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Last post Wed, Sep 28 2022 by Dan Wool, 120 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Aug 30 2022 19:40
by Dan Wool
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, San Francisco, Posts 32

Originally Posted by: Guy CT Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Davka Go to Quoted Post
Any news? M1 support

It is taking a very long time... Digital Performer 11 (Universal) was released over a year ago but I can't use it because VEPro 7 MAS is unusable with Rosetta 2 and DP11. So I'm stuck with Digital Performer 10 under Rosetta 2, which only just works and crashes a few times each day.

I'm finding Rosetta 2 stable with stereo projects in DP. It's getting very old having to switch back and forth between native and Rosetta simply to accommodated projects with VEP, but it's working here. It's off-topic for this thread, but you might try posting on motunation.com re this, if you haven't already. I'm not optimistic VEP will become native anytime soon. 

Posted on Wed, Aug 31 2022 08:14
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 236

Originally Posted by: Dan Wool Go to Quoted Post

I'm not optimistic VEP will become native anytime soon.

Why? Both Paul and Ben said they were working on it. Since MIR Pro 3D is out and the transition to iLok is complete, the can fully focus on that.

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Posted on Wed, Aug 31 2022 18:15
by Dan Wool
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, San Francisco, Posts 32

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Dan Wool Go to Quoted Post

I'm not optimistic VEP will become native anytime soon.

Why? Both Paul and Ben said they were working on it. Since MIR Pro 3D is out and the transition to iLok is complete, the can fully focus on that.

Good point. Call it professional pessimism on my part. I couldn't guess how long a transition like this might take, but having those two items completed should speed things up. 

Posted on Thu, Sep 01 2022 06:42
by Michael Canavan
Joined on Sun, Jun 25 2017, Posts 18

Originally Posted by: Dan Wool Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Dan Wool Go to Quoted Post

I'm not optimistic VEP will become native anytime soon.

Why? Both Paul and Ben said they were working on it. Since MIR Pro 3D is out and the transition to iLok is complete, the can fully focus on that.

Good point. Call it professional pessimism on my part. I couldn't guess how long a transition like this might take, but having those two items completed should speed things up. 

Hopefully that's the truth. NI, Audio Ease and VSL are my biggest laggers, and NI is oddly stepping out in front with Kontakt and Guitar Rig both AS ready.  

Posted on Fri, Sep 02 2022 23:32
by glasswing
Joined on Fri, Feb 15 2013, Vancouver Island, Posts 24

Originally Posted by: Guy CT Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Davka Go to Quoted Post
Any news? M1 support

It is taking a very long time... Digital Performer 11 (Universal) was released over a year ago but I can't use it because VEPro 7 MAS is unusable with Rosetta 2 and DP11. So I'm stuck with Digital Performer 10 under Rosetta 2, which only just works and crashes a few times each day. 



Oh my!  I'd started a new thread figuring all of this would be figured out by now and that the answer would be easy.  The e-licenser version is working fine with Pro Tools Ultimate HD, Mac Studio Ultra / Monterey 5.1 - I'm just worried it will up and die on me at some point.  
Thanks

Posted on Sat, Sep 03 2022 22:58
by snattack
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2008, Piteå, Sweden, Posts 70

Hi Paul,

We really need some kind of ETA now. Personally, I use VEP in game production on a daily basis, and spent years refining my template, balancing, relying on VEP. I've been a VSL user since 2008, so been around here for quite a long time, also educating university students to use VEP, among other things.

My old computer is getting less and less reliable, so I bought a maxed out Mac Studio now, and still the processing overhead by using Rosetta in Cubendo is simply too high for any serious work to be done. Doesn't really matter if VEP works well, it's the other CPU demanding plugins that are forced to run Rosetta that will be bottlenecks.

If VEP is not made compatible within a reasonable time frame (months, not years, it's been almost 2 years since Silicon was first released), I'd have to redo my entire template internally in Nuendo, and after that I will never ever go back to VEP, or recommend any of my university film scoring students using VEP for that matter.

Please, give us something.

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

It's high on our list, but I can't give you an ETA - it usually only causes disappointment when things don't go as planned. 

But rest assured that we're on it!

Best, 
Paul

Posted on Mon, Sep 05 2022 02:56
by Davka
Joined on Fri, Aug 10 2018, Mongolia, Posts 9

Yep... We really need ETA now.

G.Davaakhuu
Posted on Thu, Sep 08 2022 13:29
by FredySolstice
Joined on Mon, Feb 24 2014, Norwich, Posts 2
I am inclined to agree.

2 years is patient. The amount of other libraries being released by your company, you clearly are paying the people to do that… can you not spend the resources on coders to finish this transition? The problem is that now your hold up is not just effecting your products, which if were just your products being run then you would swallow the extra overhead with rosetta as a “that sucks, but it is what it is”… but it isn’t just yours, it’s now an overhead which is forced onto any and all other software because you can’t run both rosetta and native at the same time.

2 years is a long time VSL. Genuinely. You are in a tiny tiny minority of music software developers and developers in general to have NOT upgraded, or not even delivered a beta yet?

I am, like so many others getting to the point where I can’t put off upgrading any more. True, music is one of the least taxing affairs amongst the creative workspace… but a lot of people don’t have the luxury of ONLY doing music, forcing upgrades in order to stay current with other software, or as hardware fails not wanting to spend a lot of money on completely outdated mac hardware that has less support life and is nowhere near as good bang for buck or investment. I myself have put off upgrading my hardware now since 2017! Originally planning for 2020, then postponing again until software moves over… You are the last on the list, by a good margin. My computer getting old, and I will have to upgrade soon, and to be honest the rosetta 2 tax on your software is MORE than the tax of not running your software and just loading each instance into logic. Whilst I would be unable to run a slave computer… the Apple silicon is so good that I might not need it. At that point, I would not bother with Vsl. Instead of my original plan, to grow my software with you and start transitioning to more of your libraries over East West and others.

People are getting put into a position now that they will be forced to choose between abandoning your software in order to stay with Apple, and as time goes on, that number will not get smaller, only bigger.

2 years is rather a long time for nothing more than a “we are working on it”.
Posted on Thu, Sep 08 2022 14:28
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13478

Hi everybody, 

We understand your position, and those last 2 years were very intense for everybody, in many ways. 

Here's the catch with ETAs in software development: High probability of disappointment for both users and developers. We have been there, and it's not a good place. 
So we decided to announce our products or essential updates only when they are ready and tested, good to go to make your world a better place.

I can tell you that it's looking good at this point, but I still can't give you an ETA.

I will post and news in this thread first!

Thanks for your understanding!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Sep 13 2022 02:19
by Sergievsky
Joined on Sat, Oct 08 2011, Posts 4

Way to stick to your guns Paul  Its probably the correct reply, even though we want to strangle you for it  I'm not in the AS boat yet even though I'm about to hop on, so I'm not as frustrated as many here...yet. I assume quite a few might need to move on or change their working ways, but I guess that's something VSL is willing to deal with. Best of luck and really hope things move smoothly, and quickly!

Posted on Mon, Sep 19 2022 08:08
by ManoRouss
Joined on Sat, Mar 26 2016, Posts 1

I have complete two commercial projects while swimming in the sea of VEP bugs, crashes note hangs and useless waste of processing power because of rosetta simulation. I just can't believe how long it's taking VSL to make this native silicon move. Very frustrated with no end in sight! 

VEP and MIR PRO are the only two softwares in my HUGE template that still do not run natively.. 

Manok
Posted on Mon, Sep 19 2022 18:59
by ariacat
Joined on Sat, May 31 2003, Posts 22

I'm about done with VSL. Mac users couldn't care less about new products like MIR Pro 3D when you can't run VEP natively on M1. Whoever is setting the priorities at VSL doesn't have a clue about their users. In the future, a little customer research would go a long way. 

Posted on Tue, Sep 20 2022 19:02
by Adia
Joined on Sat, Feb 06 2016, Posts 138

Where can we run natively AU3 plugins without this Rosetta? Is it a joke this company? Your libraries are VERY expensive and I cannot still use Logic in non Rosetta mode. What is going on with you guys???? We users should write more of it that the situation is for us uncomfortable.

Posted on Wed, Sep 21 2022 21:23
by loufeb
Joined on Wed, Oct 13 2010, Posts 1

I'd like to add my voice to the discussion here. At this point, having migrated successfully to a Mac Studio, Vienna Ensemble Pro stands out as the only software in my studio not yet ported over to silicon, or at least (and to be fair), the only critical piece. My sincere hope is that VSL will soon release a version capable of running natively on the M1, and I mean within days or weeks. Frankly, I'm starting to consider other options, and as at least one other poster has pointed out, once another solution is adopted, there may be no going back to VSL. I've always held Vienna Ensemble Pro in high regard, it is an elegant solution for professional composers. But VSL's sluggish response to the inevitable is disheartening.

Posted on Fri, Sep 23 2022 00:42
by Davka
Joined on Fri, Aug 10 2018, Mongolia, Posts 9

My 10 hour big project on Cubase 12 just broke today! when i use VEP7 It happens usually. I am using Rosetta Cubase 12 on M1 Pro Macbook  with four 128gb RAM Windows PC as Slave via VEP.  So dissapointed. We really need m1 & VST3 support on VEP

G.Davaakhuu
Posted on Sat, Sep 24 2022 16:51
by Fredco1
Joined on Thu, Feb 16 2012, Posts 2

Posted on Mon, Sep 26 2022 15:32
by dmansfield
Joined on Tue, Sep 21 2004, New Jersey, Posts 15

I'm limping along with my old Mac Pros waiting for this update, but clearly VSL has hit a wall somewhere with the M1 port, maybe multiple walls. I'm finishing up a score in the next few weeks but can not limp along with my bunch of old cheesegraters any more, I have to make the switch before the next serious project comes in. Does anyone have a workaround (compatible with DP 11)? A substitute for VEPro that can run native?

Posted on Mon, Sep 26 2022 19:45
by rockdude9k
Joined on Fri, Oct 05 2012, Posts 3

I haven't used it in a long time, but Bidule by Plogue might work for you.  At the very least it's worth checking out.

Also @VSL as an alternative to silence, check out what NI did.

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/30577/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=Community%20NL%20en%20%7C%20community%20members%20%7C%2025/09/22&utm_id=42b64c1f-5b78-43be-8c1b-35d8a39c9bcc#Comment_30577

 

They posted an estimated timeline and sent everyone an email about it.  Just saying, some companies choose to communicate.

Posted on Wed, Sep 28 2022 19:10
by rockdude9k
Joined on Fri, Oct 05 2012, Posts 3

PS: for what its worth, I've been running VEP through Rosetta in Cubase on a Mac Studio M1 Max since June and it's been mostly stable as long as I don't go below 512 buffer size.  If I go below that VEP starts to crash and act up.  I'm very much looking forward to a native version so I can drop my buffer size, but otherwise it's been very stable.

Posted on Wed, Sep 28 2022 19:59
by Dan Wool
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, San Francisco, Posts 32

Originally Posted by: rockdude9k Go to Quoted Post

PS: for what its worth, I've been running VEP through Rosetta in Cubase on a Mac Studio M1 Max since June and it's been mostly stable as long as I don't go below 512 buffer size.  If I go below that VEP starts to crash and act up.  I'm very much looking forward to a native version so I can drop my buffer size, but otherwise it's been very stable

Ditto here with DP11. Stable with Rosetta. But it is getting old staying at 512, as is a lot of other aspects of running DP in Rosetta....for better or worse I've actually grown used to playing with a 512 buffer over the years. 

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