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Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 09:59
by McArnes
Joined on Sun, Aug 27 2017, Posts 93

Originally Posted by: christof Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: McArnes Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post
"Until now there are no realistic string libraries on the market, they all sound like a synth. So I will rather not buy this until I can hear if it's better than the others to simulate a string orchestra. " - Mcarnes Is that a joke?
No, show me one library that sounds like a real string orchestra? I certainly hope this one will.

Each string library has positive/negative aspects, but it seems that you are looking for the real thing.

This will never happen because it is simply impossible.You can get close to it, but you can't expect a perfect simulation from any sampling company.And as a performer I have to say that I am glad about this fact.

Well, I'm sure most companies are aiming for the real sound, if not they wouldn't put so much work in this. But of course, it is very difficult when it comes to strings, next after choirs I guess. That's why I'm excited to see some demos soon.

Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 10:08
by christof
Joined on Tue, Jun 19 2007, Vienna/Austria, Posts 195
Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 12:34
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Originally Posted by: McArnes Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: christof Go to Quoted Post

it seems that you are looking for the real thing.

This will never happen because it is simply impossible.You can get close to it, but you can't expect a perfect simulation from any sampling company.And as a performer I have to say that I am glad about this fact.

Well, I'm sure most companies are aiming for the real sound, if not they wouldn't put so much work in this.

Imho in discussions like that arguing with the "real" thing seems to be a more or less esoteric matter:

Do you really want "the real thing" so be ready for all its "real" shortcomings. In reality there are very much orchestras only very few of them do really sound as excellent and brilliant as we do expect it from the predominance of recordings made by the most oustanding Orchestras. (Not to mention how tedious it is to realise with a more or less average orchestra conseqently what your musical imagination might inspire.

On the other hand samplelibraries are part of our current reality, it seem to me a bit unrealistic to dispute them their reality. However their individual problems and potentials might be.

Having said that I am not interested in arguments based on any more or less idealistic understandig of what ever some one believe he must demand the "reality" should be. What I am looking for are "good" samples, what means samples which allow me in the most convincing way to realise musical ideas. I am quite optimisitic that the VSL-Experience is a pretty good fundament to create musical reasonable and versatile samplelibraries. For me they already belong to the by far most convincig with what they have done. And if they need the time to keep their high quality standard, I am happy that they do nothing in any premature way, this is what I do expect most.

http://libraries.resampled.de/index.php
four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 15:26
by Ashermusic
Joined on Fri, Jan 02 2009, Posts 561

Originally Posted by: McArnes Go to Quoted Post

Until now there are no realistic string libraries on the market, they all sound like a synth.

 Nonsense, there are already a bunch of them that do not sound synthy if you know how to write for them and program them. This will no doubt be one more.

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Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 16:29
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5730

:No, show me one library that sounds like a real string orchestra? I certainly hope this one will." - Mcarnes

 

That is total bullshit.  To say that Appassionata Strings and Dimension Strings - let alone Chamber or Orchestral - sound like a "synth" is outrageously false and utterly ignorant of the actual sound of real strings.  I am an orchestral player as well as composer with 35 years experience playing in live orchestras and ensembles and am blown away by the realism and beauty of the VSL strings.  If you can't make such great sounding libraries sound good YOU are incompetent and blaming the library for your own lack of ability.  Listen to any of the string demos here - you are saying those sound like  a "synth"?   What are your qualifications for trashing the VSL strings in this way? Who are you and what have you done musically to make such sweeping dismissive statements?  

 

William Kersten

www.williamkersten.com

Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 17:24
by duanran007
Joined on Mon, Sep 17 2012, Posts 2

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post

 I am an orchestral player as well as composer with 35 years experience playing in live orchestras and ensembles and am blown away by the realism and beauty of the VSL strings.  If you can't make such great sounding libraries sound good YOU are incompetent and blaming the library for your own lack of ability. 

Well, after listened to the music on your website now I'm curious what kind of live orchestras and ensembles you are playing with...

Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 18:03
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5730

I played in the Reno Philharmonic as a contract player, the Reno Chamber Orchestra, the Nevada Opera Orchestra, the Nevada FEsitval Ballet Orchestra, the UNR Symphony, various chamber ensembles for specific concerts, as well as ensembles not including strings such as concert bands, symphonic band, brass choir, brass quintet and many different college groups  However I am now focusing specifically on sample musicwhich is what is featured on my website.

Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 03:24
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5730

I want to hear from  "Mcarnes"  who said VSL strings sound like a "Synth."  

Who are you?  What do you do?  Where is your music? I want to hear it since you are discerning enough to decide that all VSL strings sound like a "Synth."  I never thought that, from the First Edition til right now.  And yet you dismiss the entire library that way.  So I need to ask you to clarify things by posting a link to your music.

Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 07:31
by McArnes
Joined on Sun, Aug 27 2017, Posts 93

“Synth” was the wrong word to use of course, I’m sorry. What I meant was synthetic, and it’s not so much about the sound per se but the expression, to hear even if it's a large ensemble, that there are different musicians playing different violins etc, and to feel more that the bow is touching the string, and is moving. Just to be clear, I think no one is as close to realism than VSL’s Strings, and I hope that Synchron Strings will make it possible to get even closer especially when it comes to performance expression. There’s a huge difference from VSL and synths so I admit it was a silly comment by me. I’m just starting out myself but I’d be happy to share some music in the future, hopefully with Synchron Strings.

Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 10:16
by Zen
Joined on Tue, Jul 15 2008, Posts 11

Hi, has anything been posted about divisi options for Synchron strings? With 16 V1s (which easily sounds like 32, I guess, when crossfading between dynamic layers?), I'm a little concerned about everthing sounding too large for my personal taste.

 

Also, where can I read about the difference between Synchron Strings I and the planned SS II? Not that I need to know what comes with SSII as such, but I'd like to know more about what's not included with SS I, especially if I should go for the early bird offer. I have gone for similar offers ealrier (not from VSL), and been surprised about things I took for granted in any string library that was missing (and missing for a long time). Not trying to be negative here, by the way: Synchron Strings looks promising; very promising actually, especially if there will be an easy way to disable some of the dynamic layers and have the remaining ones spread over the whole CC value range. Having to always have 80 variations loaded per key could easily cause problems on my aging Mac Pro. 

Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 12:12
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Hi Zen

OK I am not a VSL-Official, but the Synchron-Strings II will very likly have a large Set of muted variants and presumably the sul tasto /sul ponticello harmonics patches which seem to be not yet part of SynchronStrings I

Be sure on the longrun, VSL will not leave any important articulation be not included in the Synchron-Series, meanwhile the project just starts, in any case you need patience as we all do.

http://libraries.resampled.de/index.php
four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 13:22
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 550

 

Synchron Strings STANDARD-Version seems to be short before RELEASE!

Bestservice has raised the Std.-EB-Price to Full-Listprice and the Extended Library from early Bird to Intro-Price.

Means, we'll get the Std.Version first.

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Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 14:59
by Zen
Joined on Tue, Jul 15 2008, Posts 11

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

 

Synchron Strings STANDARD-Version seems to be short before RELEASE!

Bestservice has raised the Std.-EB-Price to Full-Listprice and the Extended Library from early Bird to Intro-Price.

Means, we'll get the Std.Version first.

I believe I read somewhere that there would be more demos or walkthroughs before the release, for people who are interested in the Early Bird deal?

Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 16:37
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 242

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

 

Synchron Strings STANDARD-Version seems to be short before RELEASE!

Bestservice has raised the Std.-EB-Price to Full-Listprice and the Extended Library from early Bird to Intro-Price.

Means, we'll get the Std.Version first.

That's weird. VSL said there would be an intro-price after the release. If I remember correctly, it was supposed to be € 446 for the Standard Library.

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Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 17:27
by McArnes
Joined on Sun, Aug 27 2017, Posts 93

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

 

Synchron Strings STANDARD-Version seems to be short before RELEASE!

Bestservice has raised the Std.-EB-Price to Full-Listprice and the Extended Library from early Bird to Intro-Price.

Means, we'll get the Std.Version first.

That's weird. VSL said there would be an intro-price after the release. If I remember correctly, it was supposed to be € 446 for the Standard Library.

 

Still is:




Early Bird Price € 417 € 764


Introductory Price (upon release in December, 2017)
€ 446
€ 817


List Price
€ 595
€ 1,090


Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 17:33
by Piotr Katzpersky
Joined on Mon, May 11 2015, Polska, Posts 32

If you check any other retailer, prices are already set to non-promo (jrr, audiodeluxe etc.). As I've seen, only ilio (but they have huge lag, and they still write about November release ;)) and VSL have early bird offer now. Which might mean that:

1) indeed we are close to release - hopefully!

2) something is not right and if you are out of luck you will pay full for unreleased product (Best service has this info on SS I site "release date: 12.10.2017 " )

Anyways I'm a bit tired of that "early bird". I was planning to buy other string library which was actually on sale during black friday, but suddenly early bird came and, because of my trust to VSL and love to workflow, I decided to wait. Still waiting people, no worries, no more 50% cheaper strings ;)

Anyways I think that VSL decided to kick in with that early bird to pump up income in last Q of year. But it is going rather akwardly for customers...

Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 18:13
by McArnes
Joined on Sun, Aug 27 2017, Posts 93

With the new voucher offer (4 for 3) and not knowing how long the Early bird offer would last, I couldn't wait anymore and got Synchron Strings for € 317 :)

Posted on Sat, Dec 02 2017 18:30
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 550

Originally Posted by: McArnes Go to Quoted Post

With the new voucher offer (4 for 3) and not knowing how long the Early bird offer would last, I couldn't wait anymore and got Synchron Strings for € 317 :)

Yepp! This is indeed the best deal. If I had known about the delay, I had waited for this deal too :(

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Posted on Sun, Dec 03 2017 03:34
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5730

“Synth” was the wrong word to use of course, I’m sorry. What I meant was synthetic, and it’s not so much about the sound per se but the expression, to hear even if it's a large ensemble, that there are different musicians playing different violins etc, and to feel more that the bow is touching the string, and is moving. Just to be clear, I think no one is as close to realism than VSL’s Strings"  - Mcarnes

I am glad you said that.  

Btw - what you are describing "bow is touching to string and is moving" - that is DIMENSION STRINGS already.  This is the most sensitive and intimate string library.  It is not only bow touching strings, but each player's individual bow touching strings.  And each player is compeltely different, and yet they play perfectly together.  This is the kind of musical technological achievement of VSL with the Dimension Strings which is unmatched by anything else - let alone their other great sounding strings.  But this is not to take away from Synchron strings which will probably be the best ensemble string library of all.

Posted on Sun, Dec 03 2017 21:54
by Vischebaste
Joined on Sat, Apr 21 2007, Posts 29

I'm on the verge of talking myself into this (I was going to wait and see, but the lure of €100 discount via a voucher plus the early bird offer is causing my resistance to crumble). Only thing I'm wondering is - is there anything to be gained from buying now, rather than waiting for the demos? Can anyone confirm whether the official line is that some demos will definitely be released before the early bird offer ends?

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