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Posted on Wed, Oct 20 2004 18:10
by Rob Elliott
Joined on Sun, Feb 02 2003, Salt Lake City, UT, Posts 1654
Preachy or otherwise - this kind of thing is not discussed enough - not matter if you are making music, blue widgets, whatever - this is the way each of our businesses should be run.

Great story Fred (hey I just realized that was a fairly good pun Big Smile ). Thanks for sharing!




Rob
what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail?
Posted on Wed, Oct 20 2004 19:41
by Peter Roos
Joined on Tue, Jan 07 2003, The Netherlands, Posts 477
Thanks very much Fred, for this Story (sorry, couldn't resist)

I really appreciate you're sharing this with us. Big Smile

In the end it's all about people trying and needing to work together. A great place to transform inspiration into creation.

Thanks,

Peter R.
Peter Emanuel Roos
www.PeterRoos.com (music)
www.Samplicity.com (IR libs)
Posted on Wed, Oct 20 2004 23:00
by mathis
Joined on Sat, Feb 07 2004, Munich, Germany, Posts 1137
Fred Story wrote:
I also learned that it's important to spend most of your time asking questions, learning, being interested in how others work and how THEIR businesses operate.

That´s a very relevant one!

Thanks for this amazing thread, it´s great to read. As usual, I love your anecdotes, Fred. And Paul, great lecture about sales!
Posted on Thu, Oct 21 2004 10:53
by imusic
Joined on Mon, Nov 17 2003, Zürich, Los Angeles, Posts 34
Hi Fred,

I like your story! Good advices for our friends and best of all you use the right words!

Even you know a lot about you stuff and I am shure I know what you are talking-we all appreciate your insights and views-but be a little more political Cool , ...

take care, imusic

oh btw , there is no formula for that (thank god) learn your craft, learn to work with people and enjoy! either in LA or anywhere
Posted on Thu, Oct 21 2004 14:59
by Fred Story
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2003, Charlotte, North Carolina, USA, Posts 257
Thanks for those nice replies, gang. I feel pretty strongly about this stuff, so when I post about it I'm always concerned that it'll come off as some kind of sermon or something...which I NEVER want.

This remains one of the most cordial, professional forums I visit, and I learn a lot hanging around here. It's because everyone is so willing to share...especially the real world stuff.

Too bad we can't have a big VSL party. Can you imagine how much fun it would be if we ALL could get together in one room for an evening?

Fred Story
Posted on Thu, Oct 21 2004 17:24
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640
I'm not so sure about that - there might be fatalities if the Romanticists and Modernists got liquored up.
Posted on Thu, Oct 21 2004 17:26
by calaf5
Joined on Mon, Jan 19 2004, Posts 150
Thank you Fred (and others) for your advice and tips. There was much wisdom in them.

Time to go make contacts!

calaf
Posted on Thu, Oct 21 2004 18:10
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
And don't forget the idealists William. That's me and you! We would have to take it outside! And Herb would have to be the referree!

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Thu, Oct 21 2004 19:43
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370
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Posted on Thu, Oct 21 2004 23:17
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640
No, we'd begin discussing Herrmann and there would be no problem after that.
Posted on Fri, Oct 22 2004 01:09
by Fred Story
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2003, Charlotte, North Carolina, USA, Posts 257
And I'd be asking my favorite open questions (in open statement form)...

"Tell me about yourself..."

"Tell me about what you do..."
Posted on Fri, Oct 22 2004 12:15
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370
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Posted on Sat, Oct 23 2004 05:08
by Fred Story
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2003, Charlotte, North Carolina, USA, Posts 257
Sure I did. I am who I am.

And those folks at Abbey Road were just swell.
Posted on Sat, Oct 23 2004 15:47
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370
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Posted on Sat, Oct 23 2004 18:28
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
Fred,

E.V.A.N.

aka. E.ndless V.ersatility A.nd N.agging

LOL

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Sun, Oct 24 2004 00:45
by Fred Story
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2003, Charlotte, North Carolina, USA, Posts 257
PaulR wrote:

There's a picture on your website of you sitting in front of a keyboard Fred. Which keyboard is that please?


It's a StudioLogic SL 880.
Posted on Sun, Oct 24 2004 19:14
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370
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Posted on Mon, Oct 25 2004 02:16
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
Hey Fred,

Does the SL 880 have BC input?

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Mon, Oct 25 2004 13:04
by Fred Story
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2003, Charlotte, North Carolina, USA, Posts 257
evanevans wrote:
Hey Fred,

Does the SL 880 have BC input?

Evan Evans


Unfortunately, no. It's a pretty basic controller.
Posted on Thu, Nov 04 2004 03:05
by KubeImage
Joined on Thu, Nov 04 2004, Posts 39
Hey guys, I just thought the subject was interesting, and I just wanted to throw in my little story as to how I got started.

I live in Maryland/ Washington DC.. By no means an entertainment mecca. My first paid music project was in 95'. It was an interactive CD Rom for a small multimedia company. I was 19, and had already been sequencing my own stuff. At the time, I was very interested in breaking into the video game industry. I got in contact with this particular multimedia company by reading an artical in the news paper about five up and coming interactive media companies in the DC/metropolitan area.

So, what I basically did was cold call all of them. One of them needed origional music. I sent them a demo.. they liked it. The producer sent me a video reel to see how well I could score to it. They loved it, and I was hired as a freelance composer for that project.

I learned a lot. It was my first time negotiating a bid per minute deal. I had no clue of what to charge. But was lucky to have some help from a friend who'd dealt with this type of work. My friend gave me a range that was standard at the time, and told me to "charge what you think your music is worth." I was expected to score various genres of music. I had no gear.. Just a korg x3, no mixer, no computer, no smpte.. nothing. it was just a matter of determination, and creativity that I was able to pull it off. I loved the challenge.

After that experience I.. uh.. delivered pizza for awhile. Basically worked small jobs. Worked as a salesman at a music store etc. I actually ended up going to Berklee a few years later on a partial scholarship. Well, one day at home on summer break, for some reason I was just sitting in my room, in the dark.. brooding. I'm like, wtf.. why am I just sitting here? The girlfriend just dumped me too. it was a dark, dark time. Sad Btw.. At that time I was sending out demo cd's to vid game devs. Anyway, I was brainstorming a bit.. in the dark. It occurred to me that America's Most Wanted was located in DC. I'd known this for awhile but never acted on it. So, I cold called AMW. Asked to speak to someone in audio production. Got in touch, and essentially asked "do you take demo submissions"? He said yes. I sent in my demo tape (still using the Korg x3 at the time.. I used to work that thing to death). Didn't hear anything for a week and a half. Called back indignant, ready to chew him out, only to find out that he was sending me a contract, and it was in the mail. Smile

From there, my current gig (as a library composer) just grew out of contacts. I had a good relationship with the audio producer from AMW. He was leaving the show, and he gave me some numbers to few music libraries that he was using. I called them up.. got connected with the right publisher, sent in a demo cd. The timing was perfect. So far things are great. Which leads me to something.. It's very important to be versatile. I'm sure everyone already knows this. But.. you know, I just have to say it. It definitely increases your chances of getting work. Don't just limit yourself to being a specialist in one form. And if you are, make sure you have something in your style that sets you apart. There are just so many hungry composers out there. Anyway.. that's more or less how I got my gigs.
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