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We need epic bones!
While the Fanfare trumpets, and Epic Horns have improved your brass vastly the bones (and in part the tuba) are now the weakest link. Some dark brass with more *oomf* and power would be much appretiated. Also some tight, short notes would also be very nice.
Oh - and a side question. Are you planning on doing an american style solo French Horn?
I'm with Christian on this. Love the trumpets and Horns.
It's so unfortunate that I feel that I often have to substitute, add to or replace the VSL trombones in most pieces.
VSL is so very, very good in every other category.
Epic Trombones gets my vote for an upcoming library.
However once again, I tip my hat to the good people at VSL for VE Pro! What a difference that will make to the entire industry.
Christian hit it RIGHT ON THE HEAD. IMHO - The glaring weakness of VSL currently is
1. Epic style bones
2. Warm, lyrical American solo french horn
For both of these areas I use a competing library (s). I am confident if VSL produced these - they would set the new standard.
--In the works VSL?
Rob
(I'm sure it is at least in the planning stages - as you see your sales numbers of Epic Horns and Fanfare trumpets[:D] - would seem like a wise business investment to produce both these new libraries.)
Hey Rob! Don't sound so suprised... I'm always spot on [:P]
And yup... the French horn is also sorely needing an update.
hehe... Guy - participate becuase Rob and me are cool guys, or because you agree that these things would be nice? [;)]
More than most other instruments, the trombone identifies itself by the development of its tone over time.
I wonder if VSL might want to take a new look at the way it both records and edits this developing tone?
Some other libraries use modwheel to bring in the brassy edge from the smoother attacks. They are usually uneven and 'phasey'. Perhaps VSL can develop some other method that works better. Also the bright, edgey short attacks will be important.
More than most other instruments, the trombone identifies itself by the development of its tone over time.
I wonder if VSL might want to take a new look at the way it both records and edits this developing tone?
Some other libraries use modwheel to bring in the brassy edge from the smoother attacks. They are usually uneven and 'phasey'. Perhaps VSL can develop some other method that works better. Also the bright, edgey short attacks will be important.
How does this relate to my missing cat?[*-)]
Exactly... I mentioned the Tuba as well. I don't think Epic Tuba alone would sell... but as part of a Epic Dark Brass release it would be great
More than most other instruments, the trombone identifies itself by the development of its tone over time.
I wonder if VSL might want to take a new look at the way it both records and edits this developing tone?
Some other libraries use modwheel to bring in the brassy edge from the smoother attacks. They are usually uneven and 'phasey'. Perhaps VSL can develop some other method that works better. Also the bright, edgey short attacks will be important.
I think that what you are asking for is the next stage of sample modelling. Certainly I would like to be able to control a Woodwind or Brass instrument using BC in a much more effective way. However, it even shows on the staccato samples. An easy test is to write a succession of staccato notes with gradually increasing velocity. You can really hear the velocity layer changes. However, if you introduce a modicum of filter to the lower end of a new velocity layer and then increase it as the sample gets louder, you can get a much more seamless join. However, this is very time consuming and counter intuitive, when it comes to performing with samples. Once these things can be automatic, then I, for one, can spend more time making music, and less with the pencil tool...!
DG
More than most other instruments, the trombone identifies itself by the development of its tone over time.
I wonder if VSL might want to take a new look at the way it both records and edits this developing tone?
Some other libraries use modwheel to bring in the brassy edge from the smoother attacks. They are usually uneven and 'phasey'. Perhaps VSL can develop some other method that works better. Also the bright, edgey short attacks will be important.
How does this relate to my missing cat?
i assume your cat was attacked with a bright, sharp brass edge.
+1 for the epic low brass concept, recorded both "dark" and "buzzy" (and the ability to control this) would be great! It was attempted with the "filter" patches in EXS which worked OK, but I'm sure you guys could do much better today.
BTW, What other libs are people currently using to get by?
Hi JT3_Jon,
Trombones are hard to do right even with several choices at hand (at least for me). I admit to approaching them in my pieces with some trepidation. Sometimes I even tend to avoid using them because I feel they will come up short of the goal.
I use a bit of SAM, Sonivox and EW cobbled together with some VSL. It still isn't totally satisfying to me. I'll bet I'm not alone in this. Some of these other libraries also have some pretty good overall low brass - Tuba, Wagner Tuba, etc. Oh yeah, some of these other libraries do have some really ugly brass patches in their collections. They are not a 'go to' answer at all for trombones.
I would think there is a definite opening in the market if VSL would want to move in this direction.
Personally, I don't enjoy spending a whole bunch of time trying to take components from several libraries and pasting them together. If VSL can dig down deep and find the conception and technology to make this work it would be great. I'd love to simplify my brass template.
VSL has exceeded my expectation before (& certainly with the upcoming VE Pro). Perhaps they can do it again.
