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SYNCHRON PLAYER for Synchron Strings is available!
Last post Thu, Jul 05 2018 by TFIS, 60 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Jun 19 2018 22:27
by bogdan
Joined on Fri, Apr 18 2008, Canada/ Brockville, Posts 271

Hi Paul,

Congrats for the beautiful library and its player, and also thank you for the info regarding the faderfox unit !

All best,

B

Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 05:09
by neelmusic11
Joined on Tue, Aug 25 2015, Posts 13

Hello Paul,

 Thanks for ths, was eagerly waiting!! 

Cheers

Neelesh

Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 05:11
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12231

Hi Neelesh, 

We have started with the first violins and added the MULTI Library download for first violins yesterday. All sections will follow over the course of th next days (making sure that we can provide sufficient download performance for everyone). 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 05:14
by neelmusic11
Joined on Tue, Aug 25 2015, Posts 13

Thanks Paul!!

Is the link for the Violin 2 active yet? I dont seem to find it in myvsl..

 

Cheers

Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 05:18
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12231

Hi, 

Sorry, my mistake, it was the MULTI Library for first violins that was added yesterday. I think the second violins will be added soon. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 10:26
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12231

Hi everybody, 

2nd violins STEREO Download is online now!

Best, 

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 18:10
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 237

Hi there,

thanks for providing the Synchron Player. I am still testing all the new features. :)

BUT: I am experiencing heavy dropouts even with just one microphone. It has nothng to do with the voice limit, I checked this. Maybe I'm doing something wrong... I tried the Player in Logic as a plugin and in VE Pro, both the same. I have no SSD and the loading times are immense. For me, it sounds sometimes that not all samples are loaded, because I can't really play repititions, too. Or is this the normal behaviour?

I am working on macOS Sierra (10.12.6) on a Mac Pro 3,46 GHz 6-Core (2009 version) with 32 GB RAM.

Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 18:48
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 518
I tried it with a HD first too. Fazit ... purchase a SSD! This library is just not made for a normal HD.

(Even if it would run normal ... you mentioned the loading times ... just imagine the project crashes ... how many time do you have?)
Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 18:49
by IOANNIS SAOULIS
Joined on Sun, Jan 02 2005, Greece, Posts 8

Hi Paul thank you for your prompt reply.

In this case we could delete the old files of the Strings I. Right?

Yannis Saoulis
PC1: Intel i7 8 core / 64Gb Ram,
PC2: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920x 12 core / 64GB
ProTools HDX/OMNI, C|24.
VSL Synchroon Library, VIENNA ENSEMBLE PRO 7, EPIC ORCHESTRA 2.0 Library,SYNCHRON-ized DIMENSION BRASS I Standard Library, SYNCHRON PERCUSSION I Standard Library, YAMAHA CFX Full Library, SYNCHRON STRINGS I Full Library, VI libraries
Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 18:57
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 810

Quote from https://www.vsl.co.at/en...kage/Synchron_Strings_I#!FAQ :

"Q: Is it mandatory to use an SSD? Will my HDD also work?

A: We have added an SSD as a system requirement for using our Synchron Series products because you will run into long loading times and a weak performance when working with the access and streaming times of a HDD. If you want to give it a try, we will not hold you back, but please make sure that you have set the PRELOAD time for your sample content to 16384 samples."

Ben
Technical Support - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 19:00
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 518
Originally Posted by: bbelius Go to Quoted Post
<p>Quote from https://www.vsl.co.at/en...kage/Synchron_Strings_I#!FAQ :</p>
<p>"Q: Is it mandatory to use an SSD? Will my HDD also work?</p>
<p>A: We have added an SSD as a system requirement for using our Synchron Series products because you will run into long loading times and a weak performance when working with the access and streaming times of a HDD. If you want to give it a try, we will not hold you back, but please make sure that you have set the PRELOAD time for your sample content to 16384 samples."</p>


I totally confirm this.
Every Non-SSD try ends up in a horror-show-performance.
Posted on Wed, Jun 20 2018 19:59
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 237

Thanks for your feedback, guys. Great! The PRELOAD size changed everything.

Posted on Thu, Jun 21 2018 10:06
by yilalatavsl
Joined on Tue, Nov 03 2015, Posts 41

Legatoslur is not as good as other strings. It's not working!!! Hollywood, Lass, etc., and then ask for a refund!!

Posted on Thu, Jun 21 2018 10:24
by yilalatavsl
Joined on Tue, Nov 03 2015, Posts 41

Originally Posted by: yilalatavsl Go to Quoted Post

Legatoslur is not as good as other strings. It's not working!!! Hollywood, Lass, etc., and then ask for a refund!!

 

 Hi,
      Maybe I really can't humiliate you and humiliate you!But the synchron strings I sounds really bad!The new player did not solve a good continuous play at all! Shit!String music from other manufacturers can be quite competent for your string music! I feel sorry for buying this string! I really regret it! Nausea to the extreme!I think I really need the whole money back to me! Refund! Refund!
bad of vsl!
Posted on Thu, Jun 21 2018 13:20
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 188

Cellos are available!!

iMac 21.5, i7 4770S, 3,1 Ghz, 16 GB RAM
Komplete Kontrol S-88, Focusrite Clarett 4Pre
Logic Pro X, Finale 26
Posted on Fri, Jun 22 2018 10:47
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 270

 

Something with Synchron player is pretty nice. The concept is brilliant, the design is ok. But from a musical performance point of view I have to admit complaints are more than justified.

The idea of managing slurs articulations and dynamics with overlappings, XF and scripts (then with manipulation of a limited set of samples) was obviously dictated by the need of saving resources to be dedicated to multi MIC management, and was also designed to link effects to different type of sustain (e.g. slur to different vibratos, marcatos, fp etc.). Ok but...

Now the problem is that a WET set of samples, will open problems with release and reverb levels, and despite the hard work of developers, still the player is doing very unpleasent things, I'm starting to doubt will ever be possible to fix:

- the "legato blur" controller is increasing the "wet" feeling to unacceptable level, with strange resonances and long tails. In my very humble opinion it's not adding realism to the legato, the opposite it makes it sound more like a scripted legato.

- the legato-slur some people is criticizing so much, is in my opinion sounding a bit weird because now the slurs are stand alone samples linking with scripts to pretty alien sustains samples, and probably this is the source of some unnatural effect. It was definitely "reinvented". Maybe not yet in a superior or better way, unfortunately.

- the algorithmic reverb should be turned off to get the "real" sound, but if you do it, the "naked" connections of different samples are exposed and not always sounding well enough... (that's what VSL calls "sweetening" the Synchron Stage sound...)

- the Cellos have some pretty strange resonances (sound like open strings ringing forever despite note-off, but in theory, with reverb turned off and release samples to zero, they should disappear... instead they sound even more evident and kind of synth wave... not sure what they are and where they come from, but they are definitely disturbing).

Of course I still hope the VSL software developers (I consider them simply the best team in the industry, and pieces of software like MIR and VE are proving it) will improve the product step by step and maybe future versions will be really better. Now the product in my very humble opinion doesn't match all the promises, and of course doesn't match expectation of several faithful users. Crossing fingers and looking forward to next bug fixes...

Posted on Fri, Jun 22 2018 11:06
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Yes the concept of "dimensions of articulations" is ingenius. (And of course it is even more ingenoius, that they even managed to reealise it as it was suggested)

To improve all possible details of its usage is always a process which not at least depend on the users and their demands.

However the concept is still groundbreaking and pushes VSL far above all existing solutions how to musical reasonable organize the wealth of dedicated Samplelibraries.

We cant estimate high enough that they made this couragous step and yes I think we all can and will help them to imrpove their Products with all our expirience of its usage.

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://composer.resample.../sampled-orchestras.html
Comparison of 14 different Versions of Beethovens brilliant Prometheus Overture op.43 in with different Orchestral Samplesets (including 4 Versions with Spitfire Libraries and among others several Versions witth Synchron or VI-Libraries)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
Posted on Fri, Jun 22 2018 15:29
by Piotr Katzpersky
Joined on Mon, May 11 2015, Polska, Posts 30

I like the player. It lacks keyboard support though and everything has to be clicked by mouse to apply, but I like it. There is very smart idea behind it and building presets feels fresh and deep.

But what I don't like is that VSL is dialing legato blur at 30 and adds algo reverb by default (reverb sounds very nice though). So by default we don't hear natural acoustics of stage in ambient library. Is there something wrong with this stage? Or you think that users won't appreciate raw, natural sound of Synchrons?

Second, The Blur - overlaping transition with unnatural release from previous note is not true legato. It is a trick which could work for librararies without true legato. Why do you guys want us to blur the transitions that were played by great musicians and recorded by master engineers? Why you don't want us to hear true legato and instead of that you promote "smeared release"?

And the last - slur. I would like to hear how to use it. Why the slur seems to be random? I created patch that is  crossfading normal legato with slured and I kinda like it, but I never know where the slur will occur. Big interval? Small interval? Random interval? ;)

In the end player is huge step forward, made this library workable. But "legato" based on cheap trick which is easy to spot (huge build-up of fake release) is just bad magic.

Tbh I don't expect answers, although I truly would like to hear some. Because signs that I see are basically saying that you are not that proud of your kid, but you just don't want to say that out loud.

Posted on Fri, Jun 22 2018 17:12
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 270

Originally Posted by: Piotr Katzpersky Go to Quoted Post

I like the player. ...

In the end player is huge step forward, made this library workable. But "legato" based on cheap trick which is easy to spot (huge build-up of fake release) is just bad magic.

Tbh I don't expect answers, although I truly would like to hear some. Because signs that I see are basically saying that you are not that proud of your kid, but you just don't want to say that out loud.

Hi Piotr, I almost quoted your whole post... just few hours before you posted it :) Anyway I'm happy others feel the same and have the same technical understanding, it increases the probability and hope that VSL will work on the listed points.

Posted on Fri, Jun 22 2018 17:37
by Piotr Katzpersky
Joined on Mon, May 11 2015, Polska, Posts 30

Originally Posted by: fatis12_24918 Go to Quoted Post

Hi Piotr, I almost quoted your whole post... just few hours before you posted it :) Anyway I'm happy others feel the same and have the same technical understanding, it increases the probability and hope that VSL will work on the listed points.

Haha, yes, I'm aware of that, I red your post and I was like: should I write what I wanted to write or just say "I agree 100%"? But I decided that this forum needs another long post about thing that bugs (probably not only) us ;)

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