Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Forum Jump  
SIBELIUS 7
Last post Thu, Sep 01 2011 by Fiery Angel, 66 replies.
Options
Go to last post
4 Pages<1234>
Posted on Wed, Aug 03 2011 23:59
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Utah, Posts 497
Errikos wrote:
For the record I actually said that most people

I saw but forgot to mention it in my post. I do realize that many use notation.

As a compositional tool, notation has suffered in this area... at least in relationship to using VSL or other complex sample libraries. Now that I've got this in my head, I don't think I'll be happy until it happens. Give me a VE Daw and a Divisi Library and I'll never leave my computer again! lol

-Sean

Studio One 3.5 | VIP 2.3.0.15962 | VEP 6.0.16502 | RME HDSPe AIO | scoredfilms.com
Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2011 00:02
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Utah, Posts 497
bogdan wrote:
Knowing the quality of this company, I would even pay in advance for such a feature, and I 'm  talking seriously here.

Same here. I'm poor right now but I'd sell half the crap I own to pay in advance for it. I'd practically give up my right arm for it... lol

-Sean

Studio One 3.5 | VIP 2.3.0.15962 | VEP 6.0.16502 | RME HDSPe AIO | scoredfilms.com
Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2011 00:21
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1025

Here is the original suggestion all this time ago, thankfully now it is amassing more interest...

http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/p/28179/183579.aspx#183579

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2011 00:46
by bogdan
Joined on Fri, Apr 18 2008, Edmonton, Posts 263

[ I'd sell half the crap I own to pay in advance for it]

Honestly, here you're so damn right ..we have so much crap to sell ....

Nobody I think is milionare but a small effort from all users can make sense for the things to get startet.

Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2011 00:55
by Tralen
Joined on Sat, May 08 2010, Brasil, Posts 52
Errikos wrote:

For the record I actually said that most people do use traditional and sophisticated notation software, especially at the high and mid-high end of the industry - as well as some of us at the other end of the spectrumSad

Oh, I stand corrected! I've read your post again, for some reason I thought you said the opposite.

Well, if this is a valid encouragement, I would also buy VSL notation software, even in advance! Actually, this software could even cause me to drop my other libraries and migrate for VSL entirely.

Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2011 01:43
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Utah, Posts 497
Tralen wrote:
Actually, this software could even cause me to drop my other libraries and migrate for VSL entirely.

After what we've been currently saying, and after reading this... I think we can all safely say that we are in agreement on this point. We want it, and bad- bad enough that we may call it one of the most essential tools we could want.

'And VSL saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.' lol, that's about how I'd react to this software. I'd start trying to push VSL on those I know like a religion. And just like the Internet, it would reach a point where I'd ask "How did I even live my life before this happened?" lol (I ask this now, owning VSL and looking back at the sounds I once used...cringe....ugh!)

-Sean

Studio One 3.5 | VIP 2.3.0.15962 | VEP 6.0.16502 | RME HDSPe AIO | scoredfilms.com
Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2011 02:46
by bogdan
Joined on Fri, Apr 18 2008, Edmonton, Posts 263

I think for the sake of our discussion and who knows maybe we can get some results from it, a new thread must be created to encourage people to sign in for this program to be started( maybe I'm dreaming with eyes wide open:)). Talking from this Sibelius 7 perspective some of the users maybe are not tempted ..at least Notion users or Finale ..or maybe they are.. I don't know..but a fresh thread and one that clearly asking for vsl notation maybe gets more attention.

  At least people from VSL will laugh or they 're gona take us seriously !!;)) 

Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2011 06:02
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Utah, Posts 497
bogdan wrote:

I think for the sake of our discussion and who knows maybe we can get some results from it, a new thread must be created to encourage people to sign in for this program to be started... a fresh thread and one that clearly asking for vsl notation maybe gets more attention.

  At least people from VSL will laugh or they 're gona take us seriously !!;)) 

Well, even if not to 'rally support', lol - I figure we can at least get more ideas or feature requests that in the end might help us. Ideally I would love the notation bit being the main focus... but with any feature request, it's easy to veer off-topic... SO, I created a new thread for this and made it as all-inclusive to a VSL DAW idea as possible. I also brought up the points we posted here for reference (and another divisi one I really like).

I posted "VSL DAW anyone?" under the Vienna Ensemble forum as I felt it would get more feedback there (more users), despite it really being approprate in both forums.

Hopefully if we continue this there and get more users something great can come of this. If I think of any other daw features I would like specifically useful for VSL, I'll add them as well. I think this way we can 1) make it more likely to happen but 2) make this big 'feature request' as applicable to all users (also making it more likely to happen).

-Sean

P.S. I hope no one minds me taking the liberty to post this. I wanted to happen just as much, so I just did it. Wink

Studio One 3.5 | VIP 2.3.0.15962 | VEP 6.0.16502 | RME HDSPe AIO | scoredfilms.com
Posted on Tue, Aug 16 2011 13:15
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1025

Remember also that it took them 2 whole years to release this new version, what the heck took so long to program? The Microsoft toolbar? Was it the recording of that great Sibelius orchestra?.. I mean we're stuck with this for another 2 years probably!.. Have you thought of that? Although I have always stayed away from Finale, I hope they revolutionize the industry with their next release - it's their chance to break the stale-mate now.

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Tue, Aug 16 2011 13:30
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Utah, Posts 497
Errikos wrote:
what the heck took so long to program? The Microsoft toolbar?

Agreed! And I'm someone who welcomes this change. I simply realize, with how MS developed the ribbon, that the interface is already built for them for the most part. Most 'programming' is already done for them. This in every respect was a rip off upgrade, with only one exception to me, 64 bit.

Hopeully with Sibelius 8 they get their act together. I'm not a Finale fan personally.

-Sean

Studio One 3.5 | VIP 2.3.0.15962 | VEP 6.0.16502 | RME HDSPe AIO | scoredfilms.com
Posted on Tue, Aug 16 2011 14:20
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1025
iscorefilm wrote:

Hopeully with Sibelius 8 they get their act together. I'm not a Finale fan personally.

-Sean

Me neither but audio feedback is so important to me that if Finale moves seriously ahead in that department I'll be switching despite the learning curve. Sibelius 8 will probably take as long as it took the real Sibelius Wink

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Tue, Aug 16 2011 17:12
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Utah, Posts 497

For me, I feel there is little learning curve... but I guess it's only because the ribbon 'jives' with me more. BUT, I agree... if AVID doesn't get things right and Finale did (or anyone else), with as much notation ability as those two have... any learning curve would be worth it.

-Sean

Studio One 3.5 | VIP 2.3.0.15962 | VEP 6.0.16502 | RME HDSPe AIO | scoredfilms.com
Posted on Sat, Aug 20 2011 17:34
by pianoguy
Joined on Thu, Feb 28 2008, Colorado Springs, Colorado, Posts 56

Does anybody have feedback on how is Sibelius 7 working with VSL libraries? I ordered the upgrade (which hasn't arrived yet) because it's 64-bit. While Sibelius worked pretty well with the smaller SE, I found VSL + Sibelius increasingly unreliable as I moved to the full libraries. IMO, being able to load more comprehensive sample sets would make this upgrade very useful even absent any other improvements.

(Yes, better still would be a notation program that only loaded the samples you needed ...)

2013 Mac Pro, 3.5 GHz 6-Core / 64GB RAM / OS 10.14
/ DP 9.5 / Logic X / Sibelius Ultimate / Dorico / Cube plus many other VSL libraries & software package / NI Komplete 10 Ultimate / Samplemodeling/Audio Modeling Saxophones, Brass, and Viola / Orange Tree Acoustic Guitars, Mandolin, and Slide Guitars / Bolder Sounds Fiddle and Bluegrass Banjo / Chris Hein Violin / Psound Vintage Accordion / Soundiron Voices of Rapture / etc.
Posted on Sat, Aug 20 2011 18:56
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Utah, Posts 497

It works no differently in playback or design. The only single difference is the location of the folder in appdata in windows. Someone just answered that in another thread, but I can't remember.

And yes, I'd love a fully implemented notation program.

-Sean

Studio One 3.5 | VIP 2.3.0.15962 | VEP 6.0.16502 | RME HDSPe AIO | scoredfilms.com
Posted on Mon, Aug 29 2011 08:36
by Erik
Joined on Sat, Nov 20 2004, The Netherlands, Posts 144

Hi,

Speaking
of notation software in relationship to the VSL libraries, I notice
that one specific program has been not introduced here: I am talking about Overture (4.1.5), made by Geniesoft.

In
Windows XP, 32 bit, it serves like a VST host as well as notation
software. Loading VI or VE into the VST rack is just a breeze. Apart
from its capabilities as notation package it offers also precise and
easy MIDI editing per track. Tempo adjustments can be made easily,
there is also some tempo tapping issue, which works better than the odd Sibelius implementation.

Users
can make their own 'expression' file, a very easy way to set up
whatever keyswitch or CC controller (even combined!!) related to
whatever articulation. This means for example that you can point an
expression as 'a2' to a non divisi patch and 'solo' to a divisi
patch. Simple as that and....much easier than the sound editor of Sibelius.

The GUI
looks a little old fashioned maybe, but offers a very
intuitive way of handling things. There isn't hardly any learning curve (like in Finale, Sibelius and also Notion).

So, for
a combination of notation and MIDI editing this a really a fine piece
of software IMHO. It doesn't have that glossy GUI of Sibelius, the
prints are not so sublime also, but it feels a bit like heaven after years of frustration being able with only the TAB key to switch between scoring and MIDI-editing (there is also a nice piano roll window).

If I
need a beautiful score I still use the Sibelius (I quitted Encore and
Finale years ago already), or idem when I make a quick arrangement
for one my ensembles for example. For very elaborated MIDI editing
only, possibly combined with audio material I use a DAW like Cubase 6
(with its groundbreaking Expression Map 2, which surpasses version 1
in all respects). Sonar has neglected its MIDI users for years now, so it won't help you much further.

To be
honest: working in Windows 7 (64 bit), there is some 'funny' issue to
be mentioned using Overture (still 32 bit): it doesn't show any audio device and hence it refuses to select a VST folder.

So,
actually this gives a new situation in which you can use your DAW or
VST host (as Cantabile) directly with Overture, of course with a correct virtual midi in and out cabling.

There
are rumours that a Overture 5 version will presented, in which this
issue will be resolved maybe. Don't count on it however and just use the setup as described.

Shortly:
readers of this post: why not give this a try? As long as Sibelius (and again also in this rather disappointing version 7),
Finale and Notion don't offer a easy, decent and extended way of handling
MIDI editing, it doesn't make sense to wait for another decennium.
Admitted, there may be some issues that could make you return back to
what you use now (just visit the forum on the Overture site and see what is going on there).Of course, also Overture isn't perfect, but the first perfect piece of music software has to be written yet, isn't it?

Personally,
I think that VSL isn't going to produce any notation software in the
(next) future. I would prefer actually, that the core activities
remain focussed on sampling, sampler and sound. There is still some
room for improvement*. So I am eagerly waiting for VI PRO 2 and MIR
PRO by the way.Please note: I am not against the idea of a special new notation program of course in which VSL products will shine.

I hope
that this post will inspire people to look further than what is
well-known. Maybe superfluously, I don't have any relationship with whatever software producing company.

Best,
Erik

* It is
not the right place for this topic, but here is my feature request in VI PRO2: randomizing EQ possibilities per cell (just as in real life). How about that?

Posted on Mon, Aug 29 2011 13:15
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Utah, Posts 497

Erik,

I installed a demo not too long ago and found nothing but problems. I found it's workflow and yes, it's gui, not to my liking. It has some good concepts, good ideas, etc. but it doesn't seem well built to me (at least, not enough to be a real player against the others).

I just found some posts on the Notion boards, from a moderator, saying that Notion hasn't been abandoned at all, but that they slowed development while they crank out an ipad app- that they would return to it afterward. With the release of a recent update 3.2, I am hoping that we'll see a Notion4 coming sometime. This could address what some of us have been concerned about. Just a thought anyway...

-Sean

Studio One 3.5 | VIP 2.3.0.15962 | VEP 6.0.16502 | RME HDSPe AIO | scoredfilms.com
Posted on Tue, Aug 30 2011 12:27
by Erik
Joined on Sat, Nov 20 2004, The Netherlands, Posts 144

Hi Sean,

Sorry to hear about those problems. Maybe is the demo version not always up to date, I don't know. I only had some stability issues sometimes in the XP (32bit) surrounding.

However, maybe Notion 4 will be of some importance: Notion 3 has many fine features, but it will be a long way towards what is at stake here, in my opinion.

Erik

Posted on Thu, Sep 01 2011 07:41
by Jgcomposer
Joined on Wed, Apr 11 2007, Posts 9

 Well I tried Sibelius 7, and well, theres some things I did like, but the sound was just the same as Sibelius 6 and I was not too thrilled. I guess if you compose music for games it is useful, but I try to compose for a real orchestra. I went back to Notion 3 using VSL for now. Hopefully when Notion 4 is released it will be more intuitive and have a great interface.  I am not soo pleased with Sibelius 7, I feel like it was a bit watered down with added features.

Posted on Thu, Sep 01 2011 08:04
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
Jgcomposer wrote:

 Well I tried Sibelius 7, and well, theres some things I did like, but the sound was just the same as Sibelius 6 and I was not too thrilled. I guess if you compose music for games it is useful, but I try to compose for a real orchestra. I went back to Notion 3 using VSL for now. Hopefully when Notion 4 is released it will be more intuitive and have a great interface.  I am not soo pleased with Sibelius 7, I feel like it was a bit watered down with added features.

 

How can something be watered down, if it has added features? That just makes no sense.

DG

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card
Posted on Thu, Sep 01 2011 15:57
by Jgcomposer
Joined on Wed, Apr 11 2007, Posts 9

 There is really nothing about it that made no sense DG. I'm basically saying that Sibelius 7 had some new features that seemed water down to me. If you still don't get it don't bother making an arguement. Nothing really to dwell upon when I am just making my own assumption about the software.

4 Pages<1234>
You cannot post new threads in this forum.
You cannot reply to threads in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.