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Posted on Thu, Dec 19 2019 12:19
by MangoD
Joined on Sat, Jan 05 2019, München, Posts 16

Hello,

the preset you posted works now. I would like to know about the EQ you applied to get rid of the hammer noise. The Steinway D is noticeably harsher than the CFX, I don't know if getting rid of the hammer noise helps with that but I kind of wanted to try it. 

Best,

Mango

Posted on Tue, Dec 31 2019 09:56
by Mark Schmieder
Joined on Mon, May 07 2007, Concord CA, Posts 207

I eleborated upon my earlier Ska-oriented preset this past week, to create one that works well on more classically-influenced projects that have arpeggios and/or ostinatos. It uses all of the close and mid mics, and none of the ambience mics, to retaiin an intimate setting.

Due to the heavy Philip Glass influence on the pieces that I thoroughly vetted this preset on, I am calling this one Glass Piano. It also uses the Full Library of the Bluethner.

As all five close mics are in use, this preset may not work well in a broad array of contexts, without sounding a bit phasey. There are probably edits that could take care of that, but in the context of the projects I am using it for at the moment, this attribute is advantageous.

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Posted on Tue, Dec 31 2019 09:59
by Mark Schmieder
Joined on Mon, May 07 2007, Concord CA, Posts 207

It's only been a few days since I bought and installed the new Boesendorfer Upright, but it was a perfect match for some of my island genre music, so I am calling it Dub Piano even though it ended up being used instead on stuff that is more Calypso inspired (albeit with Reggae and even Ska influences).

As with my other intimate-oriented presets, this one requires the Full Library as it pulls in some of those close and mid mics. It uses no ambience mics at all.

I suspect I may need a tiny bit of EQ on one or more mics, but in the current project use, there are no hump frequencies or other issues.

One thing to note about the new Upright library, is that even the mics that are further out, aren't (for the most part) ambience mics per se, due to the smaller room that was used for this sample set. And of course the close mics are fairly crowded, so this preset might sound somewhat phasey in certain contexts.

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Posted on Tue, Dec 31 2019 10:12
by Mark Schmieder
Joined on Mon, May 07 2007, Concord CA, Posts 207

I forgot that the earlier preset postings from the original library release topics didn't get moved here, so I'm going to re-post my first two now.

This one is for the D-274, and was initiated by some work on jazz projects but has since then been vetted in other contexts. The version I am attaching is a newer revision than what I first posted way back, as a result, but I think I updated it already in the other topic.

I think this one requires the Full Library, but can check later -- I'm too tired as it is several hours past mnidnight.

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Posted on Tue, Dec 31 2019 10:14
by Mark Schmieder
Joined on Mon, May 07 2007, Concord CA, Posts 207

The same caveats apply to this Rock Preset for the Yamaha CFX, as it probably uses mics from the Full Edition.

This one has not been as intensely vetted as the others, simply because I ended up switching piano models in all but one or two projects where I was using it, as I generally am not a fan of Yamaha pianos and now we have a wealth of choices that I feel work better in a broader array of styles. I may revisit this library later on though.

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Posted on Tue, Dec 31 2019 10:24
by Mark Schmieder
Joined on Mon, May 07 2007, Concord CA, Posts 207

I am reposting my Ska-oriented preset from May 2019, made for the Bluethner when it was brand new, as it was a bit too quiet compared to the others. Only two mics are used, but I raised them both by a hair, keeping the same balance though.

This is an intimate patch that moght require the Full Library (I'm too tired at this late hour to check), and was tweaked to work well in the context of the "bubble" used for reggae and ska music.

It also works well outside those genres, but my newer Glass Piano preset is perhaps a better starting point for a lot of other contexts outside the island genres.

For many years, I had been using various Yamaha grand pianos and uprights -- or even the hideous but commonly-associated-with-late-80's-reggae Korg M1 -- but I am finding that this Bluethner piano really opens up the sound more and helps the brass to shine better when present in the arrangement (common for ska, and sometimes for reggae as well).

By now, I have vetted this preset on far more than just up-tempo ska, including slower reggae, calypso, and even some pop songs that have a 60's influence such as early R&B.

I did retain, and mildly tweak, some EQ presets that came with one of the factory "intimate" settings. I always turn off the reverb though, as these are already pretty roomy libraries, even when using mostly (or exclusively) the close mics.

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Posted on Thu, Jan 16 2020 21:50
by MangoD
Joined on Sat, Jan 05 2019, München, Posts 16

Hey guys,

I want to see what you did with the new Bösendorfer upright. I like it's mellow tone, however I am not a fan of the lowest octaves (as expected with an upright). I would like to see a preset that manages to really balances the sound nicely :) looking forward to it :)

Posted on Thu, Jan 23 2020 10:48
by Snoopy10
Joined on Sun, Dec 22 2019, Stuttgart, Posts 17

I agree, but I am very disappointed with the Bösendorfer Upright so far.

Georgy
Posted on Fri, Jan 24 2020 15:29
by Rob57
Joined on Fri, Apr 18 2008, Brescia (IT), Posts 8

here's one I did with the Steinway, just the Condenser mic, very close and warm...

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Roberto
Posted on Fri, Jan 24 2020 17:20
by Snoopy10
Joined on Sun, Dec 22 2019, Stuttgart, Posts 17

but the bass is very uncomfortable in the ears. They are no longer clear and blur very much when you press the sustain pedal. I think. that's a bit too much. I'd turn the bass down a bit and take the room mix in with it.

Georgy
Posted on Fri, Jan 24 2020 17:37
by Rob57
Joined on Fri, Apr 18 2008, Brescia (IT), Posts 8

Originally Posted by: Snoopy10 Go to Quoted Post

but the bass is very uncomfortable in the ears. They are no longer clear and blur very much when you press the sustain pedal. I think. that's a bit too much. I'd turn the bass down a bit and take the room mix in with it.

maybe, but I was looking for a close and intimate tone, and I like it as it is... in my monitor headphones it doesn't sound overly bassy. The kind of sound you would get when sitting at the piano at midnight, that's the idea. On which kind of monitors are you listening, Georgy if I may ask?

Roberto
Posted on Fri, Jan 24 2020 20:37
by Snoopy10
Joined on Sun, Dec 22 2019, Stuttgart, Posts 17

Originally Posted by: Rob57 Go to Quoted Post

I use the spakers from my clp 585 Yamaha and 2 Edifier r2000db in the front of me. I have changed the settings a little bit. I personally find it more comfortable and still soft and warm. 

Originally Posted by: Snoopy10 Go to Quoted Post

but the bass is very uncomfortable in the ears. They are no longer clear and blur very much when you press the sustain pedal. I think. that's a bit too much. I'd turn the bass down a bit and take the room mix in with it.

maybe, but I was looking for a close and intimate tone, and I like it as it is... in my monitor headphones it doesn't sound overly bassy. The kind of sound you would get when sitting at the piano at midnight, that's the idea. On which kind of monitors are you listening, Georgy if I may ask?


 


 

 
 
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Georgy
Posted on Fri, Jan 24 2020 21:29
by Rob57
Joined on Fri, Apr 18 2008, Brescia (IT), Posts 8

if you can, I'd love to try your modified patch... when it asks if you want to upload a file, go on and it will present you with a button to load from your disk. You'll have to compress the file in order to be accepted...

EDIT: you were faster than me :) thank you, I'm going to bed now, tomorrow I'll try it

Roberto
Posted on Sat, Jan 25 2020 14:02
by Rob57
Joined on Fri, Apr 18 2008, Brescia (IT), Posts 8

very nice variation, thank you Georgy!

Roberto
Posted on Tue, Feb 04 2020 16:16
by otocinclus
Joined on Thu, May 23 2019, Posts 1

Hello,

Thank you for sharing your experience,

This patch (complet version), it's general purpose Steinway, can work for variété style and different sound system without hard requirement, any suggest welcome :-)

best

Pierre

Ps: v3

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Posted on Fri, Apr 10 2020 05:00
by deswind
Joined on Fri, Jan 19 2007, Posts 26

I am confused.  My VSL steinway is looking for an fxp file for a preset.  Where are there fxp files on this forum?
Thank you!!!

Posted on Fri, Apr 10 2020 06:14
by Keepitsimple
Joined on Tue, May 01 2018, Posts 7
In the zip files ATTACHMENTS OF ALMOST EVERY POST IN THIS THREAD.
Posted on Fri, Apr 10 2020 06:17
by deswind
Joined on Fri, Jan 19 2007, Posts 26

When I open an attachment I do not get a fxp file.  I get a vsynpreset file.  Are you finding an fxp file in an attachment on this thread?

Originally Posted by: Keepitsimple Go to Quoted Post
In the zip files ATTACHMENTS OF ALMOST EVERY POST IN THIS THREAD.

Posted on Fri, Apr 10 2020 06:44
by Keepitsimple
Joined on Tue, May 01 2018, Posts 7

Originally Posted by: deswind Go to Quoted Post

When I open an attachment I do not get a fxp file.  I get a vsynpreset file.  Are you finding an fxp file in an attachment on this thread?

Originally Posted by: Keepitsimple Go to Quoted Post
In the zip files ATTACHMENTS OF ALMOST EVERY POST IN THIS THREAD.

I misread your post and totally igonored the fact that you're looking for an fxp file. Why would you need an fxp file? Just place the vsynpreset file inside Documents/VSL/Vienna Synchron Pianos/Presets.

Posted on Fri, Apr 10 2020 07:03
by deswind
Joined on Fri, Jan 19 2007, Posts 26

Anyway - I figure it out along what you are saying.  The vsynpreset files in this thread have to be moved to a VSL preset folder in the computer before they will open up!  

BTW - when I save a preset on my computer from the save preset function, it does create an FXP file.  And they do load into it as well.  A little confusing, but I think I understand it all now!


Thank you,

AB

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