Yeah -Capiche Ned!

To me it's obviously all about rapid turnover. Maybe to pay for oncosts of the developement of a new library. At the end of the day, you're selling DVD's, right? The developement was ags ago.

The danger is - What message does this send out to developers about to launch a new library? Will customers just wait a couple years for another sale
and another? Let's say EWQL launch a new library for $5000 quite soon -how many people are going to wait for the first sale? What effect will that have on the cost of developement?
Also, what effect does this have on customers who have paid full whack for something in the first place? What will be their attitutde when they come to buy the next one?

Anyway, I fancy a new Porsche. Are there 79 of you out there that can help me out?

No? Well, I'm stunned.

Oh Absolutely agree Ned! Your original point was a good one. 20,000 copies in one month as opposed to say, 7,000, or whatever.

There's a danger though. A lot of the guys and gals aren't pros (whatever that means!?!) and those are probably big numbers.

Your other point about buying before a sale is valid. Yeah, done that many times on lots of things, not just musical equipment, which of course pisses you and me and everyone else off for various reasons. Tough balancing act for the developers.

Don't like doing that anymore though, and neither do you and everyone else. This issue with lots of people, buyers and sellers, may change their attitudes to timeframe. I may be wrong on this, but if not, library developers may be stuck with libs for longer than they thought they would.

Anyway, you're probably right Ned; my fear is, if there was any validity in my point, it could make new library developement slow rather more than one would be comfortable with.

One month only Ned? Until the next month!


I am probably being overly cautious again, as usual.

Paul

Another vote for Chamber Strings group buy. It's the only product in the Horizon range that is out of reach for the non-pros. Sure the Opus1 is more expensive but it is also more extensive (swell, huh? :lol and therefore the investment is easily justified for the people actually needing a full symphony orchestra with true legatos and such. It isn't as easy to pay almost the same for "just" a few strings. The other Horizon products are already somewhat affordable and the full VSL orchestra is certainly too expensive for a group buy. Also the people interested in buying a full orchestra might have already done so in the EWQLSO Gold group buy. Besides I already have the Opus1 and bought it for the abovementioned reasons.

I'm beginning to wonder if it might be rather difficult for VSL to start a Group Buy ... because unlike EWQL they don't distribute / sell their own product directly (correct me if I'm wrong).

so ...

1) they would either have to establish their own sales / order taking infrastructure. (And if they did this their delaers might not be too pleased.)

or

2) get their dealers / distributors to run the Group Buys for them. This could get difficult because they have so many ... which one would run the scheme? They couldn't all run separate schemes else the numbers would get diluted.


hope I'm wrong.

[those doubts aside, my vote would be for Epic Horns}

Oh. I hadn't read Drew's post, which says the same thing.

What a pity that I'm not a private person on this forum ... I feel a STRONG urge to give a _really_ nice, sarcastic comment (... one of those I got dreaded for ).

(GGRLLMMMMPFFFF - see, I could behave myself)

/Dietz

I don't think people will start expecting to get 60% off. This is a time limited deal very obviously designed to attract more people to a company's product line. The thinking is that once you've got a taste of that product line, you'll want to upgrade (within that product line) as your needs grow. I have a feeling this will pay off for EWQL. And my feeling is, it would pay off even more for VSL, as they have a wider range of products.

Excellent point. I didn't realize VSL was widely available at retail. I thought it was just a few distributors (such as ILIO here in the US). This could indeed be a major stumbling block.

Oh, I do too. But so far, developers who have participated in the various group buys seem to be rather pleased with the results.

RIght, Dietz, say a comment. I was persuaded to buy EWQLSO Gold by this group buy, even though that package was not at all tops in my hoped-for purchases. But the savings are now considerable, and it made me buy one thing rather than another (something from VSL, for instance ...)

there was the 50% Student Discount on the first edition.
Was it a problem for the distributors ? I don't think so.
It could be nice to have 50% off on the Chamber String with a Group Sale, that would make us some eternal students.

My opinion is fact, not opinion, Gugliel. Mark my words.

As you can see, people are already clamoring for group buys for other products. How can VSL do what they do for 40% of what they're charging?

Answer: by selling 2-1/2 times as much (or more, because of the increased costs - support, etc.). So why not just lower the price to start with (psychology aside)?

Answer: because they can't afford to do what they do for 40% of what they're charging.

Result: no more VSL.

EWQLSO is an excellent library, and just adding a little bit of something with that hall - timpani boom boom, for example - can also make VSL sound better. You got a great deal. But you can't produce libraries with the detail of VSL's and sell the whole orchestra for $400. It takes way too much time.