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Last post Tue, Jan 21 2014 by cm, 61 replies.

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Posted on Tue, Jan 07 2014 02:27
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5561

As usual I am abandoning Mac for cheaper PCs. I recently found a Dell XPS 8700 i7 4th generation computer that maxes out to 32 gb RAM and 4 cores. So get two of them and you have an 8 core 64 gb sample player. And the cost? $1,700. Compare that to the Mac Pro model.

Julian- I am thinking those figures in that article are very skewed. They don't translate into real world use of CPU/RAM/processing in general. Though on paper they are impressive.

Posted on Tue, Jan 07 2014 20:01
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

Hi William

You cannot compare an I7 and a Xeon processor !

It's like comparing a Audi A6 to a Ferari !

Best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
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Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
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Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
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Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
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Posted on Wed, Jan 08 2014 01:22
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5561

The question is academic anyway.

Posted on Wed, Jan 08 2014 19:34
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

This is not academic, if you want to compare two processors you must compare the inside of each, the DMA channel spead ....

Look at the price of a Xeon and to an I7, Xeon are going to more than 3000 $

Posted on Sat, Jan 11 2014 03:27
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5561

Cyril - Yes it is completely academic. Never mind.

Posted on Sat, Jan 11 2014 08:58
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

William

You are playing a bad game sending a version of message and changing it after on the forum

For those who are readind this thread these are the last two messages I received form William :

1) That's bullshit ! These are the latest i7 processors ! You cannot say that Cyril ! You are wrong !

2) Cyril - Yes it is completely academic. Don't contradict me. You are arrogant with all your flames and exclamation points. You don't know what you are talking about concerning my system which is far beyond anything you have used. End of discussion.

I have been very polite with you trying to help you, because you know a lot about music but your knowledge about computer is very low

For me it is the contrary !

Also when I write something I always check if I have any doubts. Wikipedia, Intel, Apple, HP pages are avery good source.

So before contradict me and insulting me you better doubble chek that what you wrote is not wrong.

SO I WILL REPEAT : YOU CANNOT COMPARE AN I7 PROCESSOR WITH A XEON PROCESSOR

If you want to know all about it you go on the Intel site and put the figures of an I7 agains the figures of a Xeon. Do you know wat is the DMA ? it is the channel that acces the memory

The new Xeon processor came after the last I7

There is a raison that the Xeon are sold up to 3000 $ each

Posted on Sat, Jan 11 2014 11:09
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9109

i don't understand why every mac-related discussion sooner or later must turn into a religious debate ...

if William is happy with the *inferior* i7 for his purpose - who cares.

if Cyril wants to max out every available performance option - let him go.

if i had to choose a processor i'd go with the latest i7 http://ark.intel.com/de/products/family/79318/Intel-High-End-Desktop-Processors/desktop since i'm not sure if it wouldn't be a good idea to have as much processor cache as possible.

actually more important IMO are the 4 memory channels which the i7 also provides.

having everything under one hood can be comfortable, though currently i'm not sure which audio device i had to choose for a macPro and i'm convinced i would need 3 or 4 external devices anyway.

so please continue this thead in a productive manner, say hinting to mac pro related news (like thunderbolt devices) and such, otherwise i will close this thread.

thx, cm

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...

Posted on Sat, Jan 11 2014 13:14
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

Hi CM

May be you did not understand my words.

You say : if Cyril wants to max out every available performance option - let him go.

This not what I mean, I say you cannot compare an I7 to a Xeon, it is normal that you can buy a computer with I7 at 1700$, but you cant get a computer with a Xeon processor at 1700$ when the processor on it's own is sold by Intel just under 3000 $

For me I am very happy with my 12 core configuration, I have not problem to use my 100 instrument template with very heavy scores

Concerning using TB for audio, this is another discussion ! there are very few affordable solution availlable. Speaking to Motu lately about a TB 424 they said that they are not thinking of this for the moment.

Posted on Sat, Jan 11 2014 13:40
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

I might be able to help with this topic in a couple of weeks time.
Currently I am using a 12 core (24 thread) machine and will be taking
delivery of a new 10 core (20 threads) machine very soon. I'll run one
of my heavy sessions on both, and then I will be able to say how much
improvement, in terms of processing power for audio, there is. Obviously
my machines are Windows based machines, and in terms of spec are very
different from what is included, or even possible with the new Mac Pro,
but it will give some idea of processor differences between the new ones and the older models.

What I can't help with is anything to do with 4K filming, because I have no experience with that.

Nuendo 6.03, 4.3
2 x Intel Xeon x5675 3.07GHz Hex Core
48GB RAM
Windows 7 (x64)Pro
RME Multiface II
Intensity
ATI HD5400 series graphics card

Posted on Sat, Jan 11 2014 18:41
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9109

Cyril wrote:

Hi CM

May be you did not understand my words.

You say : if Cyril wants to max out every available performance option - let him go.

;-) maybe you didn't understand _my_ words:

Quote:

if William is happy with the *inferior* i7 - who cares.

i'm very well aware of the differences between i7 and E5 xeon (let's limit us to the IvyBridge models)

but for most people it is just a question of sufficient outcome for reasonable money.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/77779,75283

i for myself would never choose an i7 for a database server, but also never an E5 xeon for a workstation - hope you get my point.

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...

Posted on Mon, Jan 13 2014 09:59
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

Mac pro article v.s. HP v.s Lenovo

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013

Posted on Mon, Jan 13 2014 10:06
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

cm wrote:

Hi CM

Thanks, very interesting !

Did you see my PM ?

Best

Cyril

Posted on Mon, Jan 13 2014 10:13
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

cm wrote:

i for myself would never choose an i7 for a database server, but also never an E5 xeon for a workstation - hope you get my point.

So for a VSL slave with MIR PRO 5.1 what will you use ?

For a VSL workstation for a 100 instrument tremplate with MIR PRO 5.1 ?

Posted on Mon, Jan 13 2014 10:16
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

An internet program in French about the new Macpro : http://yakyakyak.fr/2014/01/emission-on-refait-le-mac-special-mac-pro/

Posted on Mon, Jan 13 2014 10:34
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

Speaking of TB 2 :

In this French emission they say :

- that we could think of clustering Macpro,

- that they transger a 150 Gb file, it took 22 minute on Ethernet and 4 minutes on TB 2

Posted on Wed, Jan 15 2014 10:49
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

For those who speak French Igor has made a test of the new Macpro with Logic X :

http://yakyakyak.fr/2014/01/focus-mac-pro-logic-x-entretien-avec-igor-bolender/

The test is done on the 8 core 64 GB
He has load 48 Kontakt or Logic instruments Each instrument has 40 simultaneous voices over 16 midi channels per Kontakt So its a total 1920 simultaneous voices
He has add 576 plug-ins to the 48 instruments
and has routed those to 15 Aux with 4 plug-ins each

Posted on Thu, Jan 16 2014 04:13
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5561

Cyril wrote:

your knowledge about computer is very low

Who are you to judge me? What exactly are your qualifications? I have never heard one piece of music you did. Never on this site or anywhere. You can hear anything I do. It is right out there for anyone to judge. All of it done with computers though my knowledge is "very low." But what do you do with all your superior equipment? You are just somebody with a big mouth on the internet, that is all. Until you post the "big orchestral setups" you do with all that impressive equipment.

I would be far more impressed with somebody who created a great piece of music with very limited equipment. But you are constantly acting superior because you have some big Mac system.

For your information I just spent the last two weeks setting up a four PC computer system with 88 gb of RAM, 2.5 TB of SSD storage and three slaves controlled by a sequencer computer - a total of twelve cores sample playback though it costs 1/4 of the comparable Mac. None of that counts with you of course, because it is not a PRE-ASSEMBLED high power system from Apple. I don't need that the way you do Cyril - I have assembled my own system - even with my "very low" knowledge.

Don't respond - I am not interested in hearing from you. I just wanted to let you know that not everyone will put up with your insults. I'm out of here for good. Good riddance to you.

Posted on Thu, Jan 16 2014 10:41
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

Read the table I have post, the table show that a MAC at equal configuration is a bit cheaper than a Lenovo and an HP

you cannot compare a PC or a MAC using an I7 and a PC or a MAC using a XEON ! this show your little knowledge in computer hardware !

What a hell having to deal with a master and 4 slave, when all can be done on a single workstation with a XEON and that with MIR PRO in 5.1 or in 7.1 !

Posted on Thu, Jan 16 2014 23:04
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370

Bill

apologize to Cyril. He was definitely trying to help you with a computer choice.

Posted on Mon, Jan 20 2014 09:36
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2675

I have just read in a French site http://www.macg.co/materiel/2014/01/premier-contact-avec-le-nouveau-mac-pro-79293

that the new 2013 8 core Macpro has the same brute power that the Westmere 2010 12 core Macpro Wink

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