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Posted on Thu, Nov 15 2007 18:07
by Jerome
Joined on Mon, Jul 10 2006, Los Angeles, CA, Posts 298
Dear VSL team :)

any idea when we will get VE Mac 64-bit? Can you give us a tentative timeframe?

Thanks,
Jerome
Posted on Thu, Nov 15 2007 19:02
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828


They've shelved it ;-)

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, Nov 15 2007 21:44
by Jerome
Joined on Mon, Jul 10 2006, Los Angeles, CA, Posts 298
What does that mean? And whatever it means, is it official?

Thanks,
J.
Posted on Fri, Nov 16 2007 01:13
by stevesong
Joined on Mon, Oct 18 2004, NYC, Posts 714
On what basis, SVK, do you surmise that the VSL team has "shelved" the idea of providing a 64 bit version of VE for OS 10.5.x?
Stephen Siegel
New York City

MacPro (4.1) dual-quad Xeon @ 2.9.3 Ghz
24GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
2 960 GB OWC E2 Mercury Accelsior SSDs one dedicated to samples and the other partitioned into a partition for samples and a part ion for apps and files.
MOTU 2408 MK III (PCIe)

MacBook Pro with 2.5Ghz Core 2 Duo
4GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
MOTU 828
Firmtek/Seritek 2SM2-E Express Card SATA adapter.

Logic 9.1.6.; Finale 2011
Posted on Fri, Nov 16 2007 02:59
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9113

i'd say *shelved* expresses *put on a shelve but not ready to grab it* ...

you might be interested to read this announcement which affects the development

christian

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Fri, Nov 16 2007 13:41
by stevesong
Joined on Mon, Oct 18 2004, NYC, Posts 714

 Christian:

So this means that release of a 64 bit version of VE is at least several months away? Reading the article you refer to I have some understanding of why this might be so and realize that it is a result of Apple's decision and not your fault or that of any other developer. However, I do hope that you do plan to release eventually a 64 bit Mac OS compatible version of VE...

Thnaks for the info,

Stephen 

Stephen Siegel
New York City

MacPro (4.1) dual-quad Xeon @ 2.9.3 Ghz
24GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
2 960 GB OWC E2 Mercury Accelsior SSDs one dedicated to samples and the other partitioned into a partition for samples and a part ion for apps and files.
MOTU 2408 MK III (PCIe)

MacBook Pro with 2.5Ghz Core 2 Duo
4GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
MOTU 828
Firmtek/Seritek 2SM2-E Express Card SATA adapter.

Logic 9.1.6.; Finale 2011
Posted on Fri, Nov 16 2007 14:40
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9113

well, the article is from june, but i couldn't find any updates so far ...

not that biggie for mac users, since OS X can already access more than 4 GB RAM

also i'm wondering about the status of *true* 64bit audio drivers, which i have to admit i haven't researched during the past months ...

 

besides that: isn't eg. logic also still 32bit? so who knows if this would even work from top to bottom at the current state

christian

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Fri, Nov 16 2007 16:30
by stevesong
Joined on Mon, Oct 18 2004, NYC, Posts 714

 The version of EXS 24 that accompanies Logic 8 is supposedly (I haven't tested this) 64 bit - - and able to load a virtually unlimited number of samples under OS 10.5. So it seems possible that a 64 bit version of VE could work inside Logic 8. As soon as Leopard compatible MOTU drivers become available I will install Leopard (on a clone of my main startup drive) and try this out. 

If one uses multiple instances of the standalone version of VE one can load about 2.5GB in each instance and thus exceed the limits imposed by 32 bit software. However this means that one has to have a reliable way of routing the audio outputs back into the sequencer. One could do this by having multiple audio interfaces on one computer - - a rather expensive solution. However, there are some audio interfaces and their attendant software (e.g RME's FireFace 400 and FireFace 800) that apparently have a loopback capability - - so that one ca route any output to any input in software. Most audio interfaces and software do not seem to have this capability, so that one must use Soundflower or Jack OSX - - which may or may not work reliably.

Another stopgap for Mac users would be to run Windows XP Pro 64 using Bootcamp and use the Windows compatible 64 bit version of VE, but unless one were to also invest in a 64 bit Windows compatible sequencer (and invest the time in learning it) one would have to dedicate the machine to sample playback and use a sequencer on another machine.  However it does seem a shame to use such workarounds when, probably early next year, new 8 processor core (Penryn) Macs (with 32-64GB RAM capacities) will become available.So I truly hope that VSL will continue development of a 64 bit version of VE compatible with Mac OS 10.5.

Stephen

Dual 2.5 GHz G5

7GB RAM

MOTU 2408 mk.3

OS 10.4.11 

Stephen Siegel
New York City

MacPro (4.1) dual-quad Xeon @ 2.9.3 Ghz
24GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
2 960 GB OWC E2 Mercury Accelsior SSDs one dedicated to samples and the other partitioned into a partition for samples and a part ion for apps and files.
MOTU 2408 MK III (PCIe)

MacBook Pro with 2.5Ghz Core 2 Duo
4GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
MOTU 828
Firmtek/Seritek 2SM2-E Express Card SATA adapter.

Logic 9.1.6.; Finale 2011
Posted on Fri, Nov 16 2007 17:06
by Jerome
Joined on Mon, Jul 10 2006, Los Angeles, CA, Posts 298
"not that biggie for mac users, since OS X can already access more than 4 GB RAM".
If I have a Mac Pro with 16GB of RAM, can I load Vienna Ensemble as a Stand Alone and access those 16 GB?

"besides that: isn't eg. logic also still 32bit? so who knows if this would even work from top to bottom at the current state"
So what? If you have a 64-bit stand alone version, I won't care if Logic or any other sequencer are still 32-bit...


Jerome
Posted on Fri, Nov 16 2007 18:52
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828

Guys...it's a joke ;-)

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Sat, Nov 17 2007 13:21
by mpower88
Joined on Thu, Aug 12 2004, Posts 727
CM. I did some reading on the apple forums when leopard was released: I believe parts of Logic 8 are scalable to 64bit - in other words yes it is possible to have an instrument running within Logic that is a 64bit app - on the surface, it should be possible to make VI 64bit within Logic 8 evidenced by the fact that EXS 24 is 64bit yet runs within logic which is / kind of 32 bit...

Miklos.
XI Machines 2687W, 64Gb Ram, Win 7 SP1.
Angelbird SSD's. VIPro, VEPro/MIR,
Full Vienna Collection.
Steinberg UR22mkII USB
Posted on Sat, Nov 17 2007 17:40
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9113

well, everything will be proven once the prerequisites arrive. and to anticipate any objections why not using Xcode: it would be hard to compile windows versions with it ;-)

christian

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sat, Nov 17 2007 17:56
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828

Guys....

You are all assuming that this QT hick-up is stalling the VI64 bit release.......

Vienna is this true?

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Sat, Nov 17 2007 19:09
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9113

no need to assume - it is true.

on the WWDC 2006 64 Bit Carbon has been promised and confirmed, but one year later buried silently - so developers who need to write in C++ are lost because in fact they can't use Cocoa.

 

i noticed some comments mentioning *logic works internally 64bit* but on several places i also read that EXS crashes logic if one tries to load more than 4 GB samples, so either it is not 64 bit or other voices are right which point out that plugins can only use more than 4 Gb if they _don't_ use the standard AU implementation ... looks like another hick-up on the horizon ...

 

but don't let us discuss further about unlayed eggs - fortunately mac user _can_ access more than 4 GB and the development continues ....

christian

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sat, Nov 17 2007 19:56
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828

cm,

Do you work for vienna?


SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Sat, Nov 17 2007 19:58
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828


Dietz,

Is 64bit OSX VI ensemble stalled due to Apple problems concerning QuickTime?

thanx,

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Sat, Nov 17 2007 20:26
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9113

SvK - hasn't this question been asked already? anyway, here is the answer ...

svonkampen wrote:
Dietz, Is 64bit OSX VI ensemble stalled due to Apple problems concerning QuickTime? thanx, SvK

confused now ... where is any context between QuickTime and VE - and why should Dietz know?

christian

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sat, Nov 17 2007 21:01
by imusic
Joined on Mon, Nov 17 2003, Zürich, Los Angeles, Posts 34
does that mean you are still developing in Carbon ?

Is there no possibility to have 64bit addressed in the near future?

best, imusic
Posted on Sat, Nov 17 2007 21:32
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9113

sigh ... development happens basically in C++ and needs to be cross-platform.

since Cocoa is more a framework than a system API one would need to adapt everything according to the rules of such a framework.

in case you can limit yourself to objectiveC (and possibly a few lines of C++ code to be inserted) Cocoa would be great assumably.

in case you have an existing codebase and need to be cross platform i think every developer will confirm its not the first choice.

clearly a little company like VSL cannot maintain an application in for at least 8  tastes (XP, VISTA, 32 + 64 bit, PPC, intel 10.4 10,5, 32 and 64 bit) using 2 different IDEs (Integrated Development Environments)

christian

 

ps: i'd recommend to subscribe the newsletter, so you would be among the first to get infomed about availibility of a *true* 64bit version ;-)

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sun, Nov 18 2007 21:40
by Jerome
Joined on Mon, Jul 10 2006, Los Angeles, CA, Posts 298
cm, you haven't replied to my earlier question... ie, if I have a Mac Pro with 16GB of memory, can I load about 15GB of samples in VE under OS X?
If so, then yes - who cares about a 64 bit version.


Jerome
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