Thanks for the feedback on the short articulations. 

Originally Posted by: Beat Kaufmann

Originally Posted by: lupine

Yes, I also hope Paul can chime in here. Their older strings libraries such as Appassionata and Dimension Strings have 4 layers for longs and legatos, and more for the shorts.
I'd like a new string library (specially a library with an improved legato like they said) to come with a larger amount of layers other than features like simultaneously two rooms recording, in order to avoid faking missing layers with CC11 envelops or filters.
I also wonder why octave and fifth runs come in major scales only and why the ascending and descending third runs are not specular: if you want to play an ascending third and then come back down you can't do that on every note, because they did not record every single third up and down :(

Hello Lupine
Hello to all those who are still undecided about taking advantage of the offer until the end of July.

I am currently working on a demo that will show the sound and its possibilities of this new library in detail. Here is a small preview - at least audio-wise.

The examples are all without presets, but all as the libraries were originally recorded. There is no better way to judge the library and its sound. Have fun so far.

You ask about the number of layers. Unfortunately I don't know the answer to this question, but from the sound point of view this question doesn't arise. It simply sounds natural from soft to loud, without any gradations as with earlier libraries. Especially in combination with the Timbre Controller (CC08) you can support the sound as it suits you.

As far as runs are concerned, the Legati are so great that you can write out a run and it actually sounds the same as the runs that are stored as a whole. So it doesn't bother me that there are only major runs.

During the production of the demo, I never had the feeling that I could not realise one of my ideas. With earlier libraries, there were often limitations that made a necessary game form simply not possible. Of course, you have to have a certain dexterity and know the sound possibilities of the library well in order to get a real playing result.

See you later - when the demo and the video are ready.
Beat

Hi Beat,

I'm looking forward to your  VSL Synch. Duality Strings Tutorial, and the delicate strings serenade music of Tchaikovsky, I noticed violin players using a mute on their instruments, so this piece might even be better to emulate with the upcoming Sordino version of Duality Strings. 

Thanks,

Muziksculp 

Originally Posted by: lupine

Here is the post regarding the velocity layers:

Originally Posted by: Paul

@FPaolo: We have recorded 3 velocities for all main articulations (shorts, longs, all legatos, portamentos, tremolos). 

Oh.. I see. Thanks. 

I wonder why they limited the shorts to 3 dynamics ?  Maybe Paul can chime in on this detail, and what is the general opinion on the shorts quality given they are limited to 3 dynamics ?  I like what I hear, but maybe more demos that focus on exposing the shorts only would be helpful in evaluating this important detail. 

Originally Posted by: lupine

Why three dynamic layers only, also for shorts?

I don't see this info. on the product pages. Where did you see that the shorts are limited to three dynamic layers in Duality Strings ? 

I think the most dynamic layers for shorts is between 8 and 10 velocity layers they recorded for Synchron Strings 1 . imho. That's the best part of that library. 

It would be helpful to know how many dynamic/velocity layers were sampled for Duality Strings Short articulations. Hopefully more than 3. 

Originally Posted by: Sakamoto

Hi, as a Synchron String Pro owner i wonder if the Duality Strings have a better sound or not. I know the Pro does not have the small setup but I am not sure if I am smart enough to benefit from the Duality

Hi,

imho. and to my ears, Yes. I think I hear an improved timbre, and character, also flow in the legatos in this new Duality Strings Library, compared to Synch. Str Pro, and Synch. Strs 1. I also hear more of a natural release when listening to some of the videos/demos of Duality Strings. It just sounds more musical-expressive-and-natural compared to the other libraries they released. 

One thing that I sensed is that the Duality concept / recording techniques used are maybe different to their other libraries, their recording engineer would surely know exactly what he did differently in this sampling session for Duality Strings, I also feel that the VSL team is also very excited, and pleased with the improvements this new Duality Technique has given their strings line, they surely hear the improvements, therefore decided to move forward with more specialized Duality Strings i.e. Sords, Sul-Pont, ..etc. Which are major projects, they would have not bothered with if they felt they are not getting better, and more musical results from the Duality Strings experiment. 

Oh.. and I have decided to purchase Duality Strings Full version before July 31st. 

Just my 2Cents on this topic. I hope I was a bit helpful. 

Cheers,

Muziksculp 

Originally Posted by: daviddln

Originally Posted by: muziksculp

Hi,

Congratulations to VSL for releasing this very special Strings Library. It's a new concept, as usual, VSL is an innovating developer. I'm very happy that they are still working hard at improving their craft, and getting more creative with their sample libraries. 

OK, so for those of you that have this library installed, how do you like the shorts, both timbre wise, and playability, agility, dynamics, ..etc. I look forward to hear your feedback about this detail. 

Thanks,

Muziksculp 

Hi, 

The shorts are very good. My favorites are the spiccato articulations. They are very agile and punchy.

Best,

David

Hi David,

Thanks for your helpful feedback regarding the Duality Strings Shorts. 

Cheers,

Muziksculp 

Hi,

Congratulations to VSL for releasing this very special Strings Library. It's a new concept, as usual, VSL is an innovating developer. I'm very happy that they are still working hard at improving their craft, and getting more creative with their sample libraries. 

OK, so for those of you that have this library installed, how do you like the shorts, both timbre wise, and playability, agility, dynamics, ..etc. I look forward to hear your feedback about this detail. 

Thanks,

Muziksculp 

Hi,

Can you remind me of what exactly 'Interval Map' does in VI-Pro ?  Completely forgot about it, since I no longer use VI-Pro. only Synchron Player now. I would love to see a good video tutorial on making a performance legato patch in Synchron Player. If that is possible, or maybe VSL will make some Performance Legatos for us in future updates. I feel this is one of the current weakness of VSL Synchron Player, too much reliance on Key-Switches. which honestly, I'm not a big fan of. 

Thanks. 

Originally Posted by: TonyF

Dd any of the synchron string libraries contain solo strings? Looking at synchron elite strings, synchron strings pro, synchron strings I, and synchron strings FX and I can't tell if they have any solo instruments or are they all just sections and ensembles?

Not interested in any of the "synchron-ized" string libraries at this time.

Hi,

I'm hoping that VSL will be releasing Synrhron Solo Strings in the near future. They do not currently have a true-Synchron Solo Strings Library. Only Synchronized, or the VI-Solo Strings versions. 

Cheers,

Miuziksculp 

Originally Posted by: Dietz

You have to create one (and only one) instance of MIR Pro that is switched to "RT"-mode (read: RoomTone-mode).

But please be warned that this mode isn't recalled properly by several DAWs for an unknown reason (Cubase/Nuendo being one of them), so please make a note to activate RT-Mode manually again.

HTH,

Hi Dietz,

Thank You for the helpful feedback. I was able to get the room-tone in my DAW (Studio One Pro 5). By inserting a MIR-Pro instance on an empty stereo audio track, and enable RT on the MIR-Pro Plugin. Now I can dial in the Room Tone amount of this audio track as needed. 

Cheers,

Muziksculp

Hi,

I'm not sure why I can't increase the (Room Tone) fader in MIR Pro to add some room tone of the venue I have selected. When I try to move the Room Tone fader to the right it doesn't move. Is there something I'm missing here, or a setting, ..etc. ? 

Any help on this detail would be appreciated. 

Thanks. 

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi, 

We have of course tested it and found that slightly reducing the velocity layers sits better with the sound of Synchron Strings Pro. 

Best, 
Paul

Hi Paul,

If that's the case, then I'm happy as is. Synchron Strings Pro are great. I don't need the Optimized Shorts, or to add the Optimized Synchron Strings I content. 

Would love to see Synchron Solo Strings released in the near future. 😎

Thank You,

Muziksculp 

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi muziksculp, 

Can you please post a short example where the difference is shown?

Best, 
Paul

Hi Paul,

I deleted Synchron Strings I from my SSD, so I can't compare. But I do recall that the Synchron Strings I shorts were more detailed sounding compared to the Synchron Strings Pro. Actually Synchron Strings I shorts were very impressive, that's why I still recall how good they are. 

Maybe you can test them yourself to compare, and see what you think about them. 

Thanks,

Muziksculp 

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi, 

In our opinion, the slightly reduced number of velocities we added in Synchron Strings Pro, work really well. 

And of course you can keep the original Synchron Strings I, if that's important for your work. 

Best, 
Paul

Hi Paul,

imho. The shorts of Synchron Strings I with their higher number of dynamics sound more detailed, and realistic than Synchron Strings Pro, that's why I feel it would be very useful if I could have an optimized version of Synchron Strings I that includes the shorts. or just offers the shorts. I have both Synchron Strings I, and Pro,  I would really like to just add the shorts to my Pro version, without having to use Synchron Strings I. That's the part of Synch. Str I that I feel is the most impressive. 

So, maybe you will think about offering the shorts from Synch. Str I as an option for Synchron Strings Pro users like myself. I'm sure many Synchron Strs. Pro user would love this option as well. 

Thanks,

Muziksculp 

Originally Posted by: nektarios

I cannot thank you enough for introducing me to Studio One Pro 5!!! Oh-my-good. This is exactly what I was looking for, for years. I looove it!! The articulation management is the best as you said!

I am totally DONE WITH CUBASE and their crappy usability and interface.... I can't wait to start composing now some pieces with it!

Originally Posted by: muziksculp

I use Studio One Pro 5, which has the Sound-Variation feature very nicely integrated with VSL Synchron Player, so they automatically appear in S1 Pro 5, and even if I have my own custom patches, with articulations in the Tree, they automatically populate the Sound-Variations of S1 Pro 5. So, Articulation management is fantastic. You just select the notes you want and assign the articulation you need for them from the Sound-Variation list window. 

I'm not sure what DAW you use, but Studio One Pro 5 has imho the best articulation management system with VSL Synchron Player, because both companies developed it together to make sure they work perfectly, and communicate bi-directionally. 

I'm glad you are discovering how wonderful Studio One Pro 5 is. It is only going to get better, and better. So, you made a wise decision to use it. I used to be a Cubase user, but switched to Studio One Pro when it was at version 3, and never bothered with Cubase any more. Plus, Studio One Pro 5 comes with five software licenses, no need for a dongle. Although You still need a dongle for VSL libraries. 

I hope VSL changes their mind, and include the Synchron Strings I shorts in the optimized version. 

Originally Posted by: nektarios

I see. I cannot agree more. My question to you, (since I am only now beginning to use Synchron libraries), Having both libraries what challenges that this presents in your production in regards to articulation switching? In other words, having both, is the drawback just more HD space?

Originally Posted by: muziksculp

Not including the shorts is the primary reason I didn't install the Optimized version. The shorts to me are the best sounding, and most useful articulations that can improve Synchron Strings Pro, not the legatos. 

Since I got Synchron Strings Pro, I deleted Synchron Strings I (Full) from my SSD. So, I'm not using it, that's why I would like to get the Optimized version of Synch. Str I , if it included the shorts. I do not like the Legatos in Synchron Strings I, the Legatos of Synchron Strings Pro are much better. So, I have no desire to use Synch. Strs. I longs/legatos. 

I use Studio One Pro 5, which has the Sound-Variation feature very nicely integrated with VSL Synchron Player, so they automatically appear in S1 Pro 5, and even if I have my own custom patches, with articulations in the Tree, they automatically populate the Sound-Variations of S1 Pro 5. So, Articulation management is fantastic. You just select the notes you want and assign the articulation you need for them from the Sound-Variation list window. 

I'm not sure what DAW you use, but Studio One Pro 5 has imho the best articulation management system with VSL Synchron Player, because both companies developed it together to make sure they work perfectly, and communicate bi-directionally. 

Originally Posted by: nektarios

If that is the case, this is a huge dealbreaker! In fact, then they are not redundant at all! Having different velocity layers does not make them equal. As a matter of fact, I would expect Synchron Strings Pro to be the ones with more velocity layers. I mean they are labeled "Pro". Professionals want more, not less.

For this reason, I am daring use the optimized content. Absolutely not.

Originally Posted by: muziksculp

 I think the shorts in Synchron Strings I have more dynamic/velocity layers, compared to the ones in Synchron Strings Pro. They sound more detailed. 

Originally Posted by: muziksculp

Sadly, none of the Synchron Strings I Short articulations were included in the Optimized version. 

I wish VSL will re-consider this, and include them in the Optimized version.

THANKS 

Not including the shorts is the primary reason I didn't install the Optimized version. The shorts to me are the best sounding, and most useful articulations that can improve Synchron Strings Pro, not the legatos. 

Sadly, none of the Synchron Strings I Short articulations were included in the Optimized version. 

I wish VSL will re-consider this, and include them in the Optimized version.

THANKS 

Originally Posted by: LAJ

Some new Libs are on the way.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3884051278365000&id=801874996582659&m_entstream_s

Fingers Crossed it's Synchron Woodwinds in December. 

Thanks for the facebook link. 

Hi,

OK, issue is RESOLVED. 

The solution was very simple, I just had to go to the Sound-Variations in Studio One, and from the popup menu in the upper tab of the Sound-Variations popup window, choose "Use Activation Sequence", I had one of the other options selected, which disables the Keyboard controller from Changing Key-Switches. 

Here is a pic of that menu, and setting that you need to have the Keyboard select the key-switches to change articulations. 

I hope this is helpful info. for other S1Pro users. 

Cheers,

Muziksculp 

Hi, 

I should add to my post above, that I also see some odd note data when I load a Synchron Player Library in Studio One Pro 5.4.1. The Key-Editor shows dark brown notes for some of the Key-Switches of the Preset, they are not selectable, or editable. They just appear in the Key-Editor. 

So, something is very strange here with regards to the Key-Switches, and Studio One. The Sound Variations work, but if I need to switch to a specific articulation via pressing a key-switch note on my Keyboard it doesn't work. Nothing happens. 

Here is a Pic of the key-switch notes that appear automatically in the key-editor. when a Preset is loaded

I e-mailed VSL-Support about this problem, hopefully they can help me fix this issue if it's on my side, or they might have to fix it via an update. If anyone using S1Pro , I would appreciate it if you can test, and see if you have this issue. (THANKS). 

Hi,

I'm having a strange issue with the VSL Synchron Player, when I press any of the Key-Switch keys using my Keyboard controller to change an articulation in the Tree, it does not show that Key being pressed, and the articulation does not change, when I play the normal playable range the keys do react on the Synchron Player's virtual keyboard, and reflect the notes I'm playing on my keyboard controller.

I noticed there was an update for the Synchron Player, ver. 1.1.2053, which was posted on 11-15-21 , so I installed this latest update, but it's still behaving the same way, I can't change articulations via my controller keyboard, if I click on the Synchron virtual keyboard in the Key-switch area/range, the articulations do change, but not when I use my keyboard controller.

Any idea what's going on here. I tested my Keyboard controller with Kontakt for Key-switches, to see if there is a problem, and it works fine, don't have this issue.

Is there a setting that I need to change ? I have never experienced this issue using Synchron Player. 

Any help/feedback to fix this issue would be appreciated. 

I'm using Studio One Pro 5.4.2 on Windows 10. 

I should also add that the Synchron Player is taking more than usual to load as an empty instrument, and also more than usual to load presets. Not sure if I can fix this, it used to be very snappy, and fast. something seems to affect its performance in terms of loading. Any feedback on this detail as well would be very helpful. (THANKS).

Thanks,

Muziksculp

Originally Posted by: DaddyO

I'd love to see it too, but I don't remember any significant new releases in December. 

December is usually all about vouchers, buy 3 get one free.

That said, we can hope, can't we.

It would be so nice to have a complete Syncrhon Orchestra before 2021 ends.

We have Synchron Strings, Brass, and Perc. , but no Woodwinds. So the foundation of the Synchron Orchestra is incomplete.

December would be a beautiful month to release Synchron Woodwinds, and have a joyful Holiday Season, plus whatever else VSL wants to delight us with such as coupons, discounts, ..etc. 

Hi,

Yes, I'm super excited to see VSL Release Synchron Woodwinds.

I'm sure it will be an amazing sounding woodwinds library. Would love it if it shows up in December this year. 

Cheers,

Muziksculp