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Posted on Sat, Mar 16 2019 16:32
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, San Antonio, TX, Posts 304

The VE Pro 7 pre-order announcement came out nearly a month ago. Details were not available at that time but were said to be forthcoming.

I did not wade into the Synchron Strings release, but I did observe the disappointment of those who preordered when it took about six months after that for the Synchron Player to be released (according to my reconstruction based on YouTube video releases). I really hope the VE Pro 7 release does not play out like that.

To be sure, VSL does not want to release information about VEP7 features that are not yet fully and successfully working. I just hope substantial information and release is at most a few weeks away instead of months.

I do not expect that I will feel burned by this information-less pre-order. My history with VSL suggests I will not be disappointed with the product once I get my hands on it. But I hope I'm not still relying on a general confidence a month from now.

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Posted on Tue, Mar 19 2019 01:23
by GTBannah
Joined on Sat, May 01 2004, Guyana/Barbados, Posts 194

-1.

Derrkins

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Posted on Tue, Mar 19 2019 15:08
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, San Antonio, TX, Posts 304

Originally Posted by: GTBannah Go to Quoted Post

-1.

No problem here with disagreement. Still, I'm curious. What exactly in my post do you disagree with?

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Posted on Tue, Mar 19 2019 15:45
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 456
Originally Posted by: DaddyO Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GTBannah Go to Quoted Post

-1.

No problem here with disagreement. Still, I'm curious. What exactly in my post do you disagree with?


Weird.

He probably meant the (VSL-)communication.

+1 from my side
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Posted on Tue, Mar 19 2019 16:37
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 112

Originally Posted by: DaddyO Go to Quoted Post

The VE Pro 7 pre-order announcement came out nearly a month ago. Details were not available at that time but were said to be forthcoming.

I did not wade into the Synchron Strings release, but I did observe the disappointment of those who preordered when it took about six months after that for the Synchron Player to be released (according to my reconstruction based on YouTube video releases). I really hope the VE Pro 7 release does not play out like that.

To be sure, VSL does not want to release information about VEP7 features that are not yet fully and successfully working. I just hope substantial information and release is at most a few weeks away instead of months.

I do not expect that I will feel burned by this information-less pre-order. My history with VSL suggests I will not be disappointed with the product once I get my hands on it. But I hope I'm not still relying on a general confidence a month from now.

Agreed on everything you wrote. Have you purchased the upgrade yet?

I sympathize with the 6 month wait for the Syncron Player. Got one even worse. Back a few years East West announced a majpr update for their then flagship orchestral library. People could pre-order at a frozen price and be assured of being the first to get it. This frozen price was not a discount as such because they said the price might well go up upon release. We were also told it would only be a couple of months. Turned out it was more like 18 months AND they charged our credit cards at time of order. So there is precedent for screwing over customers. Which is why I haven't yet ordered the upgrade (VEPro 6 owner).

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Posted on Tue, Mar 19 2019 18:12
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, San Antonio, TX, Posts 304

Purchased in the initial days of the pre-order.

For me VEP 6 was a tremendous improvement over version 5. The introduction of tabbed instances was alone worth it.

But if I had it to do over again, I would at least wait until more information was available, not because I have a tremendous fear of being burned but because it is simply prudent. I have every reason to think that I would still purchase it then. But I realize now that pre-ordering with little in the way of information only encourages vendors to more of the same behavior. 

Those who say I wasn't forced to pre-order are entirely correct. VSL announced the pre-order with an information vacuum. Their reputation allowed them to do so. Their reputation with me is intact unless and until something happens that would change my mind. I do not expect that to be the case in this instance, at least with regard to the product itself.

But a delay of months in getting the product would make me never want to do again what I did with this pre-order.

Oh, and I should add, VSL is not East West. I'm sure you would agree. 

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Posted on Tue, Mar 19 2019 20:09
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, San Antonio, TX, Posts 304

Was just informed about a post by Paul on March 15th in the main VEP7 thread that updates everyone on the status of work on VEP7. It is good to see that there is some optimism for a release in weeks rather than months.

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Posted on Wed, Mar 20 2019 03:22
by GTBannah
Joined on Sat, May 01 2004, Guyana/Barbados, Posts 194

Originally Posted by: DaddyO Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: GTBannah Go to Quoted Post

-1.

No problem here with disagreement. Still, I'm curious. What exactly in my post do you disagree with?

Sorry, man! It was dark, and I missed! 

This is what i meant:- +1.  

Derrkins

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Posted on Wed, Mar 20 2019 03:34
by GTBannah
Joined on Sat, May 01 2004, Guyana/Barbados, Posts 194

Originally Posted by: DaddyO Go to Quoted Post

Was just informed about a post by Paul on March 15th in the main VEP7 thread that updates everyone on the status of work on VEP7. It is good to see that there is some optimism for a release in weeks rather than months.

When you find it, could you share the link with us?

Derrkins

PT 2018; Nuendo 7.1; Studio One 3; former Sonar and Sequoia user .... GENELEC 1031A, AVANTONE MIX CUBES (Active); Sibelius 7.0; Dorico; Mac Mini 2.6 GHz Core i7, OS X 10.12.2 Sierra; 16GB RAM; 480 GB System SSD; 1 TB 7200 rpm Audio; 3 TB samples; Roland A-800 Pro controller; GOOD BYE PEE SEA!!

Posted on Wed, Mar 20 2019 12:22
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 112

Originally Posted by: DaddyO Go to Quoted Post

Purchased in the initial days of the pre-order.

For me VEP 6 was a tremendous improvement over version 5. The introduction of tabbed instances was alone worth it.

But if I had it to do over again, I would at least wait until more information was available, not because I have a tremendous fear of being burned but because it is simply prudent. I have every reason to think that I would still purchase it then. But I realize now that pre-ordering with little in the way of information only encourages vendors to more of the same behavior. 

Those who say I wasn't forced to pre-order are entirely correct. VSL announced the pre-order with an information vacuum. Their reputation allowed them to do so. Their reputation with me is intact unless and until something happens that would change my mind. I do not expect that to be the case in this instance, at least with regard to the product itself.

But a delay of months in getting the product would make me never want to do again what I did with this pre-order.

Oh, and I should add, VSL is not East West. I'm sure you would agree. 

True on your last statement. I was just pointing out that there is precedent for major delays in delivering s/w other than what happened with the Syncron Player. And screwing over customers. That's not to say it won't happen here. Companies change how they work and reputations don't always stay intact.

Jack
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Posted on Wed, Mar 20 2019 14:17
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, San Antonio, TX, Posts 304

Originally Posted by: GTBannah Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: DaddyO Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: GTBannah Go to Quoted Post

-1.

No problem here with disagreement. Still, I'm curious. What exactly in my post do you disagree with?

Sorry, man! It was dark, and I missed! 

This is what i meant:- +1.  

Got it. 

Happens to the best of us!

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Posted on Wed, Mar 20 2019 14:23
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, San Antonio, TX, Posts 304

Originally Posted by: GTBannah Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: DaddyO Go to Quoted Post

Was just informed about a post by Paul on March 15th in the main VEP7 thread that updates everyone on the status of work on VEP7. It is good to see that there is some optimism for a release in weeks rather than months.

When you find it, could you share the link with us?

It's a post on the 16th page of this thread:

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t50941p16-SOON--VE-Pro-7----NOW--Epic-Orchestra-2-0#post281528

I can't figure out how to link to one particular post, only the first on the page. Just scroll down to Paul's post dated March 15th.

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Posted on Wed, Mar 20 2019 17:32
by GTBannah
Joined on Sat, May 01 2004, Guyana/Barbados, Posts 194
Originally Posted by: DaddyO Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GTBannah Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: DaddyO Go to Quoted Post

Was just informed about a post by Paul on March 15th in the main VEP7 thread that updates everyone on the status of work on VEP7. It is good to see that there is some optimism for a release in weeks rather than months.

When you find it, could you share the link with us?

It's a post on the 16th page of this thread:
https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t50941p16-SOON--VE-Pro-7----NOW--Epic-Orchestra-2-0#post281528
I can't figure out how to link to one particular post, only the first on the page. Just scroll down to Paul's post dated March 15th.


Thanx, for the share! I’m not any wiser, but the suspense might be good for the adrenals. :)

Derrkins

PT 2018; Nuendo 7.1; Studio One 3; former Sonar and Sequoia user .... GENELEC 1031A, AVANTONE MIX CUBES (Active); Sibelius 7.0; Dorico; Mac Mini 2.6 GHz Core i7, OS X 10.12.2 Sierra; 16GB RAM; 480 GB System SSD; 1 TB 7200 rpm Audio; 3 TB samples; Roland A-800 Pro controller; GOOD BYE PEE SEA!!

Posted on Thu, Mar 21 2019 09:55
by andyjh
Joined on Wed, Dec 15 2010, Posts 600

The trouble with creating such pre - release excitment, is that when it does come, it can only be an anti climax !

as the expectation will grow more than what it could ever be.

The only thing it could do, is to include effects - maybe even MIR,  and that would be good for many, but as a Vienna Effects and MIR owner,  that isn't going to do much for me, which is why I didn''t pre-order.

Posted on Thu, Mar 21 2019 10:35
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 158

As someone who purchased VEP 6 near the middle of December, its the only thing I feel a bit burned on, having to pay for an upgrade so soon after haivng just purchsed 6, especially since I only need 1 license.

I do not have MIR or Vienna Suite, so in my view, some sort of "light" version of these in Ensemble would be a great addition, especially since many other soundfonts have some form of many of the basic functionality that Vienna Suite has, provided free with the purchase of a soundont. I am a big fan of templates in particular for sketching ideas quickly, and as MIDI has just gotten out of hand in the past decade in the way of complexity, I would love to see templates built-in to Ensemble. There is no reason Ensemble cant detect what Vienna products you have a license for and create a template on the fly, and allow for modification of these default templates.

The choice to split Ensemble into single licenses and provide EO as a seperate purchase is the right decision, albeit, maybe a bit more expensive than it should be.

I am a bit puzzled as to the lack of details at this point. There must be some big feature that VEP7 is going to do, it seems bizarre to have an update for a few FX addons. Why not share one or two of the big things VEP7 is bringing to the table? While an exhaustive changelog will eventually be called for upon release, surely it cant hurt to spill the beans on one or two big features that are expected to work out of the box.

Posted on Thu, Mar 21 2019 11:03
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 112

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post

I am a bit puzzled as to the lack of details at this point. There must be some big feature that VEP7 is going to do, it seems bizarre to have an update for a few FX addons. Why not share one or two of the big things VEP7 is bringing to the table? While an exhaustive changelog will eventually be called for upon release, surely it cant hurt to spill the beans on one or two big features that are expected to work out of the box.

There's a good many of us that are puzzled as to why there's been no details. Little teaser from Paul and that's it. It would go a long way towards redeeming the goodwill Vienna squandered with this announcement if Vienna were to make some announcements on what's in version 7.

 

Let me indulge in some pure speculation here and say something: I wonder if the lack of details is due to maybe Vienna licensing some outside developer's product and they either can't get the license or the developer had Vienna sign an NDA? Here's another one - maybe they're running into problem with the minimum computer specs and have to bump them up in say operating systems to the next one up? Whatever the reason is I think it's not due to wanting to nail down everything working perfectly (although that is a must) but something else.

Jack
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Posted on Thu, Mar 21 2019 13:12
by Carl
Joined on Fri, Jan 07 2005, USA, Posts 108

If they just started beta testing around the 15th it's no wonder nothing's being discussed.

Posted on Thu, Mar 21 2019 13:40
by GTBannah
Joined on Sat, May 01 2004, Guyana/Barbados, Posts 194

They might be including some sequencer-type features.

Derrkins

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Posted on Thu, Mar 21 2019 15:22
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 112

Originally Posted by: GTBannah Go to Quoted Post

They might be including some sequencer-type features.

I hope not. Better to keep VEPro doing what it's been doing. What kind of sequencer-type features would you want anuyways that can't be done in one's daw?

Jack
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Posted on Thu, Mar 21 2019 15:24
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 112

Originally Posted by: Carl Go to Quoted Post

If they just started beta testing around the 15th it's no wonder nothing's being discussed.

That date was only when Paul posted here. If I read it right they'd been in beta test earlier than that.

Jack
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