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Last post Mon, Jul 14 2014 by vosk, 46 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Jul 10 2014 06:50
by vosk
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2008, Posts 139

Is it possible to do work with MIR on another computer like working with the server? MIR gives too much load on the processor. 100% for middle orchestral project.

I use 3 computer with VE PRO - master+slave A+slave B. All 3 computer have different groups of orchestra:

Master - Cubase projects, Key instruments, Percussion and other (ethnic, pop, help..)

Slave A - Woodwinds and Brass

Slave B - Strings

All libraries huge! Hollywood series, Berlin series ect.. One computer can't keep this massive, therefore orchestral groups are located on three computers. But all instruments must be in the same room - in one MIR. In this situation, I can use MIR only as an insert in channels of instruments in Cubase. (All personal or groupe output channels routing from VE PRO to Cubase) But as a result the load on the CPU increases to 100%.. (i7-3770 3.9+HT in VE PRO and Cubase)






If it were possible to move MIR beyond the Master computer to Slave computer, it would be fine! For example to run MIR through the vienna server as we can run instances.

Posted on Thu, Jul 10 2014 09:23
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7868

MIR Pro will run perfectly fine within VE Pro. As a matter of fact this is MIR Pro's original implementation with the most features.

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jul 10 2014 10:44
by vosk
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2008, Posts 139

Yes I know. But I don't want to copy the MIR settings for each instrument or group three times on three computers.. Every time. :) This is a triple work. I want 3 computers and 1 space for my orchestra.
I do not think it is difficult to make. Now we connecting with VE PRO like this:

Host > VE Server > VE Instance - using the plug-in "Server Interface" (for Instance) and "Audio-Input" (for Instance audio-input)

But we could connecting with MIR like this: 

Host > VE Server > MIR - using the plug-in "MIR Interface" or "MIR Audio-Input" :)

Or directly:

Host > MIR on slave computer.

I don't mind to buy 3 MIRs  for my 3 computer and 3*x.. roompacks :) But then I have to copy all the settings three times ..

If you mean to run the MIR in VE Instance on slave computer and connect to this MIR via a audio-plugin, it is a bad idea. First, you know how it is not convenient :), secondly, vienna guys has not yet solved the problem of conflict between host and VE PRO multiprocessing using..

Now we have VE Server working separately from the host. In other words - VE Server-Standalone. :) And connecting host with server via "server interface" plug-in. MIR also can works Standalone (I think MIR have 127.0.0.0 too :)) and connecting with host via Vienna MIR PRO plug-in. Why we can not connect with MIR on the slave computer like the server?

Posted on Thu, Jul 10 2014 16:31
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2722

can you give a description of all your computers including there disks where are your system and where are your different libs ?

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Jul 10 2014 17:02
by vosk
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2008, Posts 139

Of course! Here all about:   http://www.youtube.com/w...     (from 0:40)

Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 02:20
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2722

Hi

Nice video but it is too quick to read for a Frenchy









  Normally you do not need 500 tracks for an orchestra. My template uses 100 tracks but does articulation switching









MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 09:11
by vosk
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2008, Posts 139





I'm not talking about the number of tracks :), and the problem of CPU vs MIR.

Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 09:41
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2722

I

vosk wrote:





I'm not talking about the number of tracks :), and the problem of CPU vs MIR.

May be you can slim down your orchestral template, more you have tracks more CPU resources MIR will use :)

can you give a description of all your computers including there disks where are your system and where are your different libs ?

Load also depends of your disks ? Do you use ssd ?


If you look at my configuration in my signature I have an orchestral template of 100 instruments, most of them are VI , and this with MIR in 5.1 but I use articulation switching.

Playing my test song in 5.1 with buffer in Logic set to 512, the CPU is idle between 60 to 85 %, my big template is set with preload buffer at the minimum

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 11:08
by vosk
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2008, Posts 139

MIR processes only its own channels, of course using the CPU. If MIR working in Standalone mode, MIR not use resources of Host or VE PRO, only CPU. In my monstrous project with 900 tracks :) I use only 19 channels in MIR for process. (pic. http://i.minus.com/inDUeFtPQDuTq.JPG )

Its toy template is compared in this example: http://community.vsl.co..../34599/215686.aspx  :) And despite this my MIR template kills my CPU.. Reason is one - in my case MIR work does not in VE Instance and in Standalone mode.

900 tracks (midi) do not have anything to do with :)

I have a fast disсs - OCZ Revodrive X2 and X3, almost all library located on these discs. Also I have a raid-massives on ordinary discs 7200. Speed of my library discs can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-nFBWTlnew  (my drives right :)) And if you know -
work with libraries of Hollywood series (eastwest) can only use these discs (or SSD-raid) and VE PRO. It is a prerequisite. :)

The problem is not speed drives or weak system or huge project, and even not loading the audio engine (ASIO).. Problem in MIR in Standalone mode, and this problem can be solved by transferring MIR to another computer.

This movie is a little bit about my problem:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0DAXKB0JMI

Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 12:24
by FlorianWalter
Joined on Thu, Sep 20 2007, Vienna / Munich, Posts 125

 Hi vosk,

just had a look at the video about your problem. I wonder if you already tried to change the audio buffer size or the MIR latency settings.

To get a better idea of what's going on on your system, it would be interesting if you could try:

- same audio buffer size, MIR latency set to 0
- larger audio buffer size, MIR latency set to 0
- larger audio buffer size and a larger MIR latency

Thank you, Florian

Florian Walter
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 13:09
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2722

I have not used MIR like this, I use it in VE PRO, so I cannot help you much

my template :





http://cyrilblanc.fr/VSL/orch.png


Did you try to set your buffer size to 1024 in Cubase and your pre-load buffer size in directory manager to the minimum
MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 15:35
by vosk
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2008, Posts 139

Thank guys! I have tested all possible variants. Effectively only  increase latency of sound card.

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But I can't set latency more than 256 :)

Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 15:44
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13300

Hi, 

Best, 

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 15:52
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2722

Do you have the possibility in Cubase to "mute"/disable MIR ?

Does it improve ?

As you have a lot of free memory, you can increase Preload in Directory Manager ! Confused

If you had the possibility to convert your project in Logic format I could test it on my configuration

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 17:05
by vosk
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2008, Posts 139
Paul wrote:

Hi, 

Did you also try with different MIR latencies, as Florian suggested?

Best, 

Paul

Thank you Paul! (I was waiting for your attention :))

Of course I tried advice by Florian, MIR does not respond to change latency..- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SeUG5FmDJA

( Maybe necessary to restart MIR after changes?)

I also tried to open MIR in VE PRO (via VE audio-input insert in Cubase) - on same (master) computer - good result! But the best result happens if open MIR in VE PRO (again via VE audio-input insert in Cubase) - on second (slave) computer - almost no CPU loading (slave computer CPU)! Perfect result! But use this variant can only via VE audio-input insert in Cubase, and it is not very convenient,
to the same ASIO overloads..

I understand that MIR in Standalone mode works in a separate process like jbridge's plug-ins :), and most likely not possible to out MIR to another computer separately from VE PRO.. But I would like to know this for sure - possible or not possible totally? :) Depending on this I will build my configuration of MIR.

Cyril wrote:
If you had the possibility to convert your project in Logic format I could test it on my configuration

Unfortunately Cubase projects not convert to Logic projects and return so far.

(for Cyril about layering of different libraries: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvhsJuge4v0 )

Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 17:15
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13300

Hi vosk, 

To be honest, I´m having a hard time to extract your questions from your postings.... Can you maybe re-phrase them in a more direct/simple way?

Best, 

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 18:01
by vosk
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2008, Posts 139

lol. I do not understand too, is google translator blame :)

Paul, why did you "Vienna MIR Pro x64.dll" (vst etc.)? For what?

Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 18:26
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7868
vosk wrote:

Hi Vosk,

that should be the plug-in version of MIR Pro: ->  http://dl.vsl.co.at/downloader.aspx?ID=14327

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 18:42
by vosk
Joined on Tue, Jul 08 2008, Posts 139

Thank you, Dietz! And I thought you did this .dll for use MIR without VE PRO.

Posted on Fri, Jul 11 2014 19:18
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7868

Yes, exactly. You can use MIR Pro as plug-in (in the formats VST, AU, RTAS and AAX) without VE Pro.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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