FORUMS - Vienna Symphonic Library

1.Pop/Ballad Mix and Distance Dependent Scaling 10/25/2021 2:33:03 PM

Hi guys,

I do Ballad Mixing only. Just curious do you guys use Distance Dependent Scaling for pop/ballad mix or do you guys usually turn it off?

I tried to turn it off and then I position two instruments, one forward and one backward. Adjusting global wet/dry to -30% I honestly hear some, but little changes between the forward and the back instrument. I placed the global wet so low because I need to add color reverbs later and hence I don't want this spatial reverb to be overwhelming. However I need my instruments to be distanced layered, nothing fanciful, it is a physic thing.

However as I said, with direction scaling off, it becomes quite hard to tell who is in front and who is behind. Yes I know I can always use the fader, that will defeat the point of using Mirpro, I believe. So I am curious, why is it recommended within this forum for distance scaling to be turned off?

With it off, I will lose distance layering sensing. What are the advantage then?

2.Different reverb time for mirpro within the same project 10/24/2021 9:08:23 AM

Hello everyone,

I am green as grass in using mir pro. This is my first time trying to integrate it in my work flow.

May i know if it is possible to have different reverb times for the same project? I would like one of my instrument, say the strings to have 3 seconds of room reverb and my vocal to have only 1 seconds. This is separate from my color reverb which I am using miracle to effect.
Please note, I require the wet and dry mix for both the instrument and global setting to be fixed.

Any help is appreciated!

Thomas

3.Midi Breathe Controller Vs After-touch 10/13/2021 4:18:40 PM

Originally Posted by: Seventh Sam

Originally Posted by: thomas_hjl

Hi everyone,

I am currently learning how to use Synchron Strings Pro proficiently and I have noticed that Paul in his YouTube videos controls the Vel-XF (velocity cross-fade) with the Hornberg Midi breathe controller.

I am just wondering, isn't it better to use an after-touch keyboard to control the Vel-XF? Honestly I have never used an one before but the concept seems right to me.

Seeing the videos convinced me that I must find a way to control the vel-XF, but if After-touch works, then, perhaps I could skip the step of buying an expensive Breath controller? What do you guys think?

I hope I am not resurrecting some fight provocative thread, I am just hoping to be educated.

Thomas

Thomas,

I've actually wondered the same thing, as I'm interested in using either to control VelXF myself. One thing that occurs to me is that aftertouch (as far as I understand it) doesn't engage until after you've pressed the key down. So, assuming the point of aftertouch is that more pressure = higher CC values, wouldn't that mean that playing something like scales would result in very strange, quiet, and uneven performance? Since the curve starts at 0, that means it wouldn't engage past that until you land on a key and press it down hard enough to engage aftertouch. So, if you're playing a fast run that's supposed to crescendo evenly, that means you're continually landing on key after key, but without the time or pressure needed to keep the aftertouch curve engaged in a smooth way.

That said, this is all conjecture: I have very little experience with using aftertouch, so if I'm wrong or misguided about this...please, anyone, chime in!

Hi Sam,

I bought a second hand CME Xkey 25 for like $25usd to try it out. What you predicted happened. It was quite bad. However I am just scratching the surface of what it can do.

CME Xkey Plus controls the aftertouch information. Seems like there is a mode to control the value of the AT after the velocity has done its work. So it means it is possible to config the value to not rise from zero. Secondly CME aftertouch allows me to plot and adjust its response curve. Basically it is quite a lot of experiment to do. So theoretically I believe it is possible to use AT but I have yet to have success in it. No time to play with it fully.

4.Midi Breathe Controller Vs After-touch 10/7/2021 5:07:07 PM

Hi everyone,

I am currently learning how to use Synchron Strings Pro proficiently and I have noticed that Paul in his YouTube videos controls the Vel-XF (velocity cross-fade) with the Hornberg Midi breathe controller.

I am just wondering, isn't it better to use an after-touch keyboard to control the Vel-XF? Honestly I have never used an one before but the concept seems right to me.

Seeing the videos convinced me that I must find a way to control the vel-XF, but if After-touch works, then, perhaps I could skip the step of buying an expensive Breath controller? What do you guys think?

I hope I am not resurrecting some fight provocative thread, I am just hoping to be educated.

Thomas

5.Dimension Strings vs Elite Strings 9/6/2021 1:09:36 AM

Originally Posted by: Seventh Sam

Originally Posted by: thomas_hjl

Hi,

This might be an old topic but I don't find a lot of content on this. Can anyone tell me what's the difference between Elite strings and Dimension Strings? It seems to me that the synchronized dimension strings is able to do what the elite strings do.

For modern pop song writing, which is a better combination?

A) Synchronized Dimension Strings + Synchronized Appassionata Strings

vs

B) Synchron Strings Pro + Synchron Elite Strings.

Any feedback is truly appreciated. Thanks guys.

They're very different libraries with very different philosophies behind their development:

The SYN-zed Dimension Strings libraries are, at their core, about absolute control over the string sections. Each player was mic'ed separately, but they were all recorded playing each articulation in unison. This means that all violins playing together play as an ensemble, but you can control each separate player's...well, every single parameter. They're all humanized separately, they can be automated separately, they can mix and match articulations, and (not to be overlooked) you can force each player to play on a different string, resulting in a huge combination of timbres you can achieve. You can use the SYN-zed spatializations OR you can place them yourself however you want, so you can do as much or as little actual divisi as you want, down to whether it's desk divisi or row divisi. This library can be layered on just about anything and - due to the already staggering amount of timbral and humanization combinations available, can add a subtle yet very effective level of "imperfection" to a string section that's entirely controllable.

Synchron Elite Strings, on the other hand, is all about expressiveness in the samples. There are relatively few articulations, but of those that are there, they offer an incredible amount of control of the vibrato, the attack/release, and the dynamic shading beyond what standard libraries offer. The smaller section sizes coupled with the multi-mic approach make them flexible, spatially, but they are ultimately still "in-situ" and restricted to a certain extent to the ambience of and placement within the Synchron stage. That said, the sound quality and depth from this library (compared to dimension strings) is quite different: Elite Strings sound more lush and spacious, while the Dimension strings sound very up-close, woody, and "raw". The divisi of Elite Strings isn't actually divisi, but the illusion of it - the two "groups" are different mic setups that emphasize different parts of the section. This isn't bad by any means, but it's not at all like what dimension strings is able to pull off. This library is also WAAAAAY easier to control and set up than Dimension Strings.

All in all, they're both fantastic string libraries; they'll get the job done, but they're both built to serve very different purposes past a certain point. In my opinion, they both go above and beyond what a "normal" string library is supposed to do.

I hope that helps clarify some things!

Hi Seventh Sam, thank you so much for the valuable information! I felt like I was visited by a celebrity speaker hahaha since I see your name pretty often in various forums. Seems like after what you have sent, I am now officially in trouble, I have got to get Strings Pro and Elite now. =(

Anyway is there anyway Syn Dimension strings and Elite strings can work together? Since Dim strings is far more controllable, I guess it should be the smaller group of violin that is upfront in the mix while the elite strings supports in the background?

6.Dimension Strings vs Elite Strings 9/3/2021 1:28:46 AM

Hi,

This might be an old topic but I don't find a lot of content on this. Can anyone tell me what's the difference between Elite strings and Dimension Strings? It seems to me that the synchronized dimension strings is able to do what the elite strings do.

For modern pop song writing, which is a better combination?

A) Synchronized Dimension Strings + Synchronized Appassionata Strings

vs

B) Synchron Strings Pro + Synchron Elite Strings.

Any feedback is truly appreciated. Thanks guys.

7.Disable synchron library pedal 4/30/2021 5:19:35 AM

Now the question is, does synchrony library has the same blockout function?

8.Disable synchron library pedal 4/30/2021 5:17:34 AM

Hi Andreas,

Very simple, go to ADVANCED,

OPTION TAB

Look for MATRIX CC and set to 64

The sustain pedal is effectively blocked

9.Disable synchron library pedal 4/16/2021 3:03:54 AM

Hi all,

I am new to synchron library and wishes to disable the sustain pedal. Is there any way to do that? In the old VI library I can disable the sustain pedals on cc64 so that my strings will not slur together when playing live.

Any help is appreciated!

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