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Posted on Wed, Nov 29 2017 19:35
by Arsenal
Joined on Sat, Nov 26 2016, Posts 19

Originally Posted by: SJSF Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Mobius Go to Quoted Post
“Rage”? Really? Something’s definitely not right with your perspective if a product delay causes rage. Annoyance perhaps, but rage? Sorry, but your post reads as either extreme over-reaction or sarcasm.

CLEARLY, we all love VSL's fine work so much that we get extremely passionate about it. That must be it.

Speaking of being extremely passionate about VSL...

We just had our first child 2 weeks ago, a girl we named Vienna. Someone just asked me "you seriously didn't name your daughter after a sample library did you?" Of course I didn't.......  but this does at least say that I do mention VSL enough to elicit that question being asked.

Sorry for getting a bit off topic. I just thought I'd lighten the mood a bit. 

-Sean

 

Thanks, also for understanding the nature/origin of my post. Also congratulations, very much

 

It seems like some people (according to their reactions) misred my previous - admittetly a little bit exaggerated - post, as the intend and main concern was Not the incoming delay, but the news about Synchron Strings now beeing released in pieces. Especially what a previous poster said about a previously released product (Dimensions - last bits 2 years later) somehow fueled my post. I didnt know about that happening and hope that will not be the case (again). 

Posted on Wed, Nov 29 2017 22:23
by FabioA
Joined on Fri, Jan 13 2012, Posts 89

Originally Posted by: plowman Go to Quoted Post

 

 

I'm only guessing here, but Synchron may be able to vary short sounds dynamically, depeding on how they're played -- or at least switch from short to long as the MIDI note and CC's dictate. Consider this from the announcement:

  

 

 

How? :) With 50 ms of delay, maybe. How could it othersie foresee you will release the key quickly (staccato).
The only solution is to layer staccato notes and long notes on the same patch, and use the staccato as the attack of the long note. Personally, I hope it isn't like that :)

Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 02:23
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Posts 499

Vienna-J & LAJ,

Thanks to both! We're happy and sleep deprived! And I could probably name a son Dietz. I could train him to be a sleeper agent so he could someday infultrate VSL to get the source code for MIR. It'd be worth it.

I'd understand concerns about delay and the segmented release schedule. To be fair, I've seen the same thing before with every leading orchestral library out there. Most just keep a lid on it until release day. I actually prefer getting things in parts cause it forces me to get to know the instrument before I commit to a template. It usually helps a ton when come time to build a template. But I can absolutely relate to the sense of urgency in your post. I'm sure we all know it's best not to hang a job on a new product. But sometimes it's not avoidable either, especially when you don't have a lengthly list of orchestral samples to already work with. Been there done that.

The only thing I disagree with you on is "a little big exaggerated". Come on now, just admit it. You were a raging madman!  5-6 years ago I flamed in forums constantly (my excuse was a very broken childhood). All the craziness aside, I think every last one of us can at least agree on one thing ---> we either get demos soon, or we should threaten to flood the General board with seriously wonky VSL mp3 demos using our existing instruments! I'd be down with experimenting with VI-Pro's feature and an LFO on just about every CC-assignable feature to make some unnatural cello magic happen. It could get ugly.

One thing that's irking me about this release. The more I sit here and think "gee, I wonder how much I'm going to be flipping out over this soon..." my thoughts keep turning to extreme impatience. Not for demos. No. I'm getting impatient for Synchron Brass already. My SE+ tuba has served me well. But I so desparately want a new one.

-Sean

Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 02:52
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5724

"It seems like some people (according to their reactions) misred my previous - admittetly a little bit exaggerated - post"  -vienna-j

vienna-j :

Oh really?  I didn't "misred" anything you wrote. 

btw - learn a little something about spelling and writing in the English language - let alone music - before you lecture people - and composers - who speak English. 

Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 04:03
by Adrian B
Joined on Thu, Nov 01 2012, Belmont, CA, Posts 2

My sincere expectation is that Syncron Strings will come out as a full string section in December, because my expectation is high for VSL, both in quality and customer service. 

-Adrian

Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 06:23
by johnstaf
Joined on Thu, Apr 21 2011, EI, Posts 216

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post

"It seems like some people (according to their reactions) misred my previous - admittetly a little bit exaggerated - post"  -vienna-j

vienna-j :

Oh really?  I didn't "misred" anything you wrote. 

btw - learn a little something about spelling and writing in the English language - let alone music - before you lecture people - and composers - who speak English. 

Vienna-j, please continue posting. Not all users will try and belittle you like this.

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Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 06:51
by johnstaf
Joined on Thu, Apr 21 2011, EI, Posts 216

I haven't bought Synchron Strings yet, but I can't wait for the video. Paul's tutorial convinced me I had to have Dimensions Strings. I think eight velocity layers will be interesting.

Cubase (OS agnostic). Various VSL bits and pieces.

Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 08:52
by McArnes
Joined on Sun, Aug 27 2017, Posts 93

Hi,

will the early bird offer be extended as there are no demos of the library yet? I'm very interested, but I really want to know what this sounds like first. 

Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 11:09
by Casiquire
Joined on Sat, May 01 2010, Posts 325

Wow, all the overreaction in this thread.  If you're that upset by it, return it.  Get a refund.  Move on.  And maybe this will be a good moment of learning about what early birds and early releases really mean in the world of tech.  They're a risky gamble.  Now you know, and you can be better informed in the future.

Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 17:08
by Ashermusic
Joined on Fri, Jan 02 2009, Posts 558

Originally Posted by: Casiquire Go to Quoted Post

Wow, all the overreaction in this thread.  If you're that upset by it, return it.  Get a refund.  Move on.  And maybe this will be a good moment of learning about what early birds and early releases really mean in the world of tech.  They're a risky gamble.  Now you know, and you can be better informed in the future.

Exactly. It is a sample library, not a cure for cancer. Knowing VSL, it will be a very good one but when it comes out, it will not change your life in any meaningful way, and if you think it does, you need to re-examine your priorities.

And if it never came out, you still should be able to make quality music with the many you probably already have.

Worry more about getting better with using what you have and less about timetables and details about upcoming libraries is my advice, which of course, everyone is free to disregard :)

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Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 17:51
by philippe DONON
Joined on Fri, Oct 06 2017, Posts 1

Hello, Do you have any ideas when you will launch the new synchron strings 1 product. I ordered since around one month and I have no news, except your last Email where you said that it would be launch end of november ... Unfortunatly we will be in decembrer tomorrow ... Thank you for your understanding Best regards

Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 18:56
by McArnes
Joined on Sun, Aug 27 2017, Posts 93

Originally Posted by: Casiquire Go to Quoted Post

Wow, all the overreaction in this thread.  If you're that upset by it, return it.  Get a refund.  Move on.  And maybe this will be a good moment of learning about what early birds and early releases really mean in the world of tech.  They're a risky gamble.  Now you know, and you can be better informed in the future.

I will rather not buy this until I can hear more of it.

How many times do you buy new jeans that you couldn't see or try yet, just heard they are going to be great? 

Relax a little, it's not good for your heart to get so upset by other's posts :)

Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 19:23
by SJSF
Joined on Sat, Sep 18 2010, Posts 499

DEMOS ARE UP!!!

I am of course messing with everyone. The tension is unfortunately still very high with impatience and boiling brains. Perhaps Synchron actually is a cure for cancer. I'd believe it. We can all choose to encourage instead of insult. Rudeness is a cycle only broken by choosing to be better to others even (and especially) if they choose to be worse in return. Otherwise, who among us "would not be the sufferer"? Please forgive the sermon. Maybe we can all act like adults and talk about Synchron instead.

Speaking of samples... What I'm most interested in so far.

  • Long Notes - Lyrical. Yes, yes, and yes.
  • Regular, slurred, and fast legato - More yesness.
  • Releases damped & ringing - Wanted this for years in a string library. Very excited!
  • 80 wonderful variations per key.
  • Short notes? It's not Staccato & Spiccato now. Is it adaptive or something?

I hope the video demonstrates the short note versitility as I'm rarely content with short notes in any library out there. Kontakt's TS-Pro algorithm is the closest I've come to being satisfied and I'm not really that satisfied with it. So any examples would be appreciated.


-Sean

Posted on Thu, Nov 30 2017 21:54
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 236

Well, it looks like it's happening to everyone. East West's Hollywood Choirs is also delayed.

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Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 02:25
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 545

Yes. This seems to become a "Release-head to head - race" between EW & VSL with two complete different products :D
Windows 11, Cubase 12

Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 03:04
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5724

"Until now there are no realistic string libraries on the market, they all sound like a synth. So I will rather not buy this until I can hear if it's better than the others to simulate a string orchestra. " - Mcarnes

Is that a joke?  

Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 06:28
by Laurence
Joined on Sat, Apr 03 2004, Posts 10

I do not often post here, however II thought I would add my two cents worth. The company VSL has provided me with the best samples out there and fantastic customer service since its inception way back when. The fact that they even offer an early bird option is a reflection of their attitude towards their user base.. How on earth is it possible in this day and age to be upset about a delay of a few weeks concerning a really big release and a new direction for VSL. I am in fact simply plain excited and looking forward to the happy day when this library arrives. 

Take your time VSL and know that there are many users who are simply in awe of the incredible high standard you set concerning sample generated orchestral sounds.

Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 08:33
by McArnes
Joined on Sun, Aug 27 2017, Posts 93

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post
"Until now there are no realistic string libraries on the market, they all sound like a synth. So I will rather not buy this until I can hear if it's better than the others to simulate a string orchestra. " - Mcarnes
Is that a joke?


Show me one library that sounds like a real string orchestra? I certainly hope this one will.

Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 09:10
by yilalatavsl
Joined on Tue, Nov 03 2015, Posts 41

yes

Posted on Fri, Dec 01 2017 09:16
by christof
Joined on Tue, Jun 19 2007, Vienna/Austria, Posts 195

Originally Posted by: McArnes Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post
"Until now there are no realistic string libraries on the market, they all sound like a synth. So I will rather not buy this until I can hear if it's better than the others to simulate a string orchestra. " - Mcarnes Is that a joke?
No, show me one library that sounds like a real string orchestra? I certainly hope this one will.

Each string library has positive/negative aspects, but it seems that you are looking for the real thing.

This will never happen because it is simply impossible.You can get close to it, but you can't expect a perfect simulation from any sampling company.And as a performer I have to say that I am glad about this fact.

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