Thanks for the answer! Thats really too bad, looks like a great DAW. 

Hi!

I see that DP8 is being released for PC and it supports VST. But does it support VST3, or will you be limited to only 1 midi port per VEP instance as before?

Thanks!

-tom

Yes this is correct. The ASIO meter takes more than CPU performance into consideration. But if VEP is left at it's default core/thread setting (2?) and you have 4/6/8 core CPU, VEP will show a maxed out CPU meter as soon as that one core (2 threads), has reached it's limits. So try increasing the number of threads availiable to VEP.

VEP can utilize any number of CPU cores you have availiable. You can set the number of cpu cores under "Preferences" on the VEP Server application.

I don't quite understand what you mean? Non-Vienna-Instruments, as in other VST plugins, such as Kontakt? In that case, yes, you have to use Vienna Ensemble Pro.

Each Kontakt instance (hosted inside VEP5), will need to have 1 midi port assigned to it. For example: If Kontakt is the first VST you host inside VEP5, you would assign it "MIDI In: 1 VE PRO Plugin MIDI In 1". This, as you mention, gives you access to 16 midi channels inside this Kontakt instance. 

In the VEP5 Server preferences you can set the number of desired midi ports for each VEP instance, up to a maximum of 48, I think. So if you wanted, you could have access to 768 midi channels per INSTANCE of VEP5. Although the downside of having to many midi ports active, is that Cubase takes a long time setting these up when loading a project, so preferably keep the number as low as you can.

Glad you got it working! 

Hi! Here is a step-by-step description on how you can achieve the routing setup you described.

1) VEP5 Server: In "preferences" set the desired number of audio outputs for each VEP5 instance. (The number of availiable outputs being piped from VEP5 to Cubase).
2) Cubase: load VEP5 in the VST Rack.
3) Cubase: Click the symbol beside the loaded VEP instance to choose how many output channels Cubase shall receive from VEP5.
4) VEP5: add an instance of Kontakt.
5) Kontakt: Add the instruments you need inside Kontakt.
6) Kontakt: Assign a different output to each instrument (The output tab in Kontakt, here you may have to manually set-up the outputs, depending on how your Kontakt is configured).
7) VEP5: Add 1 "Audio Input Channel" for each of the stereo (or mono) outputs from Kontakt.
8) VEP5: Configure each of the audio input channels to receive the specific output from Kontakt. Btw: the first output from kontakt (stereo 1/2) will be tied to the Kontakt instance itself. Therefor the first "audio input channel" should be set-up to receive Kontakt second stereo output. Click the "input" field on the "Audio Input Channel", click "Instrument", select the corresponding Kontakt instance, - click the corresponding outout.
9) VEP5: Assign a specific output channel to each of the "audio input channels". Now you are able to send separate instruments on separate channels to Cubase.  

Hi Alex! 

The later version of VI Pro allows for "disabeling" cells, and thus freeing up ram. I usually do not load presets or matrices so I haven't experienced this feature, but if you press the "cog" icon next to VI Pro's version number (In the upper right corner), you get access to VI Pro's settings. Here you can check "Force Enabled Cells" which will load all samples in a matrix or a preset.

VI Pro also allows for polyphonic legato playing, so now by default the player is set to "Polyphonic mode". You can set the legato mode both globaly or per patch or matrix. For global monophonic legato, press the "Option" tab, and select "Mono" under "Interval mode". If you want to keep certain patches mono/poly, press the "Advanced" tab in the patch view and and set "Interval" mode to either follow global setting, monophonic or polyphonic.

Hope this helps!

-tom 

I haven't had the time to properly use it yet, but I have tested it. I just want to know how all the different buffer settings will work in the above scenarios, and wheter or not it is possible to have the same routing setup as within VE Pro...I suspect it won't be possible though.

The thing is, VEP 5 is fantastic in the way of hosting alot of samples and instruments and doing so at low system cost. And from what I saw from my short test with MIR as VST inside Cubase, I won't be be getting anywhere close the performance from Cubase (with a buffer of 512), as when using MIR within VEP5. Atleast not with a sensible buffer setting, as I need to keep all instruments loaded in VEP5. And I can live with some latency, but preferably not more than a buffer setting of 1024 (the total of VEP5 + Cubase, which already is pushing it in some situations).

Although it might still be worth using MIR as a VST plug until VEP5 gets a better way of saving and recalling channel settings without having to reload all the samples. 

Am I right to assume that

1) With the MIR vst plugin buffer set to 1024 - would result in a total buffer size of 1536 samples? 512+512+512? 
With the MIR vst plugin buffer set to 512 - would result in a total buffer size of 1024 samples? 

2) This scenario would result in a buffer size of 1024 right? So the same as MIR vst buffer set to 512?

Hi!

I have a couple of questions regarding the new MIR Pro VST.

1. What does the latency equate to when using MIR as a VST inside Cubase, when the instrument you are playing is hosted within VE Pro? Cubase buffer is set to 512. VE Pro plug in is set to x 1 buffer. Mir Pro is set to 1024 (as adviced. But what if it is set to 512?)

2. How does this then compare to using the integratet VEP5 version of MIR in terms of latency? Cubase buffer  is set to 512. VE Pro plug in is set to x 1 buffer.

3. When using MIR Pro as a VST plugin inside Cubase, is it possible to have the same signal flow as when you use VEP5's integreted MIR? When using the integrated version it is possible to separate the dry and wet signal of MIR, so you get both a dry but positioned signal from MIR, and the wet signal going for example to a separate buss for additional reverb treatment.

Oh no...are kidding me?! Haha...that's just...awful news.

But yeah, I asked about a solution for this quite some time ago, and it would be great if you could implement something. 
This is the only problem, but a HUGE problem with the current way VEP works. With really big templates it is impractical to make small changes on a project by project basis, as you have no way of saving and recalling them without reloading the entire sample base. 

As I see it, the biggest benefit with VE Pro is the fact that you can keep all your samples loaded when switching between projects. But with now with MIR also implemented directly into VE Pro, there is no easy way to make quick changes to individual instruments, between projects.
The only way (besides the "happy coincidence" bug) is to reload all samples, just to change the MIR seatings, volum/plugin settings. 

Are you then saying that there currently is no way of achieving what I'm describing here? If there isn't, I really hope you can make this
functionallity a priority. We need to have some way of loading channel/mir settings without having to reload all samples. Please. Really. Pleeeeease!

Thank you. 

Best regards
-tom 

 For example, in build 11262 I can do the following:

1. Create 5 VÌ Pro instances.
2. Create 5 Input channels.
3. Route the output of each of the 5 VI Pro instances to the 5 Input channels.
4. Save the 5 input channels as a "Channel set" 
5. Delete the 5 input channels.
6. Load the channel set containing the 5 input channels.
7. The 5 input channels will reappear with the VI Pro outout assigned to them correctly.

If I do the same in build 11515 the 5 input channels with appear without the output from VI Pro. "No input" will be selected. The channel set does not contain the any of the VSTs, only input channels and busses. But this works in the previous builds.

So far I have only rearranged on of the VEP instances on my template, but here one channel set; "default setup", contains 197 channels (input channels). If I delete all the input channels, and then load the "default setup" channel set, all channels reappears with the correct routing. That is until I tried loading the channel set in the latest build, now every input channel is set to "no input".

Comments?

 Oh, this is all within the same instance of VEP, I use the channel set almost as a "project save". So I can easily rearrange instruments within MIR, adjust volum/plugin settings between different projects, without loading the entire VEP session again. 

Hi!

There seems to be a bug with the new channel set feature in the latest VEP5 build. Input channels inside VEP5 is not properly saved. When you add a channel set, all input channels are set to "no input", regardless of what connection they had when you save the channel set.

Any chance for a quick fix? I did the clever move of saving the most recent template file in build 11548, and thus cannot load it in the previous build, so I would have to revert to an old version of my template, which I would prefer not having to do

Can anyone else confirm this? This is on a PC running Windows 7.

Thanks!

 Ok, maybe I misunderstood Fred. Using audio input channels in VEP to pick up the sound from VI Pro, Kontakt and such, actually works. Using Audio Input channels as a "holder" for the MIR plugin and other plugins that might require a change, and then saving the all the audio inputs as a group, and then using the channel set feature to save/load different configurations, will work as a workaround for what I'm asking. I still wish there was a more "automatic" way of doing this, as this approach requires you to select the group, delete all the selected channels, then load the a channel set which you have saved for a specific project.

But still it works!

Hi again! Sorry to be going on about this :)  I tried out the suggestion from FredB, unfortunatly this workaround turned out to be impractical. The reason for this is that when you assign an instrument output to a bus, it will lose it's settings when the bus is deleted. The idea was to let busses hold the MIR Pro plugin, then saving "Channel sets" for groups of busses, to be able to load different seating/volum/effect configurations within VE Pro. The problem is that you would manually have to reassign every single output of all the instruments to the busses, each time you load a new channel set, which is way to impractical.

It would be great to have some input from some of the developers here, is this something that can be done, either in existing or future versions of VEP/MIR?

I can't be the only one wanting a more flexible solution to this. For orchestral setups, this isn't a huge issue. But when using large templates with alot of other instruments, it is a real hassle not being able to quickly recall different instrument placements within MIR, or settings such as volume and panning.

My template is running on one computer, and is still expanding. It is now using about 60gb ram. I use 3 VE Pro instances: "Orchestra", "Studio Instruments" and "Synths". The "orchestra" instance is pretty much set, and doesn't often require me having to move around the instruments or change settings all the time. But in "Studio Instruments", I constantly have to reconfigure seatings/volum/panning within VEP/MIR, depending on what the current project/song requires.

Now I cannot find a good way to make this work when switching projects (which is one of the major advantages with VEP). Ofcourse I can save my Cubase project, and have VEP load "incoming project data", BUT, this requires the whole instance having to reload every instrument and every sample each time you switch project. And it goes without saying that this takes alot of time. In the "Synth" instance I can "load incoming project data" to reconfigure this instance, because it doesn't require VEP to reload 30 gb of samples, and thus it is almost no load time. Is there any way we can save/load channel/mir settings without having to reload all the samples? I have looked into the "channel set/preset" feature, but I can't figure out a good workaround using these.

So; Is there a some functionality to VEP I am missing, or does there exist some kind of clever workaround? If not - Is this something you could work on for future versions of VE Pro? As I see it, there is no practical way of achieving what I'm asking, every workaround requires either to much load time or to much hassle if you quickly have to change projects.

Thank you!

 Great! I'm glad it worked out!

 Hi!

You do not have to start a new project. When you reconfigure the output on 1 Kontakt instance, and restart the VE Pro server, it will be reconfigured for all Kontakt instances. I just did this on a template weighing in on about 60 gb. You may have to manually assign some outputs on some Kontakt instruments, but that shoudn't be to time consuming. Just save a new default output setup in Kontakt (VST), and reload your template. That should do it.

 Hi!

I think this is because of the added mono output support in VEP. When you load up a Kontakt instance in your sequencer (presuming you haven't changed Kontakts output config), Kontakt will be setup with about 4 stereo ouputs, while all the rest (about 50) will be mono channels

So what you have to do is go to the "output" tab in Kontakt and reconfigure your outputs. Click "add channels" and add the desired number of (stereo) channels, and you should probably check  "Delete existing channels...". Then restart your project, and Kontakt will be loaded with the correct number of stereo outputs, and the output in VEP should be correct.

-tom

 Hi Dietz!
What I am after is the kind of solution which Fred mentioned is possible through the use of busses.
I need to be able to save and recall the position of instruments placed within MIR, without reloading all samples contained in the specific VSTs.

Now what Fred is suggesting is creating one separate bus for each vst instrument, and placing the MIR Pro plugin on this pus, thus when using the "Channel Set" feature, I will be able to save/recall different MIR positinings/seatings, without having to reload the samples.

But just to be clear, is this the only way to achieve this?

Thank you!

 Ah, thank you! yeah that might work, on the expense of a ton of channels

My template is weighing in at about 55 gb at the moment, and I have reduced the amount of VEP instances to three, which results in a lot of channels pr instance. I will try this approach to see if my computer can handle the additional number of channels.

 Thanks for the tip!

Is there any technical reason for why this could not be implemented as a function for all channels? Like an option to load these settings when changing your sequencer project. Or just a manual save/load function for that matter.

Until a feature like this comes a long I cannot properly implement MIR into my workflow, it just takes to much time having to reload all samples just to recall some positioning and channel data.

 Hi!

Will it ever be possible to save/reload the positioning data of an instrument within MIR Pro (and channel settings within VEP5), without reloading all sample content contained within the VEP instance?

Thanks!

 It seems that the grouping feature is just a saved selection of channels. You still have to hold down "ALT" to move instruments together as a group.