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SOON: VE Pro 7 NOW: Epic Orchestra 2.0
Last post Mon, Mar 25 2019 by musicman691, 333 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Mar 17 2019 11:12
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 87

Originally Posted by: McArnes Go to Quoted Post
Thanks Paul, don’t let a couple of people stop your inspiration and hard work.
? Paul's a company rep - nothing more, nothing less. He does what he's told to do.

Jack
PT11.3.2 on OSX 10.12.6
DP9.02 on OSX 10.12.6
Posted on Sun, Mar 17 2019 14:15
by olenga
Joined on Tue, Apr 04 2017, Posts 4
This has to be the worst announcement of a new product I ever seen.
VSL has lost me.
Posted on Mon, Mar 18 2019 18:17
by umarekawaru
Joined on Fri, Dec 28 2012, Posts 77

Hi Paul,

As other’s stated, I don’t know if I’ll use Epic Orchestra.

I don’t like paying for unknowns no matter how much I like your company or save money on a discount.  But I might do it because the chances of me using VEP 7 are high.  

For most people,  50 Euro discount isn't worth the unknown, maybe 100 off the 195 list price

But, what really angered me was: I wasted two hours scouring through the forum to find feature information, as many others did.

Why did VSL do such an early pre-release without information? Is VSL itching for income? If so, you guys should manage your cash reserves and operating expenses better.

Do you realize this method of release wasted a lot of man-hours for your customers and for yourself, Paul?  Just look at this thread alone, 17 pages and its still growing!

There’s inevitably a subset of features nearly ready for release. There’s also a minimal subset of features your company has decided to wait for testing to release. That is, you’ve decided that certain features are worth it even if you have to delay the release to get them out.

It is illogical to hide that subset of features from the public who obviously need to know something, anything, to be able to make a decision to pay.

Please provide the feature subset info on the product page and say: “And the rest has to be a surprise for now. :)” 

That would slow the flow of forum complaints and frustration ( mine included ).

Apart from that, keep up the great work everyone!

Regards to you Paul and to the VSL team,

Alex

Logic 10.4.4 - Mac Pro 2010 12 Core 3.46 GHz - 48 GB RAM - Mac OS 10.12.6 - VSL: almost everything
Posted on Mon, Mar 18 2019 19:41
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 204

Originally Posted by: umarekawaru Go to Quoted Post

But, what really angered me was: I wasted two hours scouring through the forum to find feature information, as many others did.

But why? There is a topic with big title "NEW FEATURES" and the last point on the list is "Many more features! Stay tuned for more information coming soon!"

Why do you search the USER-forum for information instead reading the product page?
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Software/Vienna_Ensemble_Pro#!Product_Info

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Posted on Mon, Mar 18 2019 21:49
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 87

Originally Posted by: bbelius Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: umarekawaru Go to Quoted Post

But, what really angered me was: I wasted two hours scouring through the forum to find feature information, as many others did.

But why? There is a topic with big title "NEW FEATURES" and the last point on the list is "Many more features! Stay tuned for more information coming soon!"

Why do you search the USER-forum for information instead reading the product page?
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Software/Vienna_Ensemble_Pro#!Product_Info

Because the product page is totally useless. Product pages don't always have all the info about something.

Jack
PT11.3.2 on OSX 10.12.6
DP9.02 on OSX 10.12.6
Posted on Tue, Mar 19 2019 18:08
by wholinwolf
Joined on Sun, Nov 10 2013, Posts 10

This constant moaning is really getting on my nerves. Same behaviour I also see on other products in other forums. I get the feeling some people invest more time in complaining than in just using their software and getting projects done. My theory is, 99% are using it and try to make money with it. And the 1% complaining just take over a topic by quantity. 

Posted on Tue, Mar 19 2019 19:58
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires. MA USA, Posts 868

+1

Finale 25, Sibelius 2018, Notion 6, Overture 5, Cubase 9.5
Win10 x64, 32GB RAM; Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
Kontakt, Bunch of VSL, VIP, VEP, EWQL Orch, Choir and Pianos
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Posted on Tue, Mar 19 2019 20:05
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, San Antonio, TX, Posts 302

Just now saw this. Thanks for the update, Paul. Good to read that there is still some optimism for a release in weeks instead of months.

 

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hello everybody, 

First of all: Thanks for all your input and postings here. We are happy to see that so many of you feel so passionately about this software, and we are doing our very best to justify your support and meet your expectations. 

You probably know that Vienna Ensemble Pro development is always a very involved process, as we not only have to deal with a myriad of plug-ins and their “specialities” but also with specific solutions for the various DAWs out there. What looks the same from the outside can be VERY different from a technical perspective and calls for a dedicated solutions (which again needs to LOOK the same from the user’s perspective). 

To use my favorite euphemism I learned from our developers: It can be tricky :-)

STATUS QUO: 
We are now in the beta stage for VE PRO 7, to make sure that we have not missed any perspective and also to incorporate input and ideas from our beta team, with real-world situations, stress-tests and compatibility tests, and I am confident that we are on a great path to have VE Pro 7 ready for you within the next weeks.

I am not posting a release date but we are aiming at a release in the last week of march, and we will also post updates of confirmed features as we get further ahead in beta-testing. 

 

On a personal note: What worries me most in this thread is that there are so many “in-fights” about who is right on a topic you have little to no information about. That lack of information is our fault, as we want to publish this information only when it’s 100% confirmed.  I’m just saying that it’s not a pleasure to watch and we are sorry about all the anger this has caused. 

I know that you will get along perfectly fine in the real world, as you are clearly all passionate musicians. 

In this spirit: We are all looking forward to the time when we can finally announce more features, and we hope that Epic Orchestra 2.0 helps to bridge the time until we get there. 

All the best from Vienna, 
Paul and the VSL Team

VSL Std Edition Core WW, Brass, Percussion
VSL Spec Editions Complete
VE Pro, VI Pro, MIR Pro
Windows 10
Cubase, Dorico
Posted on Wed, Mar 20 2019 16:33
by Ashermusic
Joined on Fri, Jan 02 2009, Posts 532

Personally,  as Logic Pro X user I don't give a large rodent's hiney about AU 3. ArtZ ID has renedered it totally unnecessary for my uses.

Composer, Logic Pro Certified Trainer, author of "Going Pro With Logic Pro 9" & "Scoring WIth Logic Pro"
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3.4 i7 Quad Core iMac, 32 GB RAM.,
OS X 10.13
Posted on Mon, Mar 25 2019 15:30
by Musicmould
Joined on Fri, Nov 23 2018, Posts 1

I´m currently using VEP v6 with my studio computer and a server that holds my plugins/soundbanks.

I received 3 licenses with v6. Will I now have to buy 2 v7 licensers just to use it with my ordinary setup?

Posted on Mon, Mar 25 2019 16:49
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 87

Originally Posted by: Musicmould Go to Quoted Post

I´m currently using VEP v6 with my studio computer and a server that holds my plugins/soundbanks.

I received 3 licenses with v6. Will I now have to buy 2 v7 licensers just to use it with my ordinary setup?

That depends on your exact use. If you only run server instances on the slave computer then you only need 1 license. If you also run server instances on the main computer then you'll need a second license. You only need a license on the computer that runs server instances.

Jack
PT11.3.2 on OSX 10.12.6
DP9.02 on OSX 10.12.6
Posted on Mon, Mar 25 2019 17:10
by michael diemer
Joined on Tue, Apr 30 2013, Maine, USA, Posts 90

Originally Posted by: Ashermusic Go to Quoted Post

Personally,  as Logic Pro X user I don't give a large rodent's hiney about AU 3. ArtZ ID has renedered it totally unnecessary for my uses.

Rats are just medium sized. For a truly large rodent, you want the Capybara:

https://capybarafacts.com/

michael diemer
Posted on Mon, Mar 25 2019 17:28
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 87

Originally Posted by: michael diemer Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Ashermusic Go to Quoted Post

Personally,  as Logic Pro X user I don't give a large rodent's hiney about AU 3. ArtZ ID has renedered it totally unnecessary for my uses.

Rats are just medium sized. For a truly large rodent, you want the Capybara:

https://capybarafacts.com/

Didn't know they were considered rodents. And I thought the rats in NYC were big - ever see the video with them carrying pizza slices around?

 

edit for additional:

Back on topic - well it's the last week in March and Paul seemed to inimate that we'd see VEPro 7 this week. Personally I think it ain't gonna happen this week/month but late April. Would LOVE to be proven wrong.

Jack
PT11.3.2 on OSX 10.12.6
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