Just for Understanding:
I want to mix an existing orchestral piece with 30 VI´s using Cubase 5.5 and MIR.
DO I need the Vienna Ensemble (4 or 5) for that or is it enough to connect MIR and
Cubase together with Internal Midi Channels and internal Loop Back. (Like: Cubase->MIR->Cubase)
I run the MIR Pro and Cubase 5.5 on the same PC(xeon x5680 3,3 GHZ,24gbRam,ati 6850) connecting to a RME Fireface 400.
Sorry to ask such an elementary question but after reading so much manuals
iám not sure anymore ;-D
Everything works fine in Standalone (MIR,Ensemble,VI PRO) and afterall its amazing.
But the MIDI-Routing is very tough and I wasn´t able to connect Cubase with MIR . I found informations about that
topic on page 78-81 in the mir manual but everything i tried results in frustation.
Maybe some User with a RME Fireface can help me and describe the MIDI-Routing in detail.
Thanks
(x5680,24gb RAM,Cubase 5.5, Fireface 400
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Mixing with MIR Vienna MIR Cubase 5 and
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@Felle said:
[...] I found informations about that topic on page 78-81 in the mir manual [...]Hi Felle,
MIR Pro's preliminary manual has "only" 58 pages right now, so I suspect that you inadvertently downloaded legacy Vienna MIR's manual.
Please get MIR Pro's manual from here: -> http://dl.vsl.co.at/downloader.aspx?ID=7628
... and this is an addendum to this preliminary manual that covers some background info, too: -> http://dl.vsl.co.at/downloader.aspx?ID=7629
In Cubase, routing MIDI to MIR Pro is as easy and straight-forward as it is with any other VSTi. Just open VE Pro Server, connect to it, and you will see as many virtula MIDI port you have chosen to use in VE Pro's Preferences.
HTH,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
I just got Pro2 and VEP5 and love them but havent purchased MIR yet so I need to know fasted & best ways to use. Maybe I am doing this incorrectly so I am currently wondering how many extra steps it will take me to do Mixes. I run all available VSTi (not 32bit instrument which I still run in cubase) in VEP5. I currently output VEP channels to cubase for automation and to use my 32bit UAD plugs which I love. If I want to use MIR on audio tracks I must take extra step to route those into VEP5 to get that to work with MIR. Also need to assign parameters for midi automation so I can mix now in VEP? If this were availble as VST - I could run on one DAW mixer use with all my plugs in one place and not have to jump around to work.
I also have been unable to figure out how to get 2nd computer to use Mir, I know it is possible but would be far easier if I could route stereo mixs back to Host DAW and just call up MIR as VST. (I am running Win 7 and two computers). I don't know if I have hit all points but these are items I would like to get straight for myself
Please tell me what I am doing wrong, I really love the sound of this stuff (MIR) but money is tight and I am about to complete buying the extended libraries for VI Cube. its difficult to buy software that makes mixing/routing harder for me.
Thanks for your help
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Yes, if you want to use your tracks in MIR you will need to use the audio input plugs. However, you may find that some of the processing you are doing with your UAD cards will be unnecessary when you are using MIR. The other thing to remember is that MIR isn't a reverb. You can't just route stereo stems into it as you would a reverb plug. That is not what it is designed for. Therefore you will need to think carefully about workflow in order to find that best way to do things.
I would have thought that one good way would be to send each instrument that you want to route into MIR back to Cubase from your slaves via their own outputs, which will show up in the VSTi output section in your mixer. Then I would put an audio input plug on each of these and route these into a local instance of MIR Pro, obviously hosted in VE Pro. This is slightly convoluted, but you can set up a Preset to call up for future projects.
I would also recommend trying the demo version out before buying, just to make sure that the workflow is acceptable to you.
DG
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Thanks, for the great reply. I am trying demo out currently and trying to make quick decisions might need to slow down but need to take advantage of holiday special deals.
This would probably be a no brainer for me if like VEP5 there were multiple license available for my Host and Slave.
I currently do run Comp2 into Comp1 mixer but/ I am unclear as to how I would route the separate outputs from Computer 2 into VEP5/MIR. An example of current setup where I am trying MIR =
- Comp 1: (host): VEP5, Mir, Drms Vln, Celo,
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- Comp 2: Hrn Sec, Bone, Mute Trp, Trp, Clarinet etc. I am sending each output off comp2 to mixer on Cubase running UAD Neve plugs etc and sending all to Group channels that uses UAD Studer.
How would I get those COMP1 input channels in DAW into VEP5 to run through MIR. I guess my goal is to set up entire band or orch on same stage. Hope all that is understandable :)
I know I don't have a grasp on its power yet or the proper way to set up. I do understand your explanations as to rethinking my work flow...and will hopefully do flow charts to make it happen when I get down time
This is a great reason to love VI plugs because even though I like my Play edition stuff, there is no where to get great support like this (and the sounds kill)
- Comp 1: (host): VEP5, Mir, Drms Vln, Celo,
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@kzarider said:
I currently do run Comp2 into Comp1 mixer but/ I am unclear as to how I would route the separate outputs from Computer 2 into VEP5/MIR. An example of current setup where I am trying MIR =
- Comp 1: (host): VEP5, Mir, Drms Vln, Celo, Bass, Trillian, Vienna Imperial -
- Comp 2: Hrn Sec, Bone, Mute Trp, Trp, Clarinet etc. I am sending each output off comp2 to mixer on Cubase running UAD Neve plugs etc and sending all to Group channels that uses UAD Studer.
How would I get those COMP1 input channels in DAW into VEP5 to run through MIR. I guess my goal is to set up entire band or orch on same stage. Hope all that is understandable 😊
- As long as each of your returns for the slave comes back as it's own VSTi Output, you can treat that the same as an audio track. Same with the VSTi Outputs on the Host PC.
- You can route these into an instance of MIR using the VEP audio input plug. I'm not sure where you would put your Neve plugs, if if you would need them at all.
- You could set stem outputs from MIR and use those as your Group channels that use Studer. Again,. until you try it, you may not need the UAD at all, or only on some other instruments. I'm not sure how the UAD is seen by Cubase, but you could even load them in MIR (using J-Bridge, if they are still 32bit).
Many possibilities. The first step is to see if you like the sound of MIR and what it does for you. The second step is to think about altering your workflow.
DG
- Comp 1: (host): VEP5, Mir, Drms Vln, Celo, Bass, Trillian, Vienna Imperial -
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Hello Mr Dietz, thanks for the fast reply... ok that sounds understandable. Thought about that one more time. So I load all my PLugIns, VI´s and the MIR PRO in the VEPRO5 and I can use them either in cubase 5 or in MIR PRO. So if I have in cubase 20 miditracks and instead of loading 20 VI´s with F11 in Cubase as VST`s I can load them in VEPRO5 and route them after loading to MIR or Cubase or both, right? regards
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Yes, that's it in a nutshell. :-) VE Pro's & MIR Pro's output will appear as the "Instrument Output" of the VE Pro Server plugin in Cubase.
Sidenote: Most effect plugins and virtual instruments that come with Cubase itself won't load in VE Pro, because their licenses are tied to Cubase; VE Pro will be seen by them as 3rd-party host. You can use VE Pro's "Audio Input" plugin in Cubase to route Cubase's instruments to VE Pro / MIR Pro, however.
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Seems we have three license available using VEP5, but only one available for MIR? Is there a way to run MIR in each computer that is running VEP5 during project or can you sugest best approach. I do like MIR and would like to have ability to place all instruments in stages on both computers I am using during project. Will there be a license available for 2nd dongle available for a smaller fee...I would hate to have to purchase two MIR copies. Thanks for any suggestions
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@kzarider said:
Seems we have three license available using VEP5, but only one available for MIR? Is there a way to run MIR in each computer that is running VEP5 during project or can you sugest best approach. I do like MIR and would like to have ability to place all instruments in stages on both computers I am using during project. Will there be a license available for 2nd dongle available for a smaller fee...I would hate to have to purchase two MIR copies. Thanks for any suggestions
At the moment you would have to buy an extra licence to use MIR on two computers. The other option is to use MIR on the DAW, and use the audio input feature.
DG
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@kzarider said:
Seems we have three license available using VEP5, but only one available for MIR? Is there a way to run MIR in each computer that is running VEP5 during project or can you sugest best approach. I do like MIR and would like to have ability to place all instruments in stages on both computers I am using during project. Will there be a license available for 2nd dongle available for a smaller fee...I would hate to have to purchase two MIR copies. Thanks for any suggestions
As mentioned several times before, MIR wasn't planned to be used like a conventional reverb plugin, but as the final, unified stage for a mix. We didn't (and still don't) see much sense in having multiple instances of MIR Pro opened, mostly because it makes things unnecessarily complicated. In most cases this approach proved to be true, but of course we understand that some MIR users have different needs and workflows.
Right now, running MIR Pro in several machines will need a full license for each system. We trying to come up with a sensible solution in the near future, thouh. You still won't get two full additional licenses for free, but it will make the spreading across more machines affordable.
... for now, I can just ask you to get in contact with
. I'm sure they can work out something for you.
HTH,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
Thanks so much Mr Dietz, Purchased it yesterday along with most of my missing extended library collection..I REALLY LOVE THE SOUND. I just loaded abount 20 instruments on one computer looking forward to really getting to know this one. I am still lost on the audio ins and out but I am sure it won't take long. Will contact sales after I learn the tool [^]
