburn.

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